POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

Prognostications said:
And your opinion on TOM COOPER'S ANALYSIS

You can Google it if you have not read it
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Ive read it and while some parts are accurate - most of Tom analysis are also biased historically towards India and accepting indian claims tacitly while being implicitly or in many cases explicitly critical of Pakistani ones.

One cannot dismiss his analysis but its difficult to accept analysis when its being done purely from a “i have no sources on the groundl perspective.

Eventually, it comes down to what you can prove.

Tom cannot prove his claims other than providing India’s accounts.
 
Oscar said:
Ive read it and while some parts are accurate - most of Tom analysis are also biased historically towards India and accepting indian claims tacitly while being implicitly or in many cases explicitly critical of Pakistani ones.

One cannot dismiss his analysis but its difficult to accept analysis when its being done purely from a “i have no sources on the groundl perspective.

Eventually, it comes down to what you can prove.

Tom cannot prove his claims other than providing India’s accounts.
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We must accept that there is plenty of space for a Conflict below the Nuclear Threshold

We can expand the Envelope even further

Indians are quite disappointed with the Ceasefire
 
Oscar said:
Infact - MOST if not ALL of his work is clearly ideologically aligned with Indian foreign policy objectives, especially regarding Pakistan.
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All one really needs to see is the statement of Col. Sofia Qureshi's press conference where just after Pakistan's response strike, India officially came out with the acceptance of the fact that Pakistan was in fact able to breach their AD and land some strikes, as well as the call for "No war" --

Thats the biggest giveaway as to who wanted a ceasefire, remember these aren't just words that they come out and use, their word has the backing of their entire political and military apparatus. Look through this lens and the affirmation by various international media that it was indeed India that wanted mediation, as well as the story regarding India contacting multiple countries -- and this all makes sense.

Ofcorse post conflict/crisis, one would want face saving, so ofcorse assets that are sympathetic towards your cause would be used, remember a similar thing was tried with Dr. Chrisitne Fair in 2019, inviting her to an event with the IAF top brass where the whole thing was in regards to suck up to the IAF, make stories in regards to how well it did .. and Christine Fair instead of "going with the flow" decided to speak the truth ..

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Oscar said:
Let’s go into his history - and the style of his opinions - before we consider this “unbiased”

@RescueRanger

He is widely recognized for his strong critiques of Pakistan’s policies, particularly concerning terrorism and regional security. His public statements and writings consistently portray Pakistan as a primary instigator of conflict in South Asia, often urging the United States to designate Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism .

So - I take his words with a bucketload of salt
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No surprises - He is a zionist
 
Can we discuss, what principal weapons used to Attack PAF bases.

what i am able to gather Indians relied on GLCM Brahmos, Rafale Launched SCALP

what other munitions used?
 
Prognostications said:
John Spencer ; US expert shares his views

www.businesstoday.in

'Restraint is not weakness': US warfare expert lauds India's response to Pakistan, says critics misunderstood sound strategy - BusinessToday

Warfare expert, John Spencer, dissected India’s approach, highlighting how the operation successfully redefined red lines, showcased military credibility and asserted sovereign strategic independence
www.businesstoday.in www.businesstoday.in
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Seems to be echoing wider alignment on India-US issues. Not to mention written for an Indian platform.

This is NOT an objective article - if you don’t like opinion - ask AI - ANY model.

Article:
India has not declared Operation Sindoor completely over. What exists now is a sensitive halt in operations—some may call it a ceasefire, but military leaders have deliberately avoided that word. From a warfighting perspective, this is not merely a pause; it is a strategic hold following a rare and unambiguous military victory.
After just four days of calibrated military action, it is objectively conclusive: India achieved a massive victory. Operation Sindoor met and exceeded its strategic aims—destroying terrorist infrastructure, demonstrating military superiority, restoring deterrence, and unveiling a new national security doctrine. This was not symbolic force. It was decisive power, clearly applied.
India was attacked. On April 22, 2025, 26 Indian civilians, mostly Hindu tourists, were massacred in Pahalgam, Jammu & Kashmir. The Resistance Front (TRF), an offshoot of the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), claimed responsibility. As has been the case for decades, the group is backed by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
But unlike previous attacks, this time India didn’t wait. It didn’t appeal for international mediation or issue a diplomatic demarche. It launched warplanes.
On May 7, India initiated Operation Sindoor, a swift and precisely calibrated military campaign. The Indian Air Force struck nine terrorist infrastructure targets inside Pakistan, including headquarters and operational hubs for Jaish-e-Mohammed and Lashkar-e-Taiba. The message was clear: terror attacks launched from Pakistani soil will now be treated as acts of war.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi made the new doctrine unmistakable: "India will not tolerate any nuclear blackmail. India will strike precisely and decisively at the terrorist hideouts developing under the cover of nuclear blackmail."
More than a retaliation, this was the unveiling of a strategic doctrine. As Modi said, “Terror and talks can’t go together. Water and blood can’t flow together.”
Operation Sindoor was executed in deliberate phases:
· May 7: Nine precision strikes were launched deep into Pakistani territory. Targets included key terror training camps and logistics nodes in Bahawalpur, Muridke, Muzaffarabad, and elsewhere.
· May 8: Pakistan retaliated with a massive drone swarm across India’s western states. India’s multi-layered air defense network—domestically built and augmented by Israeli and Russian systems—neutralized nearly all of them.
· May 9: India escalated with additional strikes on six Pakistani military airbases and UAV coordination hubs.
· May 10: A temporary halt in firing was reached. India did not call it a ceasefire. The Indian military referred to it as a “stoppage of firing”—a semantic but deliberate choice that reinforced its strategic control of the situation.
This wasn’t just tactical success. It was doctrinal execution under live fire.
Strategic Effects Achieved
1. A New Red Line Was Drawn—and Enforced
Terror attacks from Pakistani soil will now be met with military force. That’s not a threat. It’s precedent.
2. Military Superiority Demonstrated
India showcased its ability to strike any target in Pakistan at will—terror sites, drone coordination hubs, even airbases. Meanwhile, Pakistan was unable to penetrate a single defended area inside India. That is not parity. That is overwhelming superiority. And that is how real deterrence is established.
3. Restored Deterrence
India retaliated forcefully but stopped short of full war. The controlled escalation sent a clear deterrent signal: India will respond, and it controls the pace.
4. Asserted Strategic Independence
India handled this crisis without seeking international mediation. It enforced doctrine on sovereign terms, using sovereign means.
Operation Sindoor was not about occupation or regime change. It was limited war executed for specific objectives. Critics who argue India should have gone further miss the point. Strategic success isn’t about the scale of destruction—it’s about achieving the desired political effect.
India was not fighting for vengeance. It was fighting for deterrence. And it worked.
India’s restraint is not weakness—it is maturity. It imposed costs, redefined thresholds, and retained escalation dominance. India didn’t just respond to an attack. It changed the strategic equation.
In an age where many modern wars spiral into open-ended occupations or political confusion, Operation Sindoor stands apart. This was a demonstration of disciplined military strategy: clear goals, aligned ways and means, and adaptive execution in the face of unpredictable escalation. India absorbed a blow, defined its objective, and achieved it—all within a contained timeframe.
The use of force in Operation Sindoor was overwhelming yet controlled—precise, decisive, and without hesitation. That kind of clarity is rare in modern war. In an era defined by "forever wars" and cycles of violence without strategic direction, Sindoor stands apart. It offers a model of limited war with clearly defined ends, matched ways and means, and a state that never relinquished the initiative.
The India of 2008 absorbed attacks and waited. This India hits back—immediately, precisely, and with clarity.
Modi’s doctrine, India’s advancing domestic defense industry, and the professionalism of its armed forces all signal a country no longer preparing for the last war. It is preparing for the next one.
The halt in operations is not the end of Operation Sindoor. It is a pause. India holds the initiative. If provoked again, it will strike again.
This is deterrence restored. This is a new doctrine revealed. And it should be studied by all nations confronting the scourge of state-sponsored terrorism.
Operation Sindoor was a modern war—fought under the shadow of nuclear escalation, with global attention, and within a limited objective framework. And by every measure that matters, it was a strategic success—and a decisive Indian victory.”


Here is what GPT thinks based on the prompt “Is this is an objective analysis?”

Welcome to do it yourself
“This is not an objective analysis. It is a compelling and well-argued strategic narrative or opinion piece. If that’s the intent, it works quite well. If the goal is to present an objective military-political assessment, some tempering and balance would be needed.”
 
Falcon26 said:
As I have said earlier, Pakistan damage on Indian bases were negligible. It’s now confirmed by the New York Times

“Satellite images of the sites Pakistan claimed to have hit are limited, and so far do not clearly show damage caused by Pakistani strikes even at bases where there was corroborating evidence of some military action.

But satellite imagery indicates that while the attacks were widespread, the damage was far more contained than claimed — and appeared mostly inflicted by India on Pakistani facilities. In a new age of high-tech warfare, strikes by both sides, verified by the imagery, appeared to be precisely targeted.

Where India appears to have had a clear edge is in its targeting of Pakistan’s military facilities and airfields, as the latter stretch of fighting shifted from symbolic strikes and shows of force to attacks on each other’s defense capabilities.

High-resolution satellite imagery, from before and after the strikes, shows clear damage to Pakistan’s facilities by Indian attacks, if limited and precise in nature.

Pakistani officials, according to state media, said their forces had “destroyed” India’s Udhampur air base. The family of one Indian soldier has confirmed his death on the base. But an image from May 12 does not appear to show damage.“

@MastanKhan @Waz @JamD

www.nytimes.com

India and Pakistan Talked Big, but Satellite Imagery Shows Limited Damage (Published 2025)

While the attacks were widespread, the damage was far more contained than both sides claimed.
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Call me partial but there is a visible bias to this article.It shows 4 to 5 air bases in Pakistan one of which is primarily civilian(RYK) but only one in India (Udhampur). Pakistan struck 26 military installations and damage was admitted by Indian military spokespersons.Why didn't they show any satellite images from those sites??
 
Here is perplexity analyzing same prompt - I encourage you to do it yourself @Prognostications if yoj truly want to be objective. I use perplexity not signed in - so it has no context.


Same prompt “Is this an objective article?”
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First of all I would like to send my thanks to all the brave service-members that withstood the assault by the vicious saffron enemy. You proved why we can't let our defense down no matter how much the West, their puppets in the Arab world want us to. These so called "Muslims" would need their influence to end sooner or later if the Islamic world wants to progress and become a center of learning and dignity.

I read Mastan Khan's assessment on the recent clashes and the ceasefire and I am highly worried that it does not bode well for Pakistan's future.

The Indians targeted all of Pakistan and its sensitive locations after murdering innocent Pakistanis in false flag attacks. Pakistan did not go on the offensive as they aggressively told us if the Indians attempt an attack on Pakistan or attacks our civilians "they will pay through their noses." When the initial strikes occurred May 7th, Pakistan again and timidly struck back military targets only in Indian occupied and colonized Kashmir. A mosque in central Punjab was leveled and Pakistan's response was to attack some targets in IOK.

This was a grave mistake as the Indians deliberately struck a mosque that's closely near a military installation that Pakistani military members likely perform worships at. By shooting down some planes during the initial Indian Air Terror and in the process shooting down the Indian jets, Pakistan military planners were contend to pat themselves on the back and call it a day.

What should have happened was Pakistan Air Force should have struck a Hindu temple in the heart of Mumbai or Gujarat.
Just like in 2019, Pakistan dropped the ball and let the enemy go without suffering major losses. We all know the Indians being the typical cowards as reflected throughout their history gained much needed confidence to press ahead and fully colonized IOK with Dravidian and Ganges stock Indians.

Pakistan only came out on top tactically, the Indians strategically. I do not know all the details on the "ceasefire" but I know it does not bode well. They used a false-flag operations to target Pakistan proper and Pakistan let them off easily, again.

The ceasefire sounds awfully similar to the one that Israel signed with Hezbollah/Lebanon, Hezbollah will lay down its arms while Israel is allowed to carry out attacks whenever they feel threaten.
The Indians basically implied that proper Pakistan will again be targeted if there is any "terror" attacks in India or IOK.

The fact that Indians can so easily launch their missiles and drones against all parts of Pakistan while Pakistan basically shot off a missile here or there (without much visual damage to the enemy), this will in fact embolden the vicious, rabid enemy further. He will now attempt to target population centers whenever he has an itch. Same as the Israelis. The Indians even struck cowardly right before the ceasefire and struck the PAF base in Sindh and martyred our brave military men.

The Indian cleverly masking his whole argument based of attacking "Terrorists" in Pakistan and claims to be "Surprised" that Pakistan struck back. They are shaping the narrative that anyone could be a terrorist in Pakistan and in the future will be attacked with or without evidence. The Indians also are prepping for future strikes as they didn't suffer ample civilian casualties or financial losses in order to re-calibrate the Hindutva mind. He sees Pakistan and Muslims as a civilizational struggle, while we are confused as to our identity. He does not see Pakistan or South Asian Muslims as normal human begins, but fifth columnists left behind by invaders. The Hindutva will conduct his future actions around these beliefs.


I was banned from the main conflict thread because one of the mods because in his mind he thinks I spoke out against the Quran when I advocated that Pakistan should conduct strikes on Hindu population centers as they openly struck Islamic mosques. Maybe that mod lacks a proper understanding of English but I go by Surah Bakarah verse:

"Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits.1 Allah does not like transgressors."



@Waz @Musings Please message me about the thread ban. I would like to make an suggestion, please get rid of the laughing emoji it likely plays a part in trolling and jest behavior and gives many low-iq Pakistanis and Indians to abuse this feature to mock serious points. I want this forum to a place where serious thinkers come and discuss military issues, and not become another Facebook.

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"There's a reason why there are no satellite images from India. It's because India blocks private sat imagery firms from certain sensitive data in most cases. Moreover, some of those on this app who work full time on sat imagery are employed by the Indian side, so don't expect them to run sat images of Indian bases. They will only run images of Pakistani bases."
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This continues from my post #309 about the article in New York Times.The satellite images provided in that piece are from two companies planetlabs and maxar technologies both of whom have Indians sitting on their BoDs (The CTO of maxar is an Indian)
 
Prognostications said:
Indians are quite disappointed with the Ceasefire
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So my dear fellow are you the spokesperson for ALL Indians or just yourself and circadian rhythm ?
You come on here telling us how disappointed you and your multi IDs are when the whole world has acknowledged you begged for a ceasefire?
You ought to be ashamed. A nation seventh size - gave you a bloody nose.
Multi IDs are not permitted of our forum btw
 
PakistanLVR said:
First of all I would like to send my thanks to all the brave service-members that withstood the assault by the vicious saffron enemy. You proved why we can't let our defense down no matter how much the West, their puppets in the Arab world want us to. These so called "Muslims" would need their influence to end sooner or later if the Islamic world wants to progress and become a center of learning and dignity.

I read Mastan Khan's assessment on the recent clashes and the ceasefire and I am highly worried that it does not bode well for Pakistan's future.

The Indians targeted all of Pakistan and its sensitive locations after murdering innocent Pakistanis in false flag attacks. Pakistan did not go on the offensive as they aggressively told us if the Indians attempt an attack on Pakistan or attacks our civilians "they will pay through their noses." When the initial strikes occurred May 7th, Pakistan again and timidly struck back military targets only in Indian occupied and colonized Kashmir. A mosque in central Punjab was leveled and Pakistan's response was to attack some targets in IOK.

This was a grave mistake as the Indians deliberately struck a mosque that's closely near a military installation that Pakistani military members likely perform worships at. By shooting down some planes during the initial Indian Air Terror and in the process shooting down the Indian jets, Pakistan military planners were contend to pat themselves on the back and call it a day.

What should have happened was Pakistan Air Force should have struck a Hindu temple in the heart of Mumbai or Gujarat.
Just like in 2019, Pakistan dropped the ball and let the enemy go without suffering major losses. We all know the Indians being the typical cowards as reflected throughout their history gained much needed confidence to press ahead and fully colonized IOK with Dravidian and Ganges stock Indians.

Pakistan only came out on top tactically, the Indians strategically. I do not know all the details on the "ceasefire" but I know it does not bode well. They used a false-flag operations to target Pakistan proper and Pakistan let them off easily, again.

The ceasefire sounds awfully similar to the one that Israel signed with Hezbollah/Lebanon, Hezbollah will lay down its arms while Israel is allowed to carry out attacks whenever they feel threaten.
The Indians basically implied that proper Pakistan will again be targeted if there is any "terror" attacks in India or IOK.

The fact that Indians can so easily launch their missiles and drones against all parts of Pakistan while Pakistan basically shot off a missile here or there (without much visual damage to the enemy), this will in fact embolden the vicious, rabid enemy further. He will now attempt to target population centers whenever he has an itch. Same as the Israelis. The Indians even struck cowardly right before the ceasefire and struck the PAF base in Sindh and martyred our brave military men.

The Indian cleverly masking his whole argument based of attacking "Terrorists" in Pakistan and claims to be "Surprised" that Pakistan struck back. They are shaping the narrative that anyone could be a terrorist in Pakistan and in the future will be attacked with or without evidence. The Indians also are prepping for future strikes as they didn't suffer ample civilian casualties or financial losses in order to re-calibrate the Hindutva mind. He sees Pakistan and Muslims as a civilizational struggle, while we are confused as to our identity. He does not see Pakistan or South Asian Muslims as normal human begins, but fifth columnists left behind by invaders. The Hindutva will conduct his future actions around these beliefs.


I was banned from the main conflict thread because one of the mods because in his mind he thinks I spoke out against the Quran when I advocated that Pakistan should conduct strikes on Hindu population centers as they openly struck Islamic mosques. Maybe that mod lacks a proper understanding of English but I go by Surah Bakarah verse:

"Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits.1 Allah does not like transgressors."



@Waz @Musings Please message me about the thread ban. I would like to make an suggestion, please get rid of the laughing emoji it likely plays a part in trolling and jest behavior and gives many low-iq Pakistanis and Indians to abuse this feature to mock serious points. I want this forum to a place where serious thinkers come and discuss military issues, and not become another Facebook.

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Pakistan will not bomb any place of worship. It's against International Law and spirit of the Pakistani constitution.

As far as Pakistanis being casted as terrorist is concerned, I think we have had more than 2 decades of experience with that phenomenon.

Yes, India did attack civilians and Indians do wish a long thirsty death if not by nuclear wasteland. But I do not see any panic in any spectrum of the society nor any appeals to attack Indian civilians or places of worship.

These nutella ideas seem to be mostly from overseas Pakistanis living in western countries. It's like the Afghans who are happy advocating genocide for their own kin in Afghanistan. I honestly believe the weather is to blame for this curious phenomenon.
 
My two cents: any article or analysis that says India attacked terrorist camps should be dismissed straightaway. Because literally, they are calling our 4 year children terrorists. I have Israeli colleagues and when I talk about Palestinian children they shamelessly say: but they are taught to kill Israelis from childhood. They never directly speak against children. Rather, they use age neutral language while referring to helpless children, women, and elderly. This is 100% the Israeli playbook and Pakistan needs to take a strong stand against it.

In this world of ‘might is right’, you stop propaganda by pulling out the tongue that utters it. In recent years, Hollywood has released films showing America’s domestic security problems around gangs, mafias, and scammers. One of them was about the Russian mafia. Here is how you create an aura of power in a gun saturated society. A group of Russians start living in a locality. In the day to day humdrum of life, somebody shows disrespect. The whole group lets him know the consequences. Over time, a reputation starts building. You don’t cross the Russians. Sure, some Russians end up in jail. But they create contacts in jail. They find key officials who can be persuaded. They create businesses, both legal and illegal to generate money. And they keep spreading their influence.

That’s one playbook. It doesn’t work everywhere. The Lebanese in Sydney tried it in the 90s and 2000s until a certain incident involving a guy named Bilal Skaf. That literally led to communal riots. Around the same time Australia tightened gun laws. And the Police cracked down on the Lebanese. To this day their image is tarnished.

The Indian playbook has been the mass takeover of education and white collar jobs. Growing up, I heard that if an Indian got into trouble at airports etc, he would identify as Pakistani. This is my elders telling me tales from the 60s and 70s. By the time officials realised the guy was Indian, media had been informed about a Pakistani creating trouble. Plus our own illiterate population added to this.

Recently an organised campaign was launched in Britain to dig up the case of ‘Pakistani rapist gangs’. For one reason or the other, white supremacists everywhere hate Pakistanis. India has been the rape capital of the world with multiple news stories published in Western media about Caucasian women being assaulted. But no anti-Indian sentiment became widespread.

In my personal experience, good English and a smile keeps me out of trouble. Even during the vile ‘Pakistani rape gang’ episode, no problems in public places. But that’s Australia which recently drubbed the right-wing Liberals in elections and stand solidly against Trumpism and white supremacy. The Australian intelligence agencies proactively track supremacist groups and act preemptively against them.

The right wing Prime Minister Scott Morrison was extremely pro-India. He posted about making Indian dishes, Nepali dishes etc at home. But never Pakistani dishes. The Quad materialised during his time but couldn’t get anywhere possibly because of Indian incompetence.

I don’t have a solution for this, but we need to take control of our international image. This needs to be looked at the government level.

Meanwhile, please do not tolerate anything that talks about India attacking terrorists in Pakistan.
 
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