POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

[hussain0216]

I wanted to add this info for validation, this is mere speculation on my part:

Pakistan and india went out of their way not to use dual use nuclear capable weapon systems

Example
Pakistan used
Fathe 1, 2 but not abdali, Hataf 2, Babur cruise missile to name a few
Air Force used CM 400 AKG but not ALCM Raad none of the above are nuclear capable or dual use

While India used
Brahmoss cruise missile which is imported and the Indian version is not nuclear capable - we have had this long discussion before

the SCALP and maybe hammer

Your feedback will be appreciated

kV

Also it was very early on, Pakistan didn't know how long the conflict was going to be

Pakistan used Fatah 1 and 2s to strike targets that could be used to support Indian attacks upon Pakistan including bases that may have troop build ups


Some of you are acting like this was a 5 years war and we didn't use baburs or Raads

It was a small escalation lasting a few days, the IAF was neutralised early on and then it went to targeting each other from range

Pakistan roasted Indian posts and then went into close bases


Fatah 1 and 2s and soon to be inducted Fatah 3s and 4s are more then capable to do this job, especially once we build up significant numbers

If the conflict has continued, then I can guarantee you that baburs and Raads and all the rest of our arsenal would have been used

You can't judge a few days of conflict and make a declaration of what would happen a d what we would use over a longer war



Pakistan did just fine and our strategy was reasonable,,too reasonable in the face of a scum enemy


We have planning to do and things to induct

 

[fallschirmjager786]

Also it was very early on, Pakistan didn't know how long the conflict was going to be

Pakistan used Fatah 1 and 2s to strike targets that could be used to support Indian attacks upon Pakistan including bases that may have troop build ups


Some of you are acting like this was a 5 years war and we didn't use baburs or Raads

It was a small escalation lasting a few days, the IAF was neutralised early on and then it went to targeting each other from range

Pakistan roasted Indian posts and then went into close bases


Fatah 1 and 2s and soon to be inducted Fatah 3s and 4s are more then capable to do this job, especially once we build up significant numbers

If the conflict has continued, then I can guarantee you that baburs and Raads and all the rest of our arsenal would have been used

You can't judge a few days of conflict and make a declaration of what would happen a d what we would use over a longer war



Pakistan did just fine and our strategy was reasonable,,too reasonable in the face of a scum enemy


We have planning to do and things to induct

Reasonable take. Both sides did not want a major escalation and that's why we are where we are.

I guess there something for both sides to take to their people.

Just waiting to see the drama being orchestrated at the UN soon. Tharoor and owaisi, bjps controlled opposition to be involved.

 

[Waz]

Also it was very early on, Pakistan didn't know how long the conflict was going to be

Pakistan used Fatah 1 and 2s to strike targets that could be used to support Indian attacks upon Pakistan including bases that may have troop build ups


Some of you are acting like this was a 5 years war and we didn't use baburs or Raads

It was a small escalation lasting a few days, the IAF was neutralised early on and then it went to targeting each other from range

Pakistan roasted Indian posts and then went into close bases


Fatah 1 and 2s and soon to be inducted Fatah 3s and 4s are more then capable to do this job, especially once we build up significant numbers

If the conflict has continued, then I can guarantee you that baburs and Raads and all the rest of our arsenal would have been used

You can't judge a few days of conflict and make a declaration of what would happen a d what we would use over a longer war



Pakistan did just fine and our strategy was reasonable,,too reasonable in the face of a scum enemy


We have planning to do and things to induct

I've said it before and say it again, the answer to Brahmos was Babur not Fatah.

 

[Path-Finder]

First thing is develop your economy,

I was locked in a debate with this...... person who was hell bent on proving me wrong with sub-par arguments on economy. I said Economy is linked to your national security. This is where Pakistan has always failed and I believe its done on purpose, but thats not part of the debate.

Any system Pakistan needs has to be procured with hard sum, if you have a good healthy economic activity then its possible. But when you are in economic dire straits by your own stupidity then any conflict is high/low is out of the question.

 

[hussain0216]

I've said it before and say it again, the answer to Brahmos was Babur not Fatah.

And I agree with you

But over 5 days, we can't really make an assessment

My view and I'm only thinking out aloud here, is that went after posts and bases closer to Pakistan that could be used against Pakistan in any conflict and possible invasion and they used the most easily deployable option they had that Fatahs

I believe fatah 3 and 4 will be heavier also, especially considering recently we were having discussions after the Fatah 3 test on whether it was a evolution of Abdali missile

Not using Babur or Raad after a few days of conflict is not weird,
If it wasn't used over 5 years war THEN it would be weird

 

[Waz]

And I agree with you

But over 5 days, we can't really make an assessment

My view and I'm only thinking out aloud here, is that went after posts and bases closer to Pakistan that could be used against Pakistan in any conflict and possible invasion and they used the most easily deployable option they had that Fatahs

I believe fatah 3 and 4 will be heavier also, especially considering recently we were having discussions after the Fatah 3 test on whether it was a evolution of Abdali missile

Not using Babur or Raad after a few days of conflict is not weird,
If it wasn't used over 5 years war THEN it would be weird

I hope the newer versions of Fatah deliver massive ordinance.
But we did miss a trick to field test Babur.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

I've said it before and say it again, the answer to Brahmos was Babur not Fatah.

I think both sides tried their best to avoid their action to be mistaken for a nuclear escalation.

Babur serves as a nuclear missile in Pakistan's defense structure.

 

[hussain0216]

I think both sides tried their best to avoid their action to be mistaken for a nuclear escalation.

Babur serves as a nuclear missile in Pakistan's defense structure.

Babur is dual use

But for what it's worth, I BELIEVE after the last brahmos strike by India which was sneaky just before ceasefire, that Pakistan would have started to use heavy missiles in response and started to target deeper and more populated areas

India knew this was coming, the U.S knew this was coming and rather then continue on this escalation path, a ceasefire came into effect to not let the situation get out of control

 

[Waz]

I think both sides tried their best to avoid their action to be mistaken for a nuclear escalation.

Babur serves as a nuclear missile in Pakistan's defense structure.

This is accurate but also the fault of Pakistan for clearly not designating it as a conventional system like India did with Brahmos.

 

[Falcon26]

I hope the newer versions of Fatah deliver massive ordinance.
But we did miss a trick to field test Babur.

Missiles that follow a ballistic trajectory are in a massive disadvantage in today’s air defense environment. Pakistan must develop hypersonic cruise missiles else it will not be able to deter India. I am not convinced the Fatah series did any serious damage. The S-400 was taken out by the Chinese supersonic missiles.

 

[RescueRanger]

So after reading 38 pages. This thread started out well, but somewhere between page 5 and 38 it lost it's way and became a discussion rather than an assessment with the same old regurgitated questions asked in the other thread being asked here.

Shame.

 

[PakistanLVR]

This thread is getting out of hand. All have been forewarned.

By whom? Please do not abuse your privileges to suppress actual concerns of Pakistanis. Don't turn into the old forum where if you don't like what other Pakistanis are saying you will ban them like some of the other mods have done to me.

 

[Michael]

So after reading 38 pages. This thread started out well, but somewhere between page 5 and 38 it lost it's way and became a discussion rather than an assessment with the same old regurgitated questions asked in the other thread being asked here.

Shame.

Both sides of the war love a war of words and there is a strong national sentiment on both sides. This makes it difficult for both sides to face the events themselves in a calm and objective manner.

 

[WhispersFromThePast]

Lolz there’s literally a guy sitting on the train in Sydney right now talking into his phone telling someone China stood with Pakistan and even Bangladesh stood with them.

In other news, the new instalment of Mission Impossible released after the skirmish and the story involves the takeover of nuclear arsenals of all nations having nukes. First of all it includes Israel in the list. Second, the flags of all the nations are shown twice and both times the Indian flag IS NOT shown. India gets mentioned by name but the flag is missing. Maybe my eyes missed it both times?

And even further news, I overheard colleagues in my office talking about how Pakistan beat India with China’s help.

 

[WhispersFromThePast]

Yeah, let’s all start posting everything we ‘hear’ that will add exponentially to the quality of the forum

If you want to behave like a **** I will treat you like a ****. I don’t believe in ignoring because I don’t allow people to post against me while I turn a blind eye.

Every single thing I reported was discussed by non-corporate reporters. Young journalists on YouTube who are the establishment’s preferred mechanism of leaking information without officially claiming it. Young journalists could deny this mechanism. You could deny the veracity. But stop acting like a ****.