POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

I doubt the Shahed series will be able to reliably penetrate past the neighbouring Indian States at the border though, they fly too slow and can be intercepted before then. It leaves only high-cost high-speed maneuvering warheads.

The strategic depth problem is Pakistan's achilles' heel.
Russia uses them every day to hit targets 1000km deep into Ukraine

large countries like India and Ukraine cannot effectively provide AD coverage over their entire territory 24/7, especially against small targets like drones. Even Israel could not reliably intercept Hezbollah drones (one of which hit Bibi's personal home in central Israel and another hit an IDF food hall near Haifa, causing 62 casualties).
 
Whether it's the shaheed or YiHa which we use, their role is to soak up enemy AD missiles to


We can always look at if we need a improvement on YiHa
The Turkish YIHA proved to be quite useless & its understandable as its not a proper kamikaze drone, its slow & very lackluster.

It was procured for small built up areas against less saturated air defence battlefield.

What you need is a drone like the Harop or Shahed which are fast enough & lethal plus with enough gas to attack all in Delhi.
 
The Turkish YIHA proved to be quite useless & its understandable as its not a proper kamikaze drone, its slow & very lackluster.

It was procured for small built up areas against less saturated air defence battlefield.

What you need is a drone like the Harop or Shahed which are fast enough & lethal plus with enough gas to attack all in Delhi.
Shahed-238 is jet powered with 500km/hr speed and 1000km range with EO sensor (allows precise targeting and recording of strikes / BDA)

small and relatively cheap. and proven by Russia in Ukraine, a similarly large country to India

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Shahed-238 is jet powered with 500km/hr speed and 1000km range with EO sensor (allows precise targeting and recording of strikes / BDA)

small and relatively cheap. and proven by Russia in Ukraine, a similarly large country to India

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Pakistan could probably mass produce local copies of these to be fair, I don't see them going to Iran unless emergency shipment is needed. The tech behind it exists within their borders.
 
Pakistan could probably mass produce local copies of these to be fair, I don't see them going to Iran unless emergency shipment is needed. The tech behind it exists within their borders.
Pakistan has jet powered drones with 1000km range and EO sensors? Show me.

Local licensed production is possible - this is what Russia does with Shaheds.
 
Shahed-238 is jet powered with 500km/hr speed and 1000km range with EO sensor (allows precise targeting and recording of strikes / BDA)

small and relatively cheap. and proven by Russia in Ukraine, a similarly large country to India

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Am not sure why Pakistan has been reluctant to tap into Iranian drones it’s certainly not USA fear but rather self pride of the stuck up generals at the top.
 
Pakistan has jet powered drones with 1000km range and EO sensors? Show me.

Local licensed production is possible - this is what Russia does with Shaheds.
tbf Iran has more knowledge in terms of drone development than Pakistan especially Kamikaze drones we should suck up our self provide & establish a ToT line in Pakistan.
 
Am not sure why Pakistan has been reluctant to tap into Iranian drones it’s certainly not USA fear but rather self pride of the stuck up generals at the top.
Western-worshipping Pakistani elite...and frankly awam also is scared of sanctions and loss of access to the West. They also don't want to get on the wrong side of the mighty Zionist lobby in Washington.

This is why expensive LNG is imported from Qatar and not cheap LNG from Iran, even when the Iranians have built a pipeline all the way to the Pakistan border.
 
Western-worshipping Pakistani elite...and frankly awam also is scared of sanctions and loss of access to the West. They also don't want to get on the wrong side of the mighty Zionist lobby in Washington.
Am sure we can manage pressure for a couple of drones ngl if we can’t do that either we dont have the balls or we just down right retarded.

USA shouldn’t be allowed to dictate what we buy & dont buy, this is the sole reason we also fall quite short in our conventional deterrence.
 
Honestly, I cannot say for sure how effective Fatah was or how effective Babur may have been. However, if I had to guess, F1/F2 would be harder to shoot down.
I would assume it will be due to its speed/Ballistic trajectory ? Also I wonder if a Fatah Missile is cheaper compared to Babur/Raad , and like @Oscar mentioned each system has a Message of its own, due to Raad/Babur been displayed as Nuclear warhead with conventional capability, I think it was a good decision to used Fatah, I would also assume that Pakistan wanted to see where this conflict will go, if shit hits the Fan than Baburs/Raad and shaheen would come out.
I think if the news about CM-400AKG hitting S-400's are true, we should order more and maybe even raise a dedicated Drone/sq of fighters for taking out long range Air Defense systems.
 
Am sure we can manage pressure for a couple of drones ngl if we can’t do that either we dont have the balls or we just down right retarded.

USA shouldn’t be allowed to dictate what we buy & dont buy, this is the sole reason we also fall quite short in our conventional deterrence.
The only times we have defied the US is on the nuke/missile program. Beyond that Pakistani elite has swallowed whatever insult/contempt/demands the West/GCC Arabs have shoved down our throat. West/GCC knows the elite class has simply been using Pakistan for resource extraction and then buying assets in Gulf/West and arranging immigration for their families. They have Pakistan by the balls and India was counting on that as well in its recent attacks.

By elite class I dont mean just the civilians. To use cricket analogy, Pakistan won its T20 match with India but I have serious doubts it can win a Test series.
 
Israel is tiny and it jews hundreds of billions out of the U.S and west to protect itself and STILL whether against irregular forces like Hezbollah or Hamas or against Iran SOMETHING always gets through, or their is no way in stopping it
Israel was not only protected by its own AD, but there was a significant numbers of American AD assets in the region, and not to mention the RAF and our Arab (Traitors) who were mostly like shooting/tracking Iranian drones/BM, and yet we have many many hits confirm inside Israeli's target, I think overall Pakistan AD did a good job, is there room for improvement ? Hell yeah... but we need to give credit where its due.
 
Pakistan needs an iron dome solution ASAP.
To afford that you need a economy which can get us that, right now we are surviving on loans, and bail outs, Terrorism is rampant in the country thanks to Indian sponsored BLA/TTP, I'd say find a way to make temp peace with India for 4-5 years, and in that time completely wipe out TTP/BLA and build a robust economy. Indians will come again for us, sooner or later but they will be itching for another round soon enough.
 
The Turkish YIHA proved to be quite useless & its understandable as its not a proper kamikaze drone, its slow & very lackluster.

It was procured for small built up areas against less saturated air defence battlefield.

What you need is a drone like the Harop or Shahed which are fast enough & lethal plus with enough gas to attack all in Delhi.

It soaked up a lot of expensive SAM missiles to take down, so it had the desired effect but agree something like harop/shaheed would be useful.
 

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