POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

[Oscar]

My apologies. Please delete my posts. @Sharma Ji seems to have taken offense. I had asked a serious question though

Both @Sharma Ji and I know neither side has any balls to risk nuclear weapons. Which is the irony of this entire conflict.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Your request is extravagant and unrealistic.
No country is going to publicize its true strengths in these areas. They either don't talk, or they talk nonsense, but they certainly don't tell the truth.
As for think tanks, they do the same. Either they don't talk or they talk nonsense.

But, if you are really interested, you can try to follow their performance in these areas in the civilian market.

For example:
If a certain country is very advanced in the civilian electronics field and in the communications field, then it certainly won't be bad in the military field. Conversely, if a country claims to be very good in the military sector, but the civilian sector is all run or supplied by foreign companies, that's classic bluffing.

Dear I didn't ask countries or any officials. I asked people present in this forum and I Know in this forum, some very knowledgeable person does exist.

Also you can share your own personal view on these topics. Your views are welcome and valuable for me.

I know it's impossible to get 100% correct answers to these things but then there are a lot of things which we don't know exactly but combining different clues and information that are publicly available we get idea of things like no body exactly know the range of PL15 or it's NEZ but we get idea through different means. Same we can apply on these topics too.

 

[hussain0216]

J-35 & KAAN will be this.

Especially KAAN

J-35 will be more used in the air superiority role backed up by J10s, JF17s

KAAN is a much larger air craft

 

[Khanviletey]

a little different, those Wingloongs and Predators, Herons etc

they're not built for wild G dog fight maneuvering.. payload girane ka, and then that's it.

mass/saturation attacks are also susceptible to e-jamming etc

I am suggesting building purpose built ainti drone Drones ADD

I will start a thread. Thinking two different types of drones. Will discuss more

Kv

 

[Abid123]

Underground/Mountain air bases in Balochistan?

 

[Vkdindian1]

The latest engagement has set a new normal for both the countries.

Op Sindhoor is the New Baseline set by India. This would keep both the militaries in a state of higher alert. Any incident of Pahalgam nature, or, even a smaller one would put both sides on the edge, militarily.

How would they cope up with it? Because this would necessitate more resources in terms of money, as well as manpower.

Both militaries must have already put their heads down to see where they lacked and excelled in the last one week. Since the next conflict could be within a short time.

Since Balakot, PAF proved to be way ahead of IAF in identifying and creating an asymmetry in the light of Rafale acquisition by the IAF in Air to Air domain.

No one can do a radical acquisition in a short while. So the next conflict is likely to be fought with same hardware. Only change would be innovation incorporated by each side and how they employ what they already have.

Last two ones were initiated by India. If India moves ahead with suspension of IWT and starts any physical work to divert water, then the next one could be initiated by the other side.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Underground/Mountain air bases in Balochistan?

Better to reduce the volatility of the province first.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

Hi. I have a question. Shouldn't Pakistan go for Long Range air defense for its navy like airforce and army has in terms of HQ9. Type 052D appears to full that gap. Recent conflict has shown that India doesn't shy from using multiple BrahMos per target. Next time if they failed heavily in air combat, they might resort to naval conflict. Their Visakhapatnam class each can carry upto 16 BrahMos which could be lethal against our Naval assets. @Oscar @Panzerkiel @Waz @JamD @Quwa @RescueRanger

 

[PakistaniDefender]

So the next conflict is likely to be fought with same hardware

When are u seeing the next conflict?

 

[PakistaniDefender]

I have one more question if anyone can answer. Why did India resorts to drones and later BrahMos Cruise Missiles before we had launched our response? Is there something we don't know? Was Pakistan doing the similar thing before Op Bunyan Marsoos?? Why was India escalating at that point even though it had already launched strikes on Pakistan on 7th May?

 

[Vkdindian1]

When are u seeing the next conflict?

Not sure about when but sure about one. I had said the same after Pulwama saga and predicted one based on the assertions by Delhi at that time. It took six years to materialise. So, it would depend on a similar trigger.

It can be used by any rogue element to precipitate one.

As we go ahead, there is a possibility of one being started by Paksiatn due to any construction by India in the light of IWT suspension.

Coming to second question raised by you in the next. War is not a slap contest. Where each side strikes and then takes turns till one side wins. War is always dirty and the aim is to achieve one’s objectives. A retaliation by the other side was imminent after initial strike by India. So, they must have acted based on intelligence and blunt the retaliation.

Thereafter, who does what till a ceasefire is declared, is of little value from moral perspective.

Both sides choose weapons towards achieving their aim without being escalatory. It is for the other side to decide the tipping point. Paksiatn military planners had to take a decision regarding that.

Once, India fired Brahmos, Paksiatn had all the time to use thier weapons of choice. They must have been ready and available to be used, as it was a full war waiting to happen, had it escalated.

I don’t believe that it was due to purity of heart. There must have been something more to it and it wouldn’t have been restraint either.
I wouldn’t speculate, as fanboys will start calling names, but reasons were there for sure.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

When are u seeing the next conflict?

Not sure about when but sure about one. I had said the same after Pulwama saga and predicted one based on the assertions by Delhi at that time. It took seven years to materialise. So, it would depend on a similar trigger.

It can be used by any rogue element to precipitate one.

As we go ahead, there is a possibility of one being started by Paksiatn due to any construction by India in the light of IWT suspension.

2019 and 2025 were only 6 years apart.

My guess would be in the next 5 to 10 years another skirmish could break out, maybe before. The region is volatile.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Hi. I have a question. Shouldn't Pakistan go for Long Range air defense for its navy like airforce and army has in terms of HQ9. Type 052D appears to full that gap. Recent conflict has shown that India doesn't shy from using multiple BrahMos per target. Next time if they failed heavily in air combat, they might resort to naval conflict. Their Visakhapatnam class each can carry upto 16 BrahMos which could be lethal against our Naval assets. @Oscar @Panzerkiel @Waz @JamD @Quwa @RescueRanger

We need a credible offensive deterrence in my opinion, not to crawl up in a defensive ball. Not saying that your suggestion of more advanced air defense is bad though.

But even with Pakistani Navy's smaller size and resources, with highly manoeuvrable HGVs, like China's DF-21D & DF-17, it could pose a significant deterrence against Indian Navy assets.

Pakistan needs to absolutely modernise it's land-based and navy-based tactical & strategic missiles. Honestly feels like we are behind. Fatah is a step in the right direction but really early in the ladder.

 

[Vkdindian1]

2019 and 2025 were only 6 years apart.

My guess would be in the next 5 to 10 years another skirmish could break out, maybe before. The region is volatile.

Corrected the error in my post.

In am not too sure about laying down a timeline though.
A trigger can happen anytime and India appears to be in no mood to relent. With addition of new trigger points, it is more likely than ever.

India has done a lot of work in many areas with the aim of indigenisation. That is coming of age now and could be a challenge to an adversary.
They can’t take the other side lightly either as displayed by an agile PAF.
The escalation could be higher too.
Not good when two nuclear powers are involved.

 

[Baibers_1260]

2019 and 2025 were only 6 years apart.

My guess would be in the next 5 to 10 years another skirmish could break out, maybe before. The region is volatile.

Long term this is nothing to do with terrorism, territory, Kashmir, or IWT . There have been terror or militant attacks constantly like the one in Kathua on July 09, 2024. There were no terror attacks inside Kashmir from 1950-1965 ( there were "infiltrators " in the 1965 war ). The 1971 war saw zero terror attacks and no hostility to the Indian Armed Forces in the course of the war and thereafter till 1990. Even in the Kargil war there was no terrorist activity inside the Valley. Why? One argument ( maybe flawed) is that the Kashmiris were comfortable with their limited autonomy (Art.370) and the secular status of India. The India Pakistan conflict has much deeper roots and President Trump was not far off when he said Hindus & Muslims have been fighting for 1000 years. There is no active conflict in the world today that has such a long history