PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment: News, Discussion & Updates

[Khansaheeb]

The Generals are even more corrupt than the Politicians and people, still this does
not mean they should interfere in politics.

They should go and do their jobs, which they have failed miserably at.

If the army was more corrupt there would be no Pakistan and you would be drinking cow ka cola

 

[Khansaheeb]

Indeed, an army of over half a million, armed to the teeth, with billions in budget and extensive financial ventures across the country, operating more like mercenaries than a national army and under the command of a "Chief" rather than the constitution and the rule of law, is poised to remain a dominant force ...

But your "optimism", or what I have to call a blatant lie, that things are headed in the right direction is just plain hilarious.

You sound like a corrupt who didn't get his fist full of dollars

 

[M. Sarmad]

It shouldn't continue because this cult has literally attempted to break chain of command structure of Nuclear Armed Pakistan Army. This cult has desired badly that Pakistan should become Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or any other latest emerging model in order to restore Khan Sahab himself.
Imran Khan's model of governance was evidently wrong itself. I can create a stock pile of posts here where he was heavily depending on the top brass of military for his petty or even dirty work....What kinda of world you guys live in ?

The flaw in your argument lies in your characterization of what you term a "cult." In reality, it represents the overwhelming majority of the nation who collectively rejected the Army's falsehoods and narratives surrounding events like May 9, 2023, on February 8, 2024

 

[Anza]

They Involve themselves due to national security threat, it may not be real but that's how it is, in their minds they are saving the state.

Ok saving the state by installing corrupt politicians and terrorising the patriotic citizens of the country who would need enemies to destabilise the country when your own army is destroying Pakistan.

 

[WatchtowerWarrior4Ever]

OK, so all the foreign dependencies are in our favour until when? Only when Pakisatn is a master of it's own destiny will the country and people prosper. First priority should be kick out corrupts who want things by theft or for free, devolve power to democratic votes of the people and get rid of the leaches who keep the country down.

Corruption can either be increased or decreased. It can never be eradicated 100%. Countries do prosper when they have element of certainity. Where state organs do not cross their prescribed lines. A functional democratic system where the poeple's representatives slowly try to create their own spaces in order to have better governance. Just go through the series of conventions by which House of Common took space of House of Lords in 19th and 20th century. Whereby Queen Victoria's legacy of corruption and nepotism was slowly eradicated over the period of decades.
Such process can never be initiated via Imran Khan's violent attacks on the Federal Capital. You guys expect some miracles from clouds of dust, smoke, chaos, uncertainity and denial. Not gonna happen this way.

 

[Anza]

Frankly speaking our army leadership is compromised they are deceiving the public by hiding their true intentions and motives to support India/American/Israel axis of Zionist.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Frankly speaking our army leadership is compromised they are deceiving the public by hiding their true intentions and motives to support India/American/Israel axis of Zionist.

Regrettably, this is indeed the case. The Pakistan Army serves as the principal defender of the interests of the Taghut in this region of the world.

 

[WatchtowerWarrior4Ever]

Indeed, an army of over half a million, armed to the teeth, with billions in budget and extensive financial ventures across the country, operating more like mercenaries than a national army and under the command of a "Chief" rather than the constitution and the rule of law, is poised to remain a dominant force ...

But your "optimism", or what I have to call a blatant lie, that things are headed in the right direction is just plain hilarious.

You will see bro. Pakistan afford cannot another wave of populism.

 

[M. Sarmad]

You will see bro. Pakistan cannot another wave of populism.

I genuinely and sincerely hope that this mumlikat-e-khudādād flourishes and endures for all time. However, for that to occur, our Army must amend its ways, and I do not foresee that happening.

 

[WatchtowerWarrior4Ever]

The flaw in your argument lies in your characterization of what you term a "cult." In reality, it represents the overwhelming majority of the nation who collectively rejected the Army's falsehoods and narratives surrounding events like May 9, 2023, on February 8, 2024

It will be better for you guys to come outa this Feb 8th shock. Things are moving ahead on much faster pace.

 

[M. Sarmad]

It will be better for you guys to come outa this Feb 8th shock. Things are moving ahead on much faster pace.

It's really "you guys" who need to wake up and smell the coffee.... Times have changed, and most of the country has rejected the Army's meddling in politics and their illegal antics. This is unprecedented in (West) Pakistan, and the situation is way more serious than the old-timers in the military calling the shots realize.

 

[WatchtowerWarrior4Ever]

I genuinely and sincerely hope that this mumlikat-e-khudādād flourishes and endures for all time. However, for that to occur, our Army must amend its ways, and I do not foresee that happening.

This will only happen when entire political parties will have a mutual understanding, that no matter what happens, we shall increase our space over the period of longitudinal timeframe. Rules are hard to break when they become traditions. Let's just agree upon the rule of the game first at least.

With Khan's style of playing this 'game'...it became impossible for everyone to develop any kind of consensus... Naturally, he was forced to sit inside the pavilion.

 

[M. Sarmad]

This will only happen when entire political parties will have a mutual understanding, that no matter what happens, we shall increase our space over the period of longitudinal timeframe. Rules are hard to break when they become traditions. Let's just agree upon the rule of the game first at least.

With Khan's style of playing this 'game'...it became impossible for everyone to develop any kind of consensus... Naturally, he was forced to sit inside the pavilion.

I hope you realize that any alleged incompetence on the part of the political class, particularly Imran Khan, does not absolve the Army of its crimes in any way.

 

[WatchtowerWarrior4Ever]

I hope you realize that any alleged incompetence on the part of the political class, particularly Imran Khan, does not absolve the Army of its crimes in any way.

Imran Khan's coalition government was formed by support of 8 parties with simple majority of 4 votes in National Assembly. This weak coalition was brought into power by army iteself. From 2018 to 2022, Imran Khan’s government passed more than 100 bills through the National Assembly. How he was able to pass those bills? Of course it was establishment who made arrangements.
It wasn't incompetence....it was his absolute reliance on military and an utter denial to recognize space of his political rivals which has cost Khan sahab his position.
This downward slope of PTI is still on going rapidly.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Imran Khan's coalition government was formed by support of 8 parties with simple majority of 4 votes in National Assembly. This weak coalition was brought into power by army iteself. From 2018 to 2022, Imran Khan’s government passed more than 100 bills through the National Assembly. How he was able to pass those bills? Of course it was establishment who made arrangements.
It wasn't incompetence....it was his absolute reliance on military and an utter denial to recognize space of his political rivals which has cost Khan sahab his position.
This downward slope of PTI is still on going rapidly.

You are missing a fundamental point here. The people have not turned against the Army out of affection for Imran Khan; rather, they have rallied behind him out of their growing dislike—now transformed into outright hatred—toward the Army. The support for Khan does not stem from admiration for his competence or the manner in which he governed. In fact, he was quite unpopular in early 2022 due to his perceived failure to manage inflation and his poor governance. His popularity surged only after his expulsion by the Army.