PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment: News, Discussion & Updates

[flyingorca]

Who was it that said whenever IK fans are confronted they divert and don't respond to the critique?

If you can answer then answer. Otherwise it's just disingenuous tactic everyone can see through.

So basically you guys have no answer to my question. Just beating around the bush is not going to help.

Trust me I have bunch of more gotcha mic drop questions for PTI fans. I just wanted to know a little about Imran followers mentality before I start a project which will expose PTI cult.

 

[pashtunkoum]

So basically you guys have no answer to my question. Just beating around the bush is not going to help.

Trust me I have bunch of more gotcha mic drop questions for PTI fans. I just wanted to know a little about Imran followers mentality before I start a project which will expose PTI cult.

I literally answered you and posed another question and you are giving me a "but but but".

Why are you cowering and not answering me? This isn't a world of absolutes. Everything is relative and in context. You're calling out IK's foreign policy when the alternative has been nominating a murderer of civilians across the world several times to the Nobel peace prize and saluting him like a colonial chaprasi.

Why do you run away from above and go back to "cult cult cult!"

 

[Distant_Observer]

Time to ban PTI

It's supporters are unhinged and now spreading propaganda against Pakistan

PTI has become totally and utterly unelectable and dangerous for Pakistan,
They are same as the Iranian diaspora with a Messiah complex about Pahlavi/Imran

Their is a nexus of afghanis/PTM/BLA/PTI and liberals all spreading Afghan and Indian propaganda and it is vital Pakistan crushes these enemies

All the seperatists and ethnofascists latched on to him because they thought he would throw them a bone.

This is how he grew his supporter base and his militant base.

He provided political cover for the taliban when they were being hunted by drone strikes in NWFP. He directly compromised Pakistan's WOT and we see the outcome now.

He left Pakistan almost bankrupt and unleashed wave after wave of militant attacks supported by the taliban. Scumbag. A wolf in sheeps clothing.

KP has never been worse since PTI took over in 2013. Its people deserve so much better.

I don't why Pakistan tolerates such characters.

It's a low bar just to expect a political leader to be Pakistan first and a patriot.

 

[pashtunkoum]

All the seperatists and ethnofascists latched on to him because they thought he would throw them a bone.

This is how he grew his supporter base.

He provided political cover for the taliban when they were being hunted by drone strikes in NWFP. He directly compromised Pakistan's WOT and we see the outcome now.

KP has never been worse since PTI took over in 2013. Its people deserve so much better.

I don't why Pakistan tolerates such characters.

It's a low bar just to expect a political leader to be Pakistan first and a patriot.

Really? Which part of KP are you from? When did you last visit?

I agree KP hasn't been more divided since 2022 but most on here are turning a blind eye to that reality.

 

[flyingorca]

Thats called politics and as long as it aligns with the Constitution of Pakistan, is not an issue. What is wrong is Grade 22 govt employees seizing power and ruling the country in an unaccountable unconstitutional manner.

So basically he was using Islam for his political gain. How dare he! What a munafiqun ummah leader!
Grade 22 officer? Is there something wrong with low ranking offical leading a nation?
Prophet Mohammed PBUH was a merchant when Allah chose him.
Its you hypocrite Imranis who are not hypocrite but also arrogant.
Lol bet you 100 bucks Imran hardly know 1 or 2 ayat and just fiddles with tasbi to project Islami touch image.

 

[Watandar]

So basically he was using Islam for his political gain. How dare he! What a munafiqun ummah leader!
Grade 22 officer? Is there something wrong with low ranking offical leading a nation?
Prophet Mohammed PBUH was a merchant when Allah chose him.
Its you hypocrite Imranis who are not hypocrite but also arrogant.
Lol bet you 100 bucks Imran hardly know 1 or 2 ayat and just fiddles with tasbi to project Islami touch image.

Grade 22 officers are servants of the nation, not leaders. That's the principle enshrined in the Constitution. Imran Khan is a political leader and his activities are constitutional. Field Marshall ruling the country through barrel of gun and having lunches with foreign heads of state is un-constitutional and always leads to bad results.

 

[flyingorca]

Buddy it sounds programmed to you because you beat the same drum opposition has been beating for 3 decades now. You're going to hear the same replies.

The consequences of "with us" or "against us" being perceived as some binary choice is not true. It never is true. That's not how geopolitics works. Musharraf was in a weak position because oh his control and so he bent over.

Now even though I loathe Nawaza and Bhutto family even they would not have bent over so willingly. Giving up all our assets, leverage and security for a few $$$ and a right to keep ruling.

So the answer is this isn't a binary answer. IK would have very likely said we are with you but we have certain red lines that cannot be crossed. We can provide certain intel but we wont send our own people to fight against our own tribes. These nuances matter and can only be realized if you have some self respect. Not if you're saluting your overlord like Shahbaz.

If delusion had a face it would be PTI. what makes you think just because you had a democratically elected leader, US would settle with your conditions? Its like if you are getting robbed and you say that I will peacefully request the robber to spare me because I have to buy a new car. This is how stupid your argument sounds. You think US gives a F to your conditions? They wanted Pakistan to provide them with intel, and logistic support and as well as invole themselves in proxy war that was gifted to Pakistan with the approval of many other nations. Thats where your diplomacy skills comes into play which PTI has zero skills and are just loud mouth drama queens. Just saying no to everything does not solve anything. They will get it one way or another. You also need to understand as to why India was freely allowed to operate in Afghanistan and used this opportunity to inflict alot of damage to Pakistan. Who knows maybe that was a punishment for Pakistan for not obeying more orders. If you are old enough you would remember how every single day US was constantly demanding Pakistan to do more. So what ever Musharraf did for US was not enough for them. Now just for a minute think what US would have done had Pakistan said No to all their demands or just provided them with intel and thats it. PTI needs to learn how to live in practical world and daydreaming in their own little fairytale world is not going to help them at all let alone the nation.

 

[flyingorca]

Grade 22 officers are servants of the nation, not leaders. That's the principle enshrined in the Constitution. Imran Khan is a political leader and his activities are constitutional. Field Marshall ruling the country through barrel of gun and having lunches with foreign heads of state is un-constitutional and always leads to bad results.

So all those Muslim warriors from 1200plus years of Muslim history who were leader of their land were unconstitutional according to PTI?

 

[Watandar]

So all those Muslim warriors from 1200plus years of Muslim history who were leader of their land were unconstitutional according to PTI?

Irrelevant as we are discussing Pakistan in 21st century.

 

[flyingorca]

Irrelevant as we are discussing Pakistan in 21st century.

So muslim leaders history is irrelevant to Pakistan now? But British raj era constitution is very relevant saaar. Democracy full support saaar.

 

[pashtunkoum]

If delusion had a face it would be PTI. what makes you think just because you had a democratically elected leader, US would settle with your conditions? Its like if you are getting robbed and you say that I will peacefully request the robber to spare me because I have to buy a new car. This is how stupid your argument sounds. You think US gives a F to your conditions? They wanted Pakistan to provide them with intel, and logistic support and as well as invole themselves in proxy war that was gifted to Pakistan with the approval of many other nations. Thats where your diplomacy skills comes into play which PTI has zero skills and are just loud mouth drama queens. Just saying no to everything does not solve anything. They will get it one way or another. You also need to understand as to why India was freely allowed to operate in Afghanistan and used this opportunity to inflict alot of damage to Pakistan. Who knows maybe that was a punishment for Pakistan for not obeying more orders. If you are old enough you would remember how every single day US was constantly demanding Pakistan to do more. So what ever Musharraf did for US was not enough for them. Now just for a minute think what US would have done had Pakistan said No to all their demands or just provided them with intel and thats it. PTI needs to learn how to live in practical world and daydreaming in their own little fairytale world is not going to help them at all let alone the nation.

You're again avoiding the reality.

1) USA had not attacked a democratic government for decades. It's not to say it couldn't happen but a political front has a lot more flexibility than a single figurehead on loose footing. This is basic geo politics. It's called strategic alliances not take what you want. At the end of the day PAKISTAN suffered.

2) India was not freely operating until later. Pakistan turned its back on assets and Musharraf sold out a few. Things changed.

3) Yes USA was demanding Pakistan to do more because when you become a total servant the master is never happy despite lost investment and lives. No country respects you. Only certain Pakistanis think Saluting trump and nominating him for a Nobel Peace prize is of any benefit.

4) "Now just for a minute think what US would have done had Pakistan said No to all their demands or just provided them with intel and thats it". You're extremely naive. It's not about saying "no" to demands. Pakistan went out of its way to turnover previously trusted assets and in some cases even framed innocents. America isn't going to get angry on what they don't know about.

In summary, cooperation with America was not wrong. The extent and manner in which Musharraf did so compromised Pakistans balance on the western border and strategic depth. A mistake Pakistan is paying for till this day.

The irony of calling IK supporters naive....

 

[Watandar]

So muslim leaders history is irrelevant to Pakistan now? But British raj era constitution is very relevant saaar. Democracy full support saaar.

Constitution of 1973 as voted on by Pakistanis is the only relevant document, yes.

 

[pashtunkoum]

So muslim leaders history is irrelevant to Pakistan now? But British raj era constitution is very relevant saaar. Democracy full support saaar.

^ I mean if this is the PTI "critique" that supporters supposedly run away from I don't blame them.

 

[Watandar]

You're again avoiding the reality.

1) USA had not attacked a democratic government for decades. It's not to say it couldn't happen but a political front has a lot more flexibility than a single figurehead on loose footing. This is basic geo politics. It's called strategic alliances not take what you want. At the end of the day PAKISTAN suffered.

2) India was not freely operating until later. Pakistan turned its back on assets and Musharraf sold out a few. Things changed.

3) Yes USA was demanding Pakistan to do more because when you become a total servant the master is never happy despite lost investment and lives. No country respects you. Only certain Pakistanis think Saluting trump and nominating him for a Nobel Peace prize is of any benefit.

4) "Now just for a minute think what US would have done had Pakistan said No to all their demands or just provided them with intel and thats it". You're extremely naive. It's not about saying "no" to demands. Pakistan went out of its way to turnover previously trusted assets and in some cases even framed innocents. America isn't going to get angry on what they don't know about.

In summary, cooperation with America was not wrong. The extent and manner in which Musharraf did so compromised Pakistans balance on the western border and strategic depth. A mistake Pakistan is paying for till this day.

The irony of calling IK supporters naive....

He is just being a troll, employing the tactic of distraction by provocation and we keep taking the bait. Look at what that troll has successfully done to this thread.

 

[pashtunkoum]

He is just being a troll, employing the tactic of distraction by provocation and we keep taking the bait. Look at what that troll has successfully done to this thread.

Agreed but he is exposing his own hypocrisy on so many levels.

I'm sure Pakistans "muslim leaders" would have dreamt of the day the PM went "saar I salute you saar. plz accept Nobel peace prize saar!"

As per our Prime Minister, Trump is the man who has brought PEACE to the region! Master class in foreign policy indeed....