PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment: News, Discussion & Updates

[HAIDER]

Disagree heavily on 5. prime minister should only be guarded by a separate secret service esque organisation. Let the Navy and Airforce worry about flying and sailing.

Order changed during Ayub Khan. Number 1 was Navy, 2 Air force and 3. Army.

 

[Cash gk]

What about after Imran Khan? Who will be the head of PTI, SMQ, Pervez Ellahi? Think long term. Army and ISI were 100% behind IK until his removal, due to major disagreements afterwards etc. Army should declare what they want, what kind of power they need and then allow the government's to function properly, allow major reforms etc. Bilawal is already waiting to be PM, the Badsha of Sindh.

Imran khan is not Pakistan… he is just a member of country and sign of Continuity, To progres. Do you think that the mothers of Pakistan are barren and they cannot give birth to children who can lead Pakistan after us… do you think it is Divine right for butoo and shrif family and army

 

[Cash gk]

What about after Imran Khan? Who will be the head of PTI, SMQ, Pervez Ellahi? Think long term. Army and ISI were 100% behind IK until his removal, due to major disagreements afterwards etc. Army should declare what they want, what kind of power they need and then allow the government's to function properly, allow major reforms etc. Bilawal is already waiting to be PM, the Badsha of Sindh.

This sums up everything

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[Wisdom]

Seems Imran Khan is the way forward for Pakistan.
Either way it’s equally beneficiary for us in India, considering IK’s history
There is a proverb in Hindi language….”Aage Khaayi, peeche kuwa”
Perfectly portrays the political circus within Pakistan

 

[Cash gk]

Seems Imran Khan is the way forward for Pakistan.
Either way it’s equally beneficiary for us in India, considering IK’s history
There is a proverb in Hindi language….”Aage Khaayi, peeche kuwa”
Perfectly portrays the political circus within Pakistan

He will remind you guys modi the hitler and 27 feb. Don’t jump init, it is our own matter

 

[Wisdom]

He will remind you guys modi the hitler and 27 feb. Don’t jump init, it is our own matter

You guys are very delusional…..having worked in Indian side of Punjab I can understand where this attitude/culture comes from.
IK was a laughing stock, though people respected him as a cricketer but unless IK has real power nothing is going to change in the ground.
You lot started an uprising with IK’s jailterm. You should have continued it.

 

[hyperman]

Navy and Air Force for Security: Assigning the Prime Minister’s House security to the Navy and Air Force creates a more balanced approach and reduces the concentration of power within the Army.

This should be done by a civilian agency.

The Secret Service in the United States isn't part of the Military. Its a civilian organization.

 

[RealNapster]

When in Power IK gave extension to Gen Bajwa. Right ?
Also IIRC tons of Retired official were appointed as various institute heads at that time.

He seems to learn from his mistakes. Can you say the same for Nawa Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, and Zardari ? Establishment ended their tenures multiple times even though they came through vote. But they still put all their confidence in establishment so that they can have one more turn and share power. What does it tell you about the alternatives to IK ?

 

[ziaulislam]

1. Merit-Based Army Chief Appointment: By aligning the appointment process with that of the Chief Justice, this promotes a transparent, seniority-based selection, reducing political influence and favouritism.
2. Ban on Extensions for Government Positions: This ensures that no official stays beyond their term, allowing for fresh leadership and preventing the monopolisation of power by certain individuals.
3. Restrict Military Involvement in Civilian Sectors: Preventing military officers from taking roles in civilian institutions would encourage merit-based recruitment and reduce military influence in non-defence sectors, thereby reinforcing civilian supremacy.
4. Separation of Military from Government Affairs: Closing the Military Secretary's office in the Prime Minister's House would further distance the military from political matters, ensuring that governance is led by elected representatives without undue influence from military officials.
5. Navy and Air Force for Security: Assigning the Prime Minister’s House security to the Navy and Air Force creates a more balanced approach and reduces the concentration of power within the Army.
6. Equal Benefits for All Officers: By ensuring equal healthcare, pensions, and educational opportunities for both civilian and military personnel, this promotes social justice and eliminates the stark inequalities between the two sectors.
7. Restrictions on Post-Retirement Jobs for Military Officers: Prohibiting retired officers from taking foreign jobs for 10 years would help retain national security integrity and reduce the potential for sensitive information leaks or conflicts of interest.
8. Restructuring ISI for National Interests: Adopting a civilian-led intelligence model would increase accountability and align intelligence operations more closely with national interests rather than military goals.
9. Civil and Judicial Reforms: These reforms could improve the efficiency and fairness of Pakistan's administrative and judicial systems by promoting merit-based recruitment and reducing nepotism.
10. Ban on Military Businesses: Ending military involvement in businesses could reduce the conflict of interest where military institutions are involved in both security and commercial activities. This would also encourage a more competitive civilian business sector.
11. Judicial Accountability via Whistleblower System: This would promote transparency and accountability in the judiciary, encouraging judges to act with integrity knowing their actions are being monitored.
12. Defence Budget Reduction: Cutting the defence budget by 50% would free up significant resources for social, economic, and infrastructure development, addressing urgent civilian needs such as health, education, and poverty alleviation.
13. Limiting ISPR’s role: Restricting ISPR to purely professional matters would reduce the military’s ability to shape public opinion and interfere in political discourse.
14. Revised Pakistan Studies Curriculum: Including lessons on democratic principles and the military’s historical role would foster a better understanding of democracy, encouraging future generations to prioritise democratic governance over authoritarianism.
15. Post-Retirement Job Ban for Judges and Bureaucrats: This would prevent conflicts of interest, reducing the likelihood of former officials using their past influence to benefit private enterprises or foreign entities.
16. Public Disclosure of Tax Returns: Making the tax returns of government officers public would enhance transparency, discourage corruption, and restore public trust in government officials.
17. Election Commission Reforms and Digital Voting: These reforms would strengthen the electoral system, ensuring fairer and more transparent elections, reducing rigging, and making it easier for citizens, especially overseas Pakistanis, to participate.
18. Overseas Pakistanis Voting System: Implementing a digital voting system for overseas Pakistanis would empower millions of expatriates to participate in elections, ensuring that their voices are heard in national decisions.
19. Improved Relations with Neighbouring Countries: Strengthening ties with regional powers such as India, China, and Iran would improve economic opportunities, regional stability, and diplomatic cooperation, contributing to overall growth and peace.
20. Economic Strength to Support Kashmir: Enhancing the country’s economic position would give Pakistan more leverage on the international stage to advocate for Kashmir and strengthen its negotiating power.
21. Support for Palestine: By supporting Palestine, Pakistan could align itself with global humanitarian efforts and take a more active role in advocating for oppressed communities, improving its international standing, especially among Muslim-majority nations.

Overall, the agenda aims to promote civilian control, transparency, accountability, and democratic values while reducing military interference in politics and governance. This could lead to more balanced governance, a stronger economy, and improved relations with both domestic institutions and international partners.

He should write a book so we can publish it after he dies or is exiled to london due to health issues

It would be fun read like "my brother"

 

[ziaulislam]

He seems to learn from his mistakes. Can you say the same for Nawa Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, and Zardari ? Establishment ended their tenures multiple times even though they came through vote. But they still put all their confidence in establishment so that they can have one more turn and share power. What does it tell you about the alternatives to IK ?

That ik has huge delusions regarding the people of Pakistan

 

[HRK]

What is source wo reported it ???

Anyway just for sake of Record my POV on the following points

Defence Budget Reduction: Cutting the defence budget by 50% would free up significant resources for social, economic, and infrastructure development, addressing urgent civilian needs such as health, education, and poverty alleviation.

Strongly disagree

Merit-Based Army Chief Appointment: By aligning the appointment process with that of the Chief Justice, this promotes a transparent, seniority-based selection, reducing political influence and favouritism.

Partially disagreement

Improved Relations with Neighbouring Countries: Strengthening ties with regional powers such as India, China, and Iran would improve economic opportunities, regional stability, and diplomatic cooperation, contributing to overall growth and peace.

How ????

Partially disagree

 

[onlinpunit]

He seems to learn from his mistakes. Can you say the same for Nawa Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, and Zardari ? Establishment ended their tenures multiple times even though they came through vote. But they still put all their confidence in establishment so that they can have one more turn and share power. What does it tell you about the alternatives to IK ?

I don't have a dog in this fight. In pakistan the establishment will remain the real thing for a foreseeable period of time. So who ever heads the civilian govt will toe the the line to an extent.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

These are all necessary reforms for the survival of the Pakistan State. You cannot continue in this "state".

They say, The pen is mightier than the sword. Once these ideas are put into writing, they will eventually be implemented. No matter how much blood is shed.

By the way, @Hakikat ve Hikmet; it would be great if you stopped attributing everything to RTE and your blind admiration for RTE. In Turkey, the army did not interfere much with civilian commercial life before RTE. In fact, in the RTE period, I think the Turkish army was filled with less qualified people than in the past.

Folks had gone through "28 February" tribulations followed by that by FETO. Reis may have shortcomings, but what he has done for the Muslims in Turkey can never be repaid no matter how much admiration is shown to him. The liberation of the Aya Sofia itself has broken 90 years of shackles around the body and seals on the soul.....

As for the military personnel and military industrial complex, he's witch hunted the FETO cliques. What more do you want? What were the success rates against PKK before FETO revolt and after that? I can't be blind to that.....

 

[Oscar]

There is more to be achieved by throwing water in the air to land on a pile of fecal matter than these rather utopian ideals a the failed state led by a morally, socially, ethically corrupt cabal of people representing disparate entities pretending to be part of a system.

None of these points offer anything to the weasels and jackals sitting in office in and out of uniform - and even if some will agree to it they will shrug their shoulders knowing their counterparts selfish interests and let it be

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

He seems to learn from his mistakes. Can you say the same for Nawa Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, and Zardari ? Establishment ended their tenures multiple times even though they came through vote. But they still put all their confidence in establishment so that they can have one more turn and share power. What does it tell you about the alternatives to IK ?

PMLN is in regression. An interesting tweet on their rehtoric from now and 2013.

While Zardari thing can be ignored as politics is still politics, it has shown it's true face by becoming a ANP variant in Punjab whose SMT brigades are openly ethno nats yet pretend to represent Pakistan

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