PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment: News, Discussion & Updates

[r3alist]

If only he goes against the colonial agenda which zia mistakenly did and the duffer Munira has no intention of doing.

Zia was on script

 

[Cash gk]

I don't have much confidence in the politicans and majority of the issues are because of their incompetence.

The army can't afford to wait for the squabbling politicans to reach a consensus. If it wasn't for the army Pakistan would have been as dysfunctional as a south american country.

We are heading into uncertain times. They should redirect the entire budget to the army so they can make ICBM, nuclear submarines and launch their own sattelites.

You mean 1971 you mean 1998 kargil. You mean stealing elections.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

I agree with her perspective on Afghanistan. To add to this, Nehru and Lord Mountbatten allowed the creation of Pakistan with the idea that it would act as a buffer state between Afghanistan and India. Historically, Indian policymakers were well aware of the challenges posed by Afghanistan. During the British occupation of India, Afghan raiders frequently caused trouble, and the region was difficult to control. Allowing Pakistan’s creation was seen as a strategic solution to these historical issues.
However, this strategy did not work in their favor, and in the last three years, the current incompetent army chief has disastrously shifted Pakistan’s foreign policy. Instead of maintaining Afghanistan as a neutral or cooperative neighbor, he has turned it into an enemy. This is a grave mistake. Historically, Pakistan has always considered India its primary adversary, but suddenly redirecting hostility towards Afghanistan is shortsighted and dangerous.
If we look at history, Afghanistan has always been the “graveyard of empires.” By antagonizing Afghanistan, this foolish leadership is further destabilizing Pakistan. One has to wonder—are they deliberately trying to destroy Pakistan?

If some foreign power invaded my country, took over my capital within a month, killed and displaced hundreds of thousands of my people, destroyed the infrastructure of my country, r*ped my women and locked up my people in detention centers, stayed for 20 years and left when their interests were fulfilled, and i was only able to inflict ~2k casualties within those 20 years…

I would think twice before calling my country the “graveyard of empires”, but that’s just me ig

Afghandu pathans survived on back of Pakistan support. Now if reports are true and we will support tajiks/hazaras against these namak harams then Kabul will be free of taliban hands in few years.

 

[Oscar]

Oh, absolutely, he’s very cunning—cunning enough to kill his own people right in front of Parliament and the Supreme Court while the whole world watched. Cunning enough to single-handedly destroy the army’s reputation among the people of Pakistan, something no external enemy could have achieved so effectively. And yes, so “cunning” that he uses intelligence resources not for strategic gains or protecting the country, but to spy on people’s private lives and make bedroom videos—what a shining example of brilliance!

His so-called “cunning” is nothing more than blatant incompetence wrapped in arrogance. A leader who thinks this kind of absurd manipulation counts as strategy is only proving how unfit and ridiculous he truly is. If this is their idea of cunning leadership, no wonder Pakistan finds itself in such a mess. It’s a comedy of errors, led by someone whose stupidity is rivaled only by his inflated ego.

But can anyone do something or even wants to do something?

It is an unfortunate reality but majority of people accept this system

Whether they accept it by praising it
Whether by shrugging it
Or frankly even by leaving

Majority of Pakistanis no longer care about Pakistan - tomorrow if Pakistan is broken up - and one part taken by General Allahditta or a small part by Chaudhry TeraDitta - the guy working in a factory who has to drop his kids off in a motorbike 20km away from school - doesn’t give a shit.

Everyone of PTIs leaders, these Generals , PML, PPPP or whatever Mullah party that comes has its leaders in 60s+ - while majority of your population is <35 - when you have representation you have some interest - right now the youth either wants out or just wants to survive. It’s plain psychology - which these idiots in charge don’t understand (or they do which is worse). This is what leads to a Syria -

 

[nahtanbob]

No - it’s more a case of cunning in playing what he knows. This is an entire OTS cabal that has made it to the top - they know moves within the political spectrum based on their understanding of what works and doesn’t work. They are rightly so completely inept when it comes to foreign policy and strategic affairs which is what Ayesha Siddiqua is alluding to.

Its a simple case of experience - the current leader is experienced in traditional political manipulation via his time in the agency with very little to show for in external relations or intelligence gathering beyond borders - leave aside any aspect of analysis.

Pakistani army biggest blunder was to mess the political situation. That did not start in 2022. That lasted for decades

 

[Distant_Observer]

You mean 1971 you mean 1998 kargil. You mean stealing elections.

You sound like an Indian. I trust the army more than any of these politicans.

They encapsulate the true meaning of Pakistani identity and ideology.

 

[Olympus81]

Some of you folks get too emotional.

Take a broader perspective of things. South Asia has seen alot of changes lately. Bangladesh has de-orbited from India’s sphere of influence. Afghanistan has taken over by Taliban. Pakistan is effectively under martial law. India is doing its best to lose its secular credentials and exploring Hindutva ideology.

Pakistan’s Afghan policy has been a net positive. NATO is out from Afghanistan along with Indian consulates. The border has been fenced and is doing its part. The negatives are the TTP is still a major pain and actions against the TTP and remnants has not been effective enough.

The situation at the moment is not all doom and gloom. The establishment needs to keep engaging these cucks, no matter how much one hates them. And all options need to be on table.

Then you’ve got the vested interests within the ISI who’re still high on a unified Central Asian republic or using them the Afghans as your proxy as some sort of an entitlement. In addition, there are corrupt elements within the establishment who are knee deep into oil smuggling and smuggling of other goods. These have to be done away with.

If the current establishment side steps from the current policy they’ll have to deal with a Pashton nationalism, extremism and a host of other issues. It doesn’t look like there is a policy u-turn as yet. Ayesha Siddiqui said the establishment is engaging the ex NA. If that’s the case then that’s very disturbing and a duffer move.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

If the current establishment side steps from the current policy they’ll have to deal with a Pashton nationalism, extremism and a host of other issues. It doesn’t look like there is a policy u-turn as yet. Ayesha Siddiqui said the establishment is engaging the ex NA. If that’s the case then that’s very disturbing and a duffer move.

Besides making an enemy out of your second largest ethnicity, the tajiks even after using Pakistani leverage to claw themselves back in power may not reciprocate. Their elders had known people, worked and trained in Pakistan while current crop has only resentment towards Pakistan.
For a step forward prepare to take two back.

 

[Olympus81]

Besides making an enemy out of your second largest ethnicity, the tajiks even after using Pakistani leverage to claw themselves back in power may not reciprocate. Their elders had known people, worked and trained in Pakistan while current crop has only resentment towards Pakistan.
For a step forward prepare to take two back.

You are right.

The military establishment will be committing a cardinal sin if they want to side step the Taliban and work on getting all ex NA under one umbrella and give legitimacy to these folks at the expense of the Afghan Taliban.

I understand all the anger and shenanigans, inviting Malala as a poster girl while they make these policy changes. But this policy change will come back to haunt Pakistan for decades to come.

What will be achieved by this? Will the TTP attacks stop? Will the hate towards Pakistan stop? Will they stop exporting extremism into Pakistan?

Seriously mate. Wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[Cash gk]

You sound like an Indian. I trust the army more than any of these politicans.

They encapsulate the true meaning of Pakistani identity and ideology.

بہن چود اب ہم انڈین ہو کے

 

[Cash gk]

A senior member of the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) was summoned to an important office and was verbally reprimanded over the protests being staged in Sindh regarding the canal excavation issue in Punjab.

He responded by saying, “Sir, you can excavate the canals, but please let us continue protesting, or else our vote bank will decrease.”

This means the PPP is actually on board with the canal excavation, and the protests in Sindh are merely a tactic to promote provincialism and protect their vote bank.

In reality, Bilawal, his father, and the entire party are on the same page and secretly support the canal excavation project.

 

[SaadH]

Zia was on script

Not quite, especially towards the end. Defied them on nuclear issue, then on how the Afghan jihad was to be concluded, all of which was undone as the real CIA asset Benazir came on the scene...

Zia's designs beyond south asia and into central asia really alarmed the americans and it was finally time for him to go.

 

[SaadH]

A senior member of the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) was summoned to an important office and was verbally reprimanded over the protests being staged in Sindh regarding the canal excavation issue in Punjab.

He responded by saying, “Sir, you can excavate the canals, but please let us continue protesting, or else our vote bank will decrease.”

This means the PPP is actually on board with the canal excavation, and the protests in Sindh are merely a tactic to promote provincialism and protect their vote bank.

In reality, Bilawal, his father, and the entire party are on the same page and secretly support the canal excavation project.

PPP has been duffers' A team going back to the days when Bhutto literally sat on Ayub's lap and called him daddy.

 

[SaadH]

Some of you folks get too emotional.

Take a broader perspective of things. South Asia has seen alot of changes lately. Bangladesh has de-orbited from India’s sphere of influence. Afghanistan has taken over by Taliban. Pakistan is effectively under martial law. India is doing its best to lose its secular credentials and exploring Hindutva ideology.

Pakistan’s Afghan policy has been a net positive. NATO is out from Afghanistan along with Indian consulates. The border has been fenced and is doing its part. The negatives are the TTP is still a major pain and actions against the TTP and remnants has not been effective enough.

The situation at the moment is not all doom and gloom. The establishment needs to keep engaging these cucks, no matter how much one hates them. And all options need to be on table.

Then you’ve got the vested interests within the ISI who’re still high on a unified Central Asian republic or using them the Afghans as your proxy as some sort of an entitlement. In addition, there are corrupt elements within the establishment who are knee deep into oil smuggling and smuggling of other goods. These have to be done away with.

If the current establishment side steps from the current policy they’ll have to deal with a Pashton nationalism, extremism and a host of other issues. It doesn’t look like there is a policy u-turn as yet. Ayesha Siddiqui said the establishment is engaging the ex NA. If that’s the case then that’s very disturbing and a duffer move.

Bajwa put Pakistan directly in Indian orbit. Duffers are now collaborating with Indian lobbyist in DC to counter PTI/IK. This is on form as they've been operating under hindutva masters' ORBAT ever since Bajwa lamented on not having enough diesel for his tanks to fight India.

 

[OakTree23]

You sound like an Indian. I trust the army more than any of these politicans.

They encapsulate the true meaning of Pakistani identity and ideology.

Why do you have to pick one? They are all corrupt and highly incompetent. I’m not a fan of IK but his rule started to make Pakistan a nation state and unified a nation out of a growing middle class. If you fools have any idea on how modern nation states are built, but you’re too busy stuck in the 1800s with on one feudal lord making all the decisions and blocking organic growth.

Shame on you