PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[Xestan]

Just look up numbers between 2004 to 2018. TTP was doing havoc in all over Pakistan. They had siezed territory in tribal regions and even reached till Swat.

ISPR and Army was telling us they are able to do it because they have FULL support of Afghan territory and RAW / NDS Support. Just listen to old prevez musharraf interviews and see old news, old ISPR statements. How we have such short memory??

I don't have to look up the numbers. I have them on my finger tips since I have lived through this war.

Terrorism in Pakistan hit its lowest in 2016 after Operation Zarb-Azb and 5 other major ops in last 6 years.

It stayed low till 2021, when Taliban took power. They literally released TTP terrorists who were in Jail in Afghanistan. And now Noor Wali Mehsud enjoys the status of a state guest there.

 

[Xestan]

That’s exactly what Imran Khan has been saying for the last 20 years, but he has been labeled 'Taliban Khan' by the military (and its fan boys) in their Bughaz-e-Imran.

Imagine if we had listened to Imran Khan when Military was about to launch Swat operation in May 2009.

TTP would have controlled territory till Islamabad by now. Thank God for Operation Raah-e-Raast.

 

[Meengla]

Ideological justification will change with time, but the goal remains the same. Wonder why TTP's demand for peace was to reverse FATA merger?

This is all about acquiring territory as a State within the State of Pakistan and imposing 'Shariat' there. There is no ambiguity about the terrorists' demands. And anyone giving them ideological oxygen, which the Messiah Khan has been giving for decades, is an opportunist anti-Pakistan person using ethnic cards for political gains. @Irfan Baloch said that quite well above.

 

[safriz]

We understand what Imran Khan says. These funny attempts of misguiding people won't work

 

[Xestan]

This is all about acquiring territory as a State within the State of Pakistan and imposing 'Shariat' there. There is no ambiguity about the terrorists' demands. And anyone giving them ideological oxygen, which the Messiah Khan has been giving for decades, is an opportunist anti-Pakistan person using ethnic cards for political gains. @Irfan Baloch said that quite well above.

Talks actually fell out on this one condition. TTP terrorist leadership was not willing to compromise on this. When the delegation came back from Kabul, small scale incursions started the next week from Afghanistan.

 

[PakAl]

World powers can go to hell. Any sane Pakistani would want the Taliban government to collapse right now, for what they have been doing to Pakistan for last 3 years.

We recently sent 53 Afghan TTP bodies back to their country. There's a literal war being waged against Pakistan by Taliban.

But Pakistan is close to the Haqqani network and they're part of the Taliban government. I don't think Taliban have full control of Afghanistan, just like Nato/previous Afghan government could not control militancy, the Taliban also cannot. They already issued fatwa that jihad has finished. Obviously cannot prove if it's propaganda or the truth.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Imagine if we had listened to Imran Khan when Military was about to launch Swat operation in May 2009.

TTP would have controlled territory till Islamabad by now. Thank God for Operation Raah-e-Raast.

No one listens to politicians in Pakistan as far as security is concerned.

No one listened in East Pakistan.

No one will ever listen here in mainland. So its a futile discussion.

GHQ will make foreign policy, GHQ will make economic & agriculture policy and by all means GHQ will take security decisions. No need to worry.

Okay If I assume that problem is Taliban and not previous afghan administration then My only concern is that WHY Pak Army / ISPR lied to us and gave us an impression that Tailban were good guys between 2001 to 2021 ??

Why ISPR told us time and again that RAW & NDS nexus in Afghanistan is doing terror attacks in Pakistan and funding TTP ?? Why they were such a liars??

 

[PakAl]

That's a very bold claim. Pakistan has been able to conduct intelligence based operations after previous government declared victory over terrorism.

Why do you guys want to reverse time and space in every of your arguments? Any idea who deleted my post?

I am asking, I don't know where the militants are, are they in the mountains, villages, do they have own base, or do they come from Afghanistan.

 

[Xestan]

But Pakistan is close to the Haqqani network and they're part of the Taliban government. I don't think Taliban have full control of Afghanistan, just like Nato/previous Afghan government could not control militancy, the Taliban also cannot. They already issued fatwa that jihad has finished. Obviously cannot prove if it's propaganda or the truth.

You'll be surprised to see how much Haqqani Network is recruiting for TTP.

Anas Haqqani once prayed behind Hakimullah Mehsud and TTP released that video. They are all one and the same.

 

[Meengla]

Talks actually fell out on this one condition. TTP terrorist leadership was not willing to compromise on this. When the delegation came back from Kabul, small scale incursions started the next week from Afghanistan.

For sure, had the major operations in Malakand Division not started in late 2000s the terrorists, with their strong foothold in M-D, would have marched onto other parts of Pakistan; they were literally a day's march from Pakistan's capital. Their oxygen is this hypocrite Imran Khan who uses a dangerous combination of religion and ethnic connection to advance his political goals. And yet the overseas Pakistanis, especially in Western countries, fall for this charlatan. Mind boggling naivete.

 

[Forsvaret]

TTP would have controlled territory till Islamabad by now. Thank God for Operation Raah-e-Raast.

Military does what it can: military operations to physically eliminate the terrorists from Pakistan’s territory. Afterwards, it’s the job of intelligence agencies to make sure they don’t regroup and relaunch their attacks. The failure here is not Imran Khan’s. Blame it on the ones in charge of nation’s security and securing the country’s borders from outside infiltration.

 

[Xestan]

No one listens to politicians in Pakistan as far as security is concerned.

No one listened in East Pakistan.

No one will ever listen here in mainland. So its a futile discussion.

GHQ will make foreign policy, GHQ will make economic & agriculture policy and by all means GHQ will take security decisions. No need to worry.

Okay If I assume that problem is Taliban and not previous afghan administration then My only concern is that WHY Pak Army / ISPR lied to us and gave us an impression that Tailban were good guys between 2001 to 2021 ??

Why ISPR told us time and again that RAW & NDS nexus in Afghanistan is doing terror attacks in Pakistan and funding TTP ?? Why they were such a liars??

Well, I can talk about myself. You can read through my forum history for last 16 years, I have always been against Taliban's coming back into power. Those who thought that Taliban would actually control TTP were always wrong.

TTP's operations even in the early 2010s were all coordinated with Taliban. TTP used to provide manpower for a lot of attacks in Afghanistan and Taliban are now returning the favour.

Those who brought TTP terrorists back to our country and started the negotiations in 2021 are all traitors of this nation, no matter where they were sitting at that time, Abpara, GHQ or the PM House.

 

[Xestan]

Military does what it can: military operations to physically eliminate the terrorists from Pakistan’s territory. Afterwards, it’s the job of intelligence agencies to make sure they don’t regroup and relaunch their attacks. The failure here is not Imran Khan’s. Blame on the ones responsible in charge with safeguarding nation’s security and securing its borders from outside infiltration.

Don't shift the goalpost. You said IK's right about not wanting Military Ops. I just quoted you an example where he was wrong. If he had listened to him, Pakistan would still be under terrorism like 2007 and 2011.

 

[PakAl]

And for good reason. The intelligence agencies are rather busy doing political engineering against Imran Khan and his PTI instead of doing their job; stop TTP infiltration of Pakistan.

It's a valid question aswell. Before we knew tribal areas are full of militants, and they even controlled Swat and Malakhand region. But we had dozen of military operations and were told they all ran off to Afghanistan. Today these areas are full of our military, police, fcr, agencies but somehow militants keep coming back. Pakistan must plan for one full final operation, and afterwards build the areas, make sure no militants come back, and ofcourse covert target operations must continue if any threats emerge.

 

[Areesh]

You must be living on mars if you didnt notice relative peace in Pakistan during IK tenure, its only after him generals got their wishes back on track, the war on terror.

Lol

Source: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...but-the-underlying-roots-of-extremism-remain/

Decline in terror attacks had nothing to do with IK

In fact terrorism started to go down since 2014 and same trend continued when IK became PM in August 2018. It is only after Kabul was conquered by Taliban in August 2021 that terrorism again saw an upward trend. Same Taliban who IK says have broken shackles of slavery and whom IK is dying to talk to