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[Olympus81]

This is all a very valid criticism and all your questions are valid

Imran khan doesn't do valid criticism. He simply creates obfuscation and confusion for TTP. He has been doing this nonsense for past twenty years and is still doing the same even now shamelessly

I dont think Imran Khan mentioned TTP explicitly but if he said that the narrative not the right one. You are right. This only creates confusion and denies the consensus to take the militants head on.

My personal opinion is that justice needs to prevail. Tribalism, warlords, people stifling basic human rights, spreading terror, abetting terror, taking law into their own hands have to be dealt with.

Even if the state with current hodgepodge setup does the right thing wont be able to gain consensus as they are not the representative of the people. This is a sad reality.

 

[Xestan]

Well, Its a straight up lie. People of Swat did MASSIVE protests long after Imran khan was out of power and in Jail. Putting allegations on PTI/Imran khan on security matter is the most bias remark ever. You really think GHQ gives any damn about what politicians have to say regarding security matters?? They don't hear you out even in Foreign policy, economy or agriculture.... Do you think army will listen or obeys anything you say on their domain (security) ??

Why are you being so bias ??

Secondly, what other good options we have in Afghanistan if not Taliban?? Let's be practical for a moment. Its very easy to critisize someone but bring out practical talk. Do you remember the alternate / northern alliance behavior during Ashraf Ghani / Amrullah Saleh tenure ?? They use to humiliate / abuse Pakistan at world stage. hugging indians, india doing investments in Afghanistan, opening up so many consulates and RAW presense. The same ISPR use to tell us for decades that indians & afghan agencies (raw and nds) funding TTP. So ISPR was lying to us for last 20 years ??
Lastly, Taliban defeated northern alliance and americans. They took over in hours when americans left. That means they are legit & credible power in afghanistan with no challenger in sight. Its pure COMMON sense and LOGIC to partner up with them. The 300,000 Afghan national army ran away in instant because Taliban had local support. Taliban are pashtuns. We have pashtuns here at our side. What is the practical approach here ? think for yourself. So members here are saying we go against Taliban, create a nightmare of security at our longest border and then bring even bigger evil in afghanistan ?? and move around a whole circle ? Is this your way out ?

Ashraf Ghani government was 10 times better than the Taliban. Numbers speak for themselves. Since 2021, we have hit the highest casualty figures for security forces in more than a decade.

You can't have ideological brothers of your biggest terrorist group rule a whole country next door. This is only going to result in more and more terrorists being sent your way.

 

[PakAl]

Basically the state has failed to build on Raheel Sharifs success.

1. The fencing and manning of the border was ineffective
2. The local security agencies don't have the manpower and the intelligence base to prevent the regrouping and rearming of this terrorist group.

Addressing and correcting these failures are 100 times more important than another operation, unfortunately however, targeted action against militants is required.

So Pakistan army starts big military operations to destroy terrorists, villages by villages, and after a few years the militants slowly crawl back, and the military, agencies don't have enough manpower to keep an eye out for them. Militant regrouped and start hit and run tactics, killing our people and army and we are back to square one. And everytime we do military operations, innocent die, people lives are affected, houses destroyed and this creates more hatred, more recruitment for militants. This has been repeated for 20 years. Sounds like a big mess but I agree, those who have arms, are killing soldiers and civilians must be finished off but like you said afterwards Pakistan needs to make sure they deal with it properly.

FCR, Levies need to be abolished, we need KPK rangers, with special intelligence and insurgency wing, they need the best equipment to deal with terrorism, they also need to be trained in people management to bring locals on board etc.

 

[Forsvaret]

There is something really wrong here and the public is being constantly kept in the dark. How come after multiple operations, these cucks refuse to be eliminated?

Because survival of these militants ultimately justify the very existence of Pakistan’s military in its presence form. If those cucks were completely eliminated on the grass root level after some political solution, Pakistan as a permanent security state would simply cease to exist.

 

[El Sidd]

Ashraf Ghani government was 10 times better than the Taliban. Numbers speak for themselves. Since 2021, we have hit the highest casualty figures for security forces in more than a decade.

You can't have ideological brothers of your biggest terrorist group rule a whole country next door. This is only going to result in more and more terrorists being sent your way.

Why then let them rule a province? That's just racist

 

[hussain0216]

BULLSHIT

The Afghans are a avowed enemy, if this was a simple misunderstanding that could be resolved then great, let's resolve it

But it isn't, it's a pattern of attack and fassad that has been ongoing since the 1940s

The Afghans think they own a part of Pakistan so they are creating this chaos and conflict


When they are in pain and being hunted down they will start lying low, but as soon as they are given space they will raise their heads and start the chaos and terrorism again

THAT IS FACT



We no longer have the option of just negotiations, that won't do anything except brining temporary respite

We need WAR, we need CONFLICT and we need to use our military might in its full force against this enemy of needs be

The TTP either need to surrender or be wiped completely out


We cannot have dodgy agreements with Afghan terrorists, that don't mean anything , because in a few years time we will be back to square one


We are doing stupid things over and over again, when we would never tolerate this with the Hindus or anyone else


Kick out all the Afghan refugees
Look at all identity cards and kick out anyone who has broken the law and obtained false documents
End the smuggling
Ramp up border control
And hunt down TTP and all supporters,
KILL ON SITE , No legal system.or options
Torture captured afghans to obtain information
.
They are a enemy as bad the Indians, don't treat this enemy like a naraz relative that you can negotiate with

 

[Xestan]

Why then let them rule a province? That's just racist

Valid point. I can't agree more.

 

[Taimoor]

Well, Its a straight up lie. People of Swat did MASSIVE protests long after Imran khan was out of power and in Jail. Putting allegations on PTI/Imran khan on security matter is the most bias remark ever. You really think GHQ gives any damn about what politicians have to say regarding security matters?? They don't hear you out even in Foreign policy, economy or agriculture.... Do you think army will listen or obeys anything you say on their domain (security) ??

Why are you being so bias ??

Secondly, what other good options we have in Afghanistan if not Taliban?? Let's be practical for a moment. Its very easy to critisize someone but bring out practical talk. Do you remember the alternate / northern alliance behavior during Ashraf Ghani / Amrullah Saleh tenure ?? They use to humiliate / abuse Pakistan at world stage. hugging indians, india doing investments in Afghanistan, opening up so many consulates and RAW presense. The same ISPR use to tell us for decades that indians & afghan agencies (raw and nds) funding TTP. So ISPR was lying to us for last 20 years ??
Lastly, Taliban defeated northern alliance and americans. They took over in hours when americans left. That means they are legit & credible power in afghanistan with no challenger in sight. Its pure COMMON sense and LOGIC to partner up with them. The 300,000 Afghan national army ran away in instant because Taliban had local support. Taliban are pashtuns. We have pashtuns here at our side. What is the practical approach here ? think for yourself. So members here are saying we go against Taliban, create a nightmare of security at our longest border and then bring even bigger evil in afghanistan ?? and move around a whole circle ? Is this your way out ?

If I were you, I wont be wasting my time with this character.

 

[Areesh]

Arent we already doing this for last how many bloody years? Whats the outcome? Maybe, just maybe, there is more to it that meets the eye?

I ask you again, what was the terrorism situation in Pakistan when IK was in power and how it tuned when he was removed. We are looking at tangible results here, not our biased or unbiased opinions.

It isn't about may or not may be

There is no other solution when you like it or not. Pakistan would have to defeat TTP militarily and ensure that it has no space both inside Pakistan and outside Pakistan to defeat TTP

As for situation under IK. TTP was pretty much active under IK and was also conducting terrorist attack even when he was PM. This is just another lie that TTP stopped terroris when IK was prime minister

 

[PakAl]

Imran has for decades described taliban as own brothers. he allowed their settlement back despite the protests by people of sawat. he wants to negotiate with these throat slitters who blow up schools and mosques. whether or not this news item is versified., Imran has on record expressed his position. he banks on their support this is why no secular party is allowed election rallies in KP and PTI uses ethnic and religious card in KP.

Do militants hold territories like before or are they hiding in villages, planning attacks and then back to hiding. Also you remember when back in the days PPP and ANP were targeted by terrorists, PPP and Anp could not even hold political rallies, and many leaders were killed.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Ashraf Ghani government was 10 times better than the Taliban. Numbers speak for themselves. Since 2021, we have hit the highest casualty figures for security forces in more than a decade.

You can't have ideological brothers of your biggest terrorist group rule a whole country next door. This is only going to result in more and more terrorists being sent your way.

Just look up numbers between 2004 to 2018. TTP was doing havoc in all over Pakistan. They had siezed territory in tribal regions and even reached till Swat.

ISPR and Army was telling us they are able to do it because they have FULL support of Afghan territory and RAW / NDS Support. Just listen to old prevez musharraf interviews and see old news, old ISPR statements. How we have such short memory??

 

[Meengla]

You kill them, they escape to another country, regroup and reemerge some time later. This cycle of violence continues unabated in the absence of a permanent political solution to the conflict.

The 'political solution' you keep alluding to is very simple: The militants want a sizable territory inside Pakistan where they would establish their version of Shariat, just like they did in mid-late 2000s in parts of Malakand Division. You and others should really really start paying attention to what happened to the peaceful Swat Valley then and what would happen if a 'political solution' is found.
The terrorists simply refuse the authority of the State of Pakistan and the Pakistani sociopolitical system.

 

[Taimoor]

It isn't about may or not may be

There is no other solution when you like it or not. Pakistan would have to defeat TTP militarily and ensure that it has no space both inside Pakistan and outside Pakistan to defeat TTP

As for situation under IK. TTP was pretty much active under IK and was also conducting terrorist attack even when he was PM. This is just another lie that TTP stopped terroris when IK was prime minister

You must be living on mars if you didnt notice relative peace in Pakistan during IK tenure, its only after him generals got their wishes back on track, the war on terror.

 

[Xestan]

Because survival of these militants ultimately justify the very existence of Pakistan’s military in its presence form. If they were completely eliminated on the grass root level after a political solution, Pakistan as a permanent security state would simply cease to exist.

No. If you had read some history, which Imran Khan also needs a lesson in, you'd know that Afghans have always waged a war against Pakistan since our inception.

Faqir of Ipi in the 50s
Direct invasion in 60s
Still sending terrorists in the 70s

They went quiet because of Soviets and the war for 2 decades but then it resumed in 2001.

Now, after 2021, Taliban have given their backing to TTP to advance historic Afghan agenda of reclaiming land till Attock.

Ideological justification will change with time, but the goal remains the same. Wonder why TTP's demand for peace was to reverse FATA merger?

 

[Forsvaret]

So Pakistan army starts big military operations to destroy terrorists, villages by villages, and after a few years the militants slowly crawl back, and the military, agencies don't have enough manpower to keep an eye out for them. Militant regrouped and start hit and run tactics, killing our people and army and we are back to square one. And everytime we do military operations, innocent die, people lives are affected, houses destroyed and this creates more hatred, more recruitment for militants. This has been repeated for 20 years. Sounds like a big mess but I agree, those who have arms, are killing soldiers and civilians must be finished off but like you said afterwards Pakistan needs to make sure they deal with it properly.

That’s exactly what Imran Khan has been saying for the last 20 years, but he has been labeled 'Taliban Khan' by the military (and its fan boys) in their Bughaz-e-Imran.