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[KingQamaR]

Imran wants negotiations not with these terrorists but those harboring them, namely the govt in Afghanistan.

The Kabul moron governments see these TTP terrorists fighting to free there homeland KP areas. IM SORRY they see this cause is justified. Essentially , Imran khans talks with Kabul will be a waste of time, and energy. Meanwhile terrorists will continue.

 

[Suresh Naresh]

But we all know that peace is not in the best interests of Fauj as it’d render their idea of Pakistan as a permanent security state irrelevant.

This line is so reminiscent of what Indians say about Pakistan army. Is this member Indian?

@El Sidd @Fatman17

 

[Fatman17]

This line is so reminiscent of what Indians say about Pakistan army. Is this member Indian?

@El Sidd @Fatman17

No

 

[Forsvaret]

Whole world calls it an international border

Then take it up with Afghan govt that harbors terrorists who do not recognize this as an international border.

 

[Distant_Observer]

For the people who want to avoid a military solution, what is the way? Tell me step by step how to resolve this.

 

[Forsvaret]

Support during 80s was against the soviets and many other intel agencies were involved.

Pakistani Fauj had NO business waging war against Soviets in Afghanistan and later waging US war on terror in Afghanistan. Pakistan on both occasions became a de facto western proxy. If there is someone to blame for this debacle, it’s Fauj and its poor short term policies.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Pakistani Fauj had NO business waging war against Soviets in Afghanistan and later waging US war on terror in Afghanistan. Pakistan on both occasions became a de facto western proxy. If there is someone to blame for this debacle, it’s Fauj and its poor short term policies.

Agreed. But that still doesn't justify what has been happening for the last 20 years.

 

[Forsvaret]

For the people who want to avoid a military solution, what is the way? Tell me step by step how to resolve this.

You first convince Afghan govt to stop harboring these terrorists or expect a full blown war with Pakistan. If the talks fail, only then go for the military action against both the terrorists and those harboring them (Afghan govt).

 

[Pak-Warrior]

@Forsvaret @Distant_Observer @Areesh @Meengla @hydrabadi_arab @Goenitz and ALL..

I will request ALL members to think about solutions for the Afghan problem in practical ways. Do not think of it from your political affiliations or political point scorings.

We need to keep some facts in our minds when we are devising a solution.

- We share some 2700 KM border with Afghanistan, the most challenging border with very difficult terrain.
- There are relations across the border. Marriages and stuff. The HUGE area of ex-FATA especially
- Pakistan has largest pashtun population
- Most powerful group in AFG is Taliban which controls the entirety of the country.
- The former group (northern alliance) could only be brought into power because of US military. They were not powerful enough to hold territory and were crumbled in split seconds as US left.
- The former group (NA) was 1000% PRO-indian. Taliban is not pro-indian.
- Terrorism in Pakistan started and peaked when norther alliance was in power and there was a free pass given to RAW to operate and use Afghan soil. ISPR past statements ALWAYS mentioned that RAW-NDS nexus is funding TTP.
- Our most biggest threat sits at other side, at the eastern border. So is our force concentration.
- TTP has safe heavens in AFG.

These are the barebones of our afghan problem. We can't seal the border as its technologically / economically impossible. Even US with all its economy / technology cannot seal its mexican border till date. Ours is more complex border. So we are left with very few options. We have to keep our economy in mind.

So when we keep all these things in mind, only then we will be able to devise a practical solution of Afghan problem. Keep this discussion practical and non-political.


My solution: Was always to improve our intelligence services, Send ISI agents. Who build their intelligence network in Afghanistan. Only that is the key. We share the big border. We can infiltrate and use it to our advantage as well. But we don't need to go guns blazing. We need to find locations, identities and once we have resources enough to gather such info then neutralizing is not a problem. That looks to me more effective approach Instead of making entire Taliban or entire AFG as enemy.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Do not think of it from your political affiliations or political point scorings.

I don't have any political affilitations.

 

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[Xestan]

Khan was right. They are making Afghanistan enemy. The result can be an enticed response from Afghanistan etc to open another front.

میں بغیر کسی ابہام کے کہتا ہوں کہ افغانستان ایک دشمن ملک ہے، یہ پاکستان کو تسلیم کرنے والا آخری ملک تھا، ساری دنیا نے تسلیم کر لیا تھا، اس نے سب سے آخر میں تسلیم کیا تھا، وزیر دفاع خواجہ آصف​

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Yes, when the a state keeps sending its citizens to attack another state, it needs to be treated as an enemy.

Taliban Transfer Bodies Of 50 TTP Fighters Killed In Pakistan To Afghanistan

The Taliban are transferring the bodies of 50 Afghan fighters linked to Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) back into Afghanistan after they were killed in clashes with the Pakistani military, sources told Afghanistan International.

www.afintl.com

 

[Olympus81]

I dont see the need for politicizing the issue.

Fauj or PMLN or PTI supporters cannot resort to one-upmanship on this issue.

The problem is complex and there are multiple conflicting interests at play here. So stop polluting the thread with trolling each other.

 

[Olympus81]

The Afghan problem surfaced from Pakistan’s security establishment idea of seeing Afghanistan as an extension of Pakistan. Hence, Zia and co did not go the way of a plan to return Afghans back to their homeland post Afghan war.

Then post Zia, the politicians with security establishment’s policy were oblivious to this problem. You had second generation Afghans educated in madrassahs, which Pakistan failed to manage, producing students completely ignorant of how the world works. The Bamiyan Buddha, multiple massacres of Afghans that did not conform to their line of thought etc.

The Taliban, despite being liability were nurtured. And worse, their seminaries and supporters allowed to operate freely inside Pakistan.

9/11 happened, and the security establishment’s hand was forced. Eventually, the jugaarus that Pakistanis are, thought they could double play the world. Alot of the boys in higher up positions got rich, earned their way through mansions in Texas and Florida. Pakistan’s sovereignty was a small price to pay in exchange for US drone strikes. Moreover, Hussain Haqqani and company kept on giving free visas to Blackwater ops. And then Osama raid happened and the world wide insult that accompanied.

You had APS incident, takeover of Swat, multiple TTP strikes, suicide bombs, but failed to see the folly of the support of Taliban, TTP, Haqqani group, <add as needed> obscurantist forces.

The boys then, by a stroke of luck, saw the folly of their past decisions, hence started an operation to clear out the terrorists. And then another one operation. But failed to back it up with meaningful reconciliation and capacity for locals to govern.

While all this was happening, hopes were pinned on Afghanistan and Ghani’s exit would culminate in Taliban gifting their TTP cousins to Pakistan on a platter. That didn’t happen ofcourse.

So now here we are. Politicians calling for revisiting of Afghan policy being called traitors.

My aim here is not to blame anyone. But just understand the context and connect the dots to see what is happening.

I will ofcourse come back with solutions, if time allows in the coming days.

 

[ziaulislam]

“The operation in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa should be stopped immediately. At one time in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the ANP was made unpopular. Instead of improving the situation, military operations against our own people only to please external forces make things worse. In these operations, our security forces are killed on one side and our own citizens on the other. Killing our own people always increases terrorism. The drone attacks on our side in Afghanistan and Pakistan should be stopped immediately.

I direct all the provincial and national assembly members and senators of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa to sit together and resist for peace in the province and to stop the operations and drone attacks against our own people so that this problem can be resolved peacefully. On the one hand, people are facing floods and inflation and they will also face an operation, which is very painful. History is a witness that there is no permanent solution to peace except through negotiations.

Afghanistan is our brotherly Muslim country. Afghan refugees have been living here for three generations. When the Prophet (peace be upon him) migrated to Medina, Everyone opened their doors for them and that is why Ansar Medina is respected till date but we made the land narrow for our Muslim brothers. Pushing and expelling the refugees is very sad. Asim Munir is doing all this to please the anti-Taliban lobby and is deliberately imposing war where there is no war. These steps should be stopped immediately otherwise the situation will worsen further”

Former Prime Minister Imran Khan’s conversation with his sisters in Adiala Jail. September 10, 2025

Who cares what a dead man walking wants