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[VCheng]

However, a potential representation, agency in how the country is positioned and led - and more importantly truly qualified people leading important institutions and departments was a hope I saw through PTI and despite fumbles there were situations where you actually had those individuals.

Remember what I always used to say (and was hated was saying it)?

Naya Pakistan will be the same as Purana Pakistan.

Moonshine in a fancy bottle can only dream of being a fine aged whiskey no matter how long it remains in it.

It all starts with the quality of the grapes and the soil that grows them ... ...

 

[hnn]

I was never one for idols or messiahs - Pakistan has not had an honest one since Jinnah.

However, a potential representation, agency in how the country is positioned and led - and more importantly truly qualified people leading important institutions and departments was a hope I saw through PTI and despite fumbles there were situations where you actually had those individuals.

Unfortunately, for political points and then also the typical sycophants guiding egos along with the typical mediocre military men (the best of Pakistan military more often than not keeps to their job and focuses on making impact in what they know best) showed by 2021 that things wont work out well.

The entire PDM saga and cipher and so on was utterly unnecessary because the reading by late 21 and early 22 was already that PTI government has flopped and they were trying out the usual suspects for stability and so on.

We all knew it but just to NOT GET THE SCUM in PML or PPP were doing the best to present some positive spin not because of IK but because PTI meant something to the educated middle class.

That really is the reason for lamenting its demise.

All in all, it was an experiment done prematurely and it blew up in the faces of the experimenters. IK certainly had the "rizzz" but it was just a one night stand and the fantasy of a long stable relationship faded come morning

 

[Meengla]

Then let them kill their god themselves. All we have to do is wait and watch patiently

Well, I would have much much liked PTI to become a potent force under a capable leadership. Alas, it has turned out to be a One Man party where the 'leader' is the absolute monarch with too much self-esteem to even groom a protege. Such tendencies existed in PPP with ZAB/Benazir and the Noonies (Nawaz) but those parties have been beaten back, tamed to be mere 'clerical' Yes Men. And nothing wrong with that!! They better shape up, do the 'governance' as well as possible, within the confines of the typical 3rd World Corruption Paradigm. That's all that's been expected of them. Nothing revolutionaries. Something 'Good Enough' or 'As Good as it Gets'. That works for other countries, however slow. Should work for Pakistan, too.

 

[VCheng]

That works for other countries, however slow. Should work for Pakistan, too.

They have patience. Pakistanis generally do not. We want problems decades in the making to be resolved in 90 days. Why be upset when it does not happen?

 

[hnn]

Well, I would have much much liked PTI to become a potent force under a capable leadership. Alas, it has turned out to be a One Man party where the 'leader' is the absolute monarch with too much self-esteem to even groom a protege. Such tendencies existed in PPP with ZAB/Benazir and the Noonies (Nawaz) but those parties have been beaten back, tamed to be mere 'clerical' Yes Men. And nothing wrong with that!! They better shape up, do the 'governance' as well as possible, within the confines of the typical 3rd World Corruption Paradigm. That's all that's been expected of them. Nothing revolutionaries. Something 'Good Enough' or 'As Good as it Gets'. That works for other countries, however slow. Should work for Pakistan, too.

All I can say to comfort you is:
"Come sir/bro, let's find you a new leader" someone like the Ubermensch from Thus Spoke Zarathustra

Hope you get the hint who the Ubermensch is lol

 

[hnn]

They have patience. Pakistanis generally do not. We want problems decades in the making to be resolved in 90 days. Why be upset when it does not happen?

What if we unconsciously don't want the problems to go away because that is what we are familiar with and a life without problems where we wake up to complaint about nothing seems kinda boring?

I, for one, like my morning tea with a plate full of bickering on the side. Biscuits are too vanilla.

 

[Trailer23]

...with too much self-esteem to even groom a protege.

Protégé...?

Oh bhai Khan sahab didn't even want to relinquish his powers to a backup (SMQ).

By the way..., whatever became of the person who would eventually lead PTI (Murad Saeed)?

Why wasn't he selected CM of KP?

 

[VCheng]

What if we unconsciously don't want the problems to go away because that is what we are familiar with and a life without problems where we wake up to complaint about nothing seems kinda boring?

Unconsciously?!

I have said this many times before:

Pakistan is what it is because we all have collectively worked persistently and consciously to make it the just the way we like it. Therefore, we must talk about solutions incessantly but never actually implement any of them.

The results are before us stark and clear.

 

[Meengla]

They have patience. Pakistanis generally do not. We want problems decades in the making to be resolved in 90 days. Why be upset when it does not happen?

Examples of the upheavels in Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh--right in Pakistan's region and probably elsewhere--tells me that Pakistanis share the same impatience. But, unlike those countries, Pakistan faces a really, powerful mortal enemy to its east, ready to strike and even take up a chunk of Pakistani territory. And that's why, until that threat is fully removed, I side with caution and give the primacy to the Pakistani military over some fake Jeffersonian Democrats in PPP, Noonies, or PTI.
Mine is for the preservation of 'Pakistan' first and foremost and whoever stands in its way is my enemy and I don't and won't mince any words about that. It is my consistent position in the old and this PDF.

 

[Trailer23]

Pakistan is what it is because we all have collectively worked persistently and consciously to make it the just the way we like it.

Khulasa: Never a dull moment in Pakistan

 

[Meengla]

Protégé...?
Oh bhai Khan sahab didn't even want to relinquish his powers to a backup (SMQ).
By the way..., whatever became of the person who would eventually lead PTI (Murad Saeed)?
Why wasn't he selected CM of KP?

Right.
Imran's only 'protege' would be his sons but they are too smart to wallow in Pakistan's mud. Instead, they would rather hump chicks in Europe and dink fine wine. I don't blame them!

 

[VCheng]

I side with caution and give the primacy to the Pakistani military over some fake Jeffersonian Democrats in PPP, Noonies, or PTI.

ROFL!

The primacy of the military in Gen Zia's Pakistan should never be doubted no matter what useful cartoon is installed as the figurehead - PPP, PTI, PMLN - rest assured.

The only long term dangers are the economy and the abysmal social development. The only enemy we have is ourselves. Blaming India or Evil Uncle Sam or anyone else is merely self-deception.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Shaikh Chillis still believe in Pakistan Tehrik-e-Baqwas.

ISI brainwashed them way too far. Poor chaps.

 

[hnn]

Examples of the upheavels in Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh--right in Pakistan's region and probably elsewhere--tells me that Pakistanis share the same impatience.

Share? Sir, we are the OG gang. We did that first, back in 2023 - Nepal and Bangladesh were still in their cribs then. However, we were also very impatient about succeeding so gave up at the first sign of resistance

 

[Oscar]

Remember what I always used to say (and was hated was saying it)?

Naya Pakistan will be the same as Purana Pakistan.

Moonshine in a fancy bottle can only dream of being a fine aged whiskey no matter how long it remains in it.

It all starts with the quality of the grapes and the soil that grows them ... ...

Which is why I mentioned that the idea then(and can always be) was to provide some positivity in the hope that some listen.

And some have, maybe not to the investment in Pakistan but at least in themselves and types of individuals being exported. See some good folks in my generation and also in early Gen Z who are taking good initiatives that otherwise were shrugged by Gen X(who in turn took initiatives that were shrugged by those before them)