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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%
  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
    112
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As I’ve said before, no individual or institution is more important than the country.

Countries are made out of individuals and institutions...something that you lot seem completely oblivious to. When you don't the rule of law to those individuals and institutions, you become a banana republic, like we are now.

But carry on with this fantasy, rule with an iron fist over a disenfranchised horde...let me know how it goes.
 
So then what is the next step that could be taken over this issue?

Why is the onus of the next step on the aggrieved party rather than on the aggressor?

Especially when the aggrieved party is the one that has been constantly accused of being anti-state precisely when they try and resolve the issue?

Or rather, why should PTI take a next step? They don't even need to. The state needs to simply follow the rule of law and let things proceed as they are. If it doesn't to phir yeh PTI ka masla nhn hai har Pakistani ka masla hai, which most here seem completely ignorant to.
 
But carry on with this fantasy, rule with an iron fist over a disenfranchised horde...let me know how it goes.

Well, the system is coming up to a successful half century in 2027, and still going.
 
Why is the onus of the next step on the aggrieved party rather than on the aggressor?

Especially when the aggrieved party is the one that has been constantly accused of being anti-state precisely when they try and resolve the issue?

Or rather, why should PTI take a next step? They don't even need to. The state needs to simply follow the rule of law and let things proceed as they are. If it doesn't to phir yeh PTI ka masla nhn hai har Pakistani ka masla hai, which most here seem completely ignorant to.

Agreed, but we already know from the historical record that the state is NOT going to follow the law, until and unless there is enough of an incentive from their point of view, to do so.

Therefore, the onus - totally unfairly, I might emphasize - still lies with PTI to be able to motivate enough like-minded Pakistanis to create such an incentive for things to get better. Thus far, they have failed to do so.

That is what is needed, and until and unless that happens, not much is likely to change, I'm afraid.
 
Agreed, but we already know from the historical record that the state is NOT going to follow the law, until and unless there is enough of an incentive from their point of view, to do so.

Therefore, the onus - totally unfairly, I might emphasize - still lies with PTI to be able to motivate enough like-minded Pakistanis to create such an incentive for things to get better. Thus far, they have failed to do so.

That is what is needed, and until and unless that happens, not much is likely to change, I'm afraid.

1- When they push towards that, we have the usual suspects brandishing the labels...you just saw how a "senior" member just referred to PTI has his enemy or something.

2- Dialogue is a no go

And to give it to the lackeys and estab, they are smart in that they know who actually organizes and galvanizes the movement, and those people are hidden or in jail. The ones out are the compromised or incompetent ones.

Then there's the usual Pakistani bickering and leg pulling, so, not looking good for PTI in the short term future.

But that isn't even my concern at this moment.

It's how you are running the country, and boasting over it, and then doubling down on your nonsense. Have a look in the mirror for Gods sake and see what you're doing. It isn't the 80's anymore.
 
You make some great points, let me take them up one by one:

1- When they push towards that, we have the usual suspects brandishing the labels...you just saw how a "senior" member just referred to PTI has his enemy or something.

Such blatant agenda pushing is unfortunately rife in this forum by design, unfortunately. However, that is not up to the likes of you or me to change. We can only hope that unpopular views like ours, of whatever inclination, as still somewhat tolerated.

2- Dialogue is a no go

I would agree that there does not seem to be much room to have a dialogue. However, it is precisely the art of politics to create such breathing room where a process of dialogue and negotiations can then take place. If the two main parties deadlocked cannot come to this realization, then third-party influence needs to take the lead.

Usually, such political deadlocks arise more from one or both parties thinking that they alone hold all the aces, when , in fact, no one does in real life. Those who remain obstinate are culled quite often by such a grave error of judgement, rest assured.

And to give it to the lackeys and estab, they are smart in that they know who actually organizes and galvanizes the movement, and those people are hidden or in jail. The ones out are the compromised or incompetent ones.

Of course. One must expect both sides to do everything they can to maintain the upper hand as best as possible. Fairness has nothing to do with it, please note.

And I would point out specifically that every tactic applied has a limit to which it can be applied and be effective. Every such tactic.

Then there's the usual Pakistani bickering and leg pulling, so, not looking good for PTI in the short term future.

Perhaps the worst national trait. We would rather backstab each other to fight over each other's scraps, while the elite continue to have a feast at our table that we provide.

But that isn't even my concern at this moment.

It's how you are running the country, and boasting over it, and then doubling down on your nonsense. Have a look in the mirror for Gods sake and see what you're doing. It isn't the 80's anymore.

Yes, it is not the 80s anymore. But, sadly, I observe that is is the same people. As long as they themselves do not change, a change in what the calendar says will not change their lives in any meaningful way.

Thus far, I do not see any evidence that people really want such a change, despite many claims and hopes and dreams expressed in this thread and forum.

My words above may be blunt, but remain honest and sincere.
 
Just like Imran Khan took bribe from Malik Riaz in shape of land and other perks for his wife's witch university, and got his fine paid in the Supreme Court from proceeds of crime? And also stole state gifts and sold them for profit. You're not just criminals, you're liars too.


again your false claim which has no basis.

the absurdness of your claims is that the money 190M pounds was transferred to a government account.! .. so how did it benefit Khan?.. idiot logic. Then again it comes from people who claimed Nawaz Sharif Highjacked a plane..

look we get it ...people like you are not that well educated both in a worldly and from a Islamic sense who cannot put two and two together ..

It is quite clear with every one with half a brain this was all about a power grab. The recent amendments which the form 47 gov rubber stamped is clear what the real game was all about.

ie to make the Army a ruler with no accountability and unlimited powers.


suggest you take time to research and read before posting any more foolish comments which are spin off from ISPR or Maryum Nawaz media cells. The funny bit about you claim we post PTI sources ..yet I only post international sources of repute... you really are a solid hypocrite... then again you dont know islam.



read for your education

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How Pakistan Army Chief Asim Munir gets expanded powers​




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Pakistan: The Winner Takes It All​


Pakistan’s new amendment cements the military’s supremacy, elevating Asim Munir above institutions and hollowing out the country’s fragile democracy.

 
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I am surprised at Imran Khan's falling out with his patrons in the Army.
why?

Khan was never a puppet though his life he fingered people in power ... be it in cricket, politics or international affairs.
 
I would agree that there does not seem to be much room to have a dialogue. However, it is precisely the art of politics to create such breathing room where a process of dialogue and negotiations can then take place. If the two main parties deadlocked cannot come to this realization, then third-party influence needs to take the lead.
Usually, such political deadlocks arise more from one or both parties thinking that they alone hold all the aces, when , in fact, no one does in real life. Those who remain obstinate are culled quite often by such a grave error of judgement, rest assured.

Can't really do that when you're being squished like a lemon by the might of the state. Dialogue is certainly a part of politics, but when you're under an authoritarian dictator, what does dialogue do?

Anyways, it's a matter of egos since long. Let's see who blinks first...or is made to blink first.
And I would point out specifically that every tactic applied has a limit to which it can be applied and be effective. Every such tactic.
Very true. Would be interesting to see what the tipping factor is. Economy, lawyers, internal voices?
Perhaps the worst national trait. We would rather backstab each other to fight over each other's scraps, while the elite continue to have a feast at our table that we provide.
Yes, it is not the 80s anymore. But, sadly, I observe that is is the same people. As long as they themselves do not change, a change in what the calendar says will not change their lives in any meaningful way.

Thus far, I do not see any evidence that people really want such a change, despite many claims and hopes and dreams expressed in this thread and forum.

My words above may be blunt, but remain honest and sincere.
Well sooner or later we would have to break this cycle, unless we want to remain in this quagmire. But as you said, that point doesn't quite seem to be coming soon.
 
Well done ghadar Shaikh Chillio...
Have shameless Patwaris now begun handing out "patriotism" certificates? WHO was inciting anti-army slogans during Imran Khan govt but your favorite Maryam Nawaz? 🙄
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If court orders are being flouted so brazenly, what is the appropriate course of action tp be taken here?
The appropriate course of action to be taken here is blame IK / PTI. Blame them for why court orders are being flouted so brazenly. Blame them for not being able to make authorities abide by the court orders. Blame them for still trying to work within the "system" that has closed all doors of justice on them. 🙄
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Because blaming IK / PTI for everything is what I would’ve done if I were you. Oh, wait…
 
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