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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%
  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
    112
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DG ISPR's Father Founded A Militant Organization Banned By the US and Pakistani governments. He Used To Call Taliban Afghanistan Ideal Islamic State

He's also known as jinnoN wali sarkar on the count of his claim to produce electricity through the power of jinns
this bs again , do you guys have any proof of this other than moed pirzada . as i have said before in a another thread i doubt a nuclear engineer will make that claim
@Musings @Fatman17 @RescueRanger are u going to do anything about this lying without any evidence , lying about a hero involved with our nuclear program just because of his spastic son
 
I wish you all the best in your endeavors. However, making some content about how evil USA is always does go down well with a certain audience. Or the Juice, or the Yindoos.

I am aware that I liberally use 'Cultists' to describe most of Imran's followers but not all of them. I think there are indeed many who mean well for Pakistan while supporting Imran but I think they have not truly registered in their brains the toxic personality which Imran shares with the likes of Nawaz and Altaf. They need to do some deeper digging.
But I pride myself that after I saw Imran for who indeed he turned out to be when his Speaker threw out the No Confidence Motion in 2022: I immediately realized I was wrong about Imran and his further actions have only cemented my understanding of Imran.
I really feel vindicated!!!
 
IMO, we Pakistanis need to de-link IK/PTI from the actual problem here, which is the literal breakdown of an adept and functioning state in Pakistan.

Despite its flaws and problems, one of the strongest qualities Pakistan had compared to the Arab nation-states was that we had functioning (albeit flawed) institutions.

Yes, even within the Army which, despite the politicization of the top, still structurally works as a professional system lower down the ranks. It's the same for the bureaucracy and even political parties to a varying extent.

Again, nothing's perfect, far from it, but we had the guts of a functioning state that can withstand (and has proven to withstand) some serious, serious pressure, like the WOT, constant conflict in the tribal areas, and so on.

What the Babu Brigade is doing right now is completely dismantling the fabric of what made Pakistan resilient, despite its flaws. They're doing it for every stupid reason you can think of under the sun: personal vendettas, uneducated responses to issues that are far bigger than them, immediate selfish interests, etc.
 
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I am aware that I liberally use 'Cultists' to describe most of Imran's followers but not all of them. I think there are indeed many who mean well for Pakistan while supporting Imran but I think they have not truly registered in their brains the toxic personality which Imran shares with the likes of Nawaz and Altaf. They need to do some deeper digging.
But I pride myself that after I saw Imran for who indeed he turned out to be when his Speaker threw out the No Confidence Motion in 2022: I immediately realized I was wrong about Imran and his further actions have only cemented my understanding of Imran.
I really feel vindicated!!!

Please remember that a mistake is only a mistake if the lesson it teaches is not heeded. A lesson learned turns it into a learning opportunity. And that is how we gradually improve ourselves.

Nobody can do that learning for us but ourselves.

Anyone can do it. Yes, even them.
 
you guys aren't helping your case i asked what was the connection/evidence and you gave me case that happened in 2011 . why should i investigate when you are the one who accused Asim , its your duty to provide evidence

this accusation sounds like ik read it about it in the paper and then accused asim

idk how mods allow you guys to constantly make false accusation without proof , and when asked you send yt links ,or other bs
Do we know who killed Pakistan founder PM, Liaquat Ali Khan. Both small planes carrying IO crashed!!
So, yes, ask me written proof!

CTD that killed Khalil, Nabila and their daughter Areeba, were they apprehended and punished? One kid who wasn't killed told the incident. CTD even recovered cache of weapons and explosives from TERRORISTS.

Looks you are born today and got a growth spurt. This is Pakistan.
People on this forum were picked up too ...
 
IK needs to cut a deal with the establishment. He needs to accept there are rules to the game.

See this guy is just not tactful enough. He's put himself in this hole where people are dancing with the devil to get him out. It was all avoidable.

He doesn't need to cut a deal but must play politics within some standards. In the western world the politicans never go against the state narrative/establishment, they know the consequences. In Pakistan politics should be based on economy, trade, education etc but it resorts to character assassination, personal attacks, ego fights and everyone does it. What people also fail to understand is if Pakistan domestic politics is so toxic and full of double games then imagine international politics, its a complete different ball game, what will a clean honest leadership do in that situation, they will get played and manipulated, if they take a strict stance against superpowers they will then isolate you on international platforms, we seen what happened to Libya Syria Iraq Iran. Noone helps you when your isolated, its a cruel world.
 
Do we know who killed Pakistan founder PM, Liaquat Ali Khan. Both small planes carrying IO crashed!!
So, yes, ask me written proof!

CTD that killed Khalil, Nabila and their daughter Areeba, were they apprehended and punished? One kid who wasn't killed told the incident. CTD even recovered cache of weapons and explosives from TERRORISTS.
you did it again , told me about a non related incident and told me what i already knew about the ctd incident .

again for the third time wtf is the connection between ctd encounter gone wrong and asim muneer .
 
your messages makes me wonder, if yazid sent a similar messenger to Imam Hussein to stop his struggle against him..

very deplorable post from you.

Come on bro, Imran Khan is not Imam Hussain and the opposition is not Yazeed, I think its better not to use religious slogans at this time.

TTP also claim they are mujahdeens and fighting against western imperialist Pakistani army. When Lal Masjid operations happened, the mullahs were saying worse massacre than karbala happened but do we agree.

I think I made a sensible point in order to save Imran Khan from jail, what's so deplorable about that. Pti followers are praising IK for his stance but WE all are living our lives and hes in jail suffering. I personally think of Imran Khan as a Pakistani legend, he done alot for Pakistan and don't want him to die in jail, he deserves a good peaceful time during his last days, hes 73 years old. Is it not better for imran Khan to continue educating the youth on his political philosophy, build up his party from Bani Gala, leave a strong legacy than play politics of challenging the armed forces and agencies. Noone is saying he needs to give salute to Asim Munir but atleast de-escalate the current situation.
 
He doesn't need to cut a deal but must play politics within some standards. In the western world the politicans never go against the state narrative/establishment, they know the consequences. In Pakistan politics should be based on economy, trade, education etc but it resorts to character assassination, personal attacks, ego fights and everyone does it. What people also fail to understand is if Pakistan domestic politics is so toxic

Domestic politics is nasty in most countries, especially in poorer countries, including in India and Bangladesh. But those countries who manage smooth transfers of power and/or have long periods of single party rules (yeah, 'authoritarian') generally tend to do better especially when, unlike in case of Pakistan, the external threats are not dire.
We need to really start looking at the political discourse in other countries. The knowledge is out there literally at our fingertips. We need to see that several countries which were 'authoritarians' benefited from the stability, focus, and continuity of policies and also take into account how countries with so much going for them, like Sri Lanka, went into a fiscal default. Sri Lanka is a very good example of 'democracy' in a country where there is no insurgency, no foreign threat, high human capital/education and yet still went belly up. And then there is the example of Bangladesh which, under Hasina's authoritarian but a long rule, marched ahead. Those are two countries in Pakistan's own region.
 
35 pages of crying lmao saying the same things for the nth time but not protesting or fighting for it :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
you didn't answer me about the "idiom" that you kept mentioning, would you be okay if that "idiom" was used against your parents or family members?
 
Domestic politics is nasty in most countries, especially in poorer countries, including in India and Bangladesh. But those countries who manage smooth transfers of power and/or have long periods of single party rules (yeah, 'authoritarian') generally tend to do better especially when, unlike in case of Pakistan, the external threats are not dire.
We need to really start looking at the political discourse in other countries. The knowledge is out there literally at our fingertips. We need to see that several countries which were 'authoritarians' benefited from the stability, focus, and continuity of policies and also take into account how countries with so much going for them, like Sri Lanka, went into a fiscal default. Sri Lanka is a very good example of 'democracy' in a country where there is no insurgency, no foreign threat, high human capital/education and yet still went belly up. And then there is the example of Bangladesh which, under Hasina's authoritarian but a long rule, marched ahead. Those are two countries in Pakistan's own region.

That is another big debate. I personally would love a Pakistan with independent foreign policy, not be a puppet state but learning from our neighbour Iran it seems it will not work well. They have oil and gas but are still struggling, imagine Pakistan under western sanctions, in a few decades our military will loose the edge against India and we will be screwed big time. Its a complex situation. We also have allies like Saudia Qatar who are part of western alliance, even they can pull our ears. What can a person do in this situation. Currently our armed forces play along and are surviving, even China a superpower does not challenge the west, Russia has started to do it and are under sanctions but their have trillion of natural resources and are suriving. I always say to people, muslim states need to unite, form a EU style model, help each other and only then we can help our suffering Muslim brothers and sisters. But we fail. The same way domestically Pakistanis and all Muslims need to change their mindset, build up their nations, stop corruption, bribery, lies, nepotism, betrayals etc and only then they will rise but noone listens.

Democracy doesn't even exist. No nation is free, the western world follows whatever their ruling elite say, they control governments and foreign policies, they use powerful media to manipulate everyone.
 
you didn't answer me about the "idiom" that you kept mentioning, would you be okay if that "idiom" was used against your parents or family members?
yeah mb , yes i would feel bad if it was my parents normally . but in this context it literally means **** off . if you cant handle the word **** off then i am sorry for you

and after reading the post to which it was said it is understandable , like i have caught 3 guys here lying about dgispr father and when asked about evidence they keep listing events that happened years ago or moed pirzada yt vid , i too wanted to use lpc
 
A good outcome from this IK vs Pak Deep State tussle: the Pak forces will unleash hell on the homosexual & podophilic terrorist Afgan Pashtuns*! It's like beating up the maid servant to convey a lesson to wife....

The Pak Deep State is a maestro in widening up its bandwidth while leveraging every condition or situating, no matter how adverse it looks like....

*Why some Pak Pashtuns consider these bastards as their alpha males is beyond me. What have they found in these savages under the Ram Rajya of the Hindutva Bharat?
 
I personally would love a Pakistan with independent foreign policy, not be a puppet state but learning from our neighbour Iran it seems it will not work well. They have oil and gas but are still struggling, imagine Pakistan under western sanctions, in a few decades our military will loose the edge against India and we will be screwed big time. Its a complex situation. We also have allies like Saudia Qatar who are part of western alliance, even they can pull our ears. What can a person do in this situation. Currently our armed forces play along and are surviving, even China a superpower does not challenge the west, Russia has started to do it and are under sanctions but their have trillion of natural resources and are suriving.

This!! Every word needs pondering.
And I suspect you have a soft spot for Imran Khan but you are smart enough to know that when Imran, as a sitting Prime Minister of Pakistan, was waving that bogus Cypher blaming America, he was literally playing with Pakistan's future. No one here can honestly downplay the consequences for Pakistan's economy AND for Pakistan's very survival if Biden had decided to 'punish' Pakistan using even unilateral sanctions, starting with kicking Pakistan out of SWIFT, freezing Pakistan's assets, disallowing remittance. And mind you: It would not just be America alone.
 
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