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[Goenitz]

by Khalid Anam

 

[Unknown987]

No wonder huge amount of Pakistanis now claiming asylum in Europe thanks to the government and new army generals.

 

[airhead]

In other words, all the lofty ideals and reams of the cultits on PDF are mere dreams.

Just as I have been saying all along. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

time will tell ..time will tell. Nov 26th we were close to a revolution but the military onstaught was just too much for civilians to bear. Yes if your military is so brutal that it can start firing on every day citizens then yes revolution is difficult to pull off

 

[VCheng]

time will tell ..time will tell.

Of course. It always does.

We shall be able to see the truth - or otherwise - of all the claims being made also.

 

[Jango]

That is all wrong.

Since when has that stopped us from doing anything? Hold my rooh-afza...

 

[Meengla]

No sir. He is ready to embrace shahadat. Did he not say that?
If he did, then it is a noble goal indeed. Anyone willing to die for such a noble cause should get every help and prayer to enable such a noble and lofty goal to met as quickly as possible.

The guy is an ultimate coward! Look at @hydrabadi_arab profile pic!! Do you see a Mandela there?? But the jokes about him being offered a 'deal' and the 'brave' leader wanting Shahadat (martyrdom) continue.
But even IF Imran wants to embrace 'martyrdom', does it not reflect a primitive mind? WTH, this is all power games--classic Pakistani power game-- going on for many decades where someone,, using their brain, eventually has a chance to prevail. Look at the current ruling elite: Multiple times kicked out of power and people like Zardari enduring far far worse for far far longer than the Messiah Khan has endured and you don't see them wanting 'martyrdom' for their political causes?
Why don't we understand this simple thing: Imran Khan is a Paindu in every sense of the word! He and his sisters chanting 'martyrdom' without really meaning it clearly shows the primitive, backward mindset which is a slippery slope to the rampant suicide bombers from Afghanistan and from some pockets of Pakistan's western regions. They are MENTALLY SICK!!

 

[Jango]

In other words, all the lofty ideals and reams of the cultits on PDF are mere dreams.

Just as I have been saying all along. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

"No real social change has ever been brought about without a revolution... revolution is but thought carried into action." – Emma Goldman

 

[Jango]

No sir. He is ready to embrace shahadat. Did he not say that?

If he did, then it is a noble goal indeed. Anyone willing to die for such a noble cause should get every help and prayer to enable such a noble and lofty goal to met as quickly as possible.

Why would such logic sadden anyone? After all, he is a world class diplomat who knows the ways of the world and politics. If he is ready to die than to figure out some other peaceful way for himself, how can anyone else object? He is a wise man. He should get what he wants.

He said shahadat kay liay tayyar hoon...not that someone come and kill me.

I am content with my life and religion today, and have a strong enough belief, and if I say keh I am ready to die for some cause which is near and dear to me, that means keh come on and kill me today?

I mean come on, definitely did not expect such a dishonest framing from you.

But I can clearly see you're not coming from good faith here...so please pick up an axe and travel to Adiala. I am sure you'd be welcomed with open arms.

 

[PakAl]

By support I mean elections not putting themselves in front of machine guns …this baighairat army will fire omits own citizens so yes revolution not possible unless every day Pakistanis are willing to die and that is just too high a price . Remember avg Pakistanis are not revolutionaries ..they are just citizens trying to make a living ..in elections I can say go sure they are behind IK. Will they take a bullet of course not

When have we ever seen 1M people March in Pakistan. Never. Majority of the people just want to carry on their normal lives, the poor work hard for a day's wage to feed families.

 

[VCheng]

I mean come on, definitely did not expect such a dishonest framing from you.

Dishonest? How so, please note this:

He said shahadat kay liay tayyar hoon.

Literally, he said "I am ready to embrace shahadat". Right? That means he is ready to die for what he believes in so strongly, that to him, his life is secondary.

Correct?

If so, then my comments above are totally logical and honest.

 

[VCheng]

"No real social change has ever been brought about without a revolution... revolution is but thought carried into action." – Emma Goldman

Yes. The thought is there, I accept that. But where is the action?

 

[PakAl]

There's the geopolitical aspect of it too. I am very intrigued as to what happens in the next few months.

Arab politics are divided themselves, we are a beggar state for the Arabs at the moment. Turkey and Israel have beef, and we are basically the only one who are offering mercenaries for hire. Why? So that we remain in good books of Trump and this dictatorship carries on?

After the great Afghan mistake, here comes the Gaza mistake. Afghanistan we wanted to do what Erdogan did in Syria, ab Gaza main pata nhn kia karnay lagay hain.

Israel wanted Palestinians from Gaza to go Egypt or Jordan but they refused. Israel also continues bombing Palestinians but cannot destroy tunnels. So the peace plan is for Muslim/Usa force to enter Gaza, destroy tunnels and Hamas offensive weapons, rebuild Gaza, then build a police force, give control to Palestinian Authority and finally recognise a Palestinian State in Gaza, not sure about WestBank. Israel probably wants Hamas disarmed so then they can enter Gaza and occupy it like WestBank. But everyone agrees minus Hamas, PIJ formula. Also what is the point of Palestinian state when they cannot build army but only have police force. Israel will continue to plot and attack Gaza. Lastly Gaza or Palestinian state will be like Iraq, totally under Usa control, their politicians etc will all be sellouts. Thats the plan. Pakistan will make a big blunder by sending army without Arabs but to be fair muslim world doesnt have a choice, its either this or Israel will continue to commit genocide.

Sorry for going off topic. For Pakistan its to only go with UN and Arab force.

Gaza peace plan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[VCheng]

But even IF Imran wants to embrace 'martyrdom', does it not reflect a primitive mind?

All it shows is a mind that knows what it wants. IK knows best how to move forward. If he is ready to die, then it shows he sees no other way out.

Wishing that such a great leader gets what he wants is perfectly logical.

 

[Meengla]

All it shows is a mind that knows what it wants. IK knows best how to move forward. If he is ready to die, then it shows he sees no other way out.
Wishing that such a great leader gets what he wants is perfectly logical.

You said that in jest, I suppose! The brave Khan put a metal bucket over his head and is a known coward for decades. Forget his recent issues, he climbed out of his house's wall trying to escape in mid 2000s police coming to arrest him. Literally climbed out of his house!!

 

[Jango]

Yes. The thought is there, I accept that. But where is the action?

There won't be...that's why we are stuck here