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[Jango]

Literally, he said "I am ready to embrace shahadat". Right? That means he is ready to die for what he believes in so strongly, that to him, his life is secondary.

So let's kill him tomorrow, since he wants to be killed?

 

[VCheng]

There won't be...that's why we are stuck here

Then why, oh why, is the PTI social media crowd so adamant that a revolution is around the corner?

 

[VCheng]

So let's kill him tomorrow, since he wants to be killed?

No, that is a false argument.

A man willing to die for his cause is by definition desperate and clutching at last straws. When cornered with no way out, desperation to the point of willingness to die can motivate highly unpredictable and dangerous acts.

What if IK tries to escape? What level of force do you think may need to be applied to stop a man already willing to die?

 

[VCheng]

You said that in jest, I suppose! The brave Khan put a metal bucket over his head and is a known coward for decades. Forget his recent issues, he climbed out of his house's wall trying to escape in mid 2000s police coming to arrest him. Literally climbed out of his house!!

No, I am not jesting.

I am of the firm opinion that anyone wishing for shahadat should be helped in meeting their lofty goal as soon as possible.

“No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.” - Gen George Patton.

What IK wants to do is to motivate other people to die for his cause, by claiming he is ready to die. This is an old demagoguery trick that works well on the foolish followers.

Interestingly, it has failed thus far. Such leaders who imagine public support far in excess of reality usually have an ignominious ending.

 

[Boss]

Feel so sorry about the PTI guys, another generation lost pursuing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

In my lifetime I can count a few, ZA Bhutto, MQM, AQ, and now IK.

Bunch of loveless, low IQ folks who need a sense of belonging.

The reason the military is the strongest institution in the country because they have IQ tests.

 

[VCheng]

The reason the military is the strongest institution in the country because they have IQ tests.

Yes, they select only those ones who fail the IQ test.

Seriously though, never confuse discipline (which is military) with intelligence (which is not).

 

[Jango]

No, that is a false argument.

A man willing to die for his cause is by definition desperate and clutching at last straws. When cornered with no way out, desperation to the point of willingness to die can motivate highly unpredictable and dangerous acts.

No. It means he believes in it so much that he is willing to put his life on the line. Which he already is to a great extent. Doesn't care about family, doesn't care about children, doesn't care about wealth etc.

I know you've got some gripe with him, but if you can't appreciate this simple fact and instead take it as 'desparation and clutching at straws', what should I call this framing if not dishonest?

A soldier willing to die for his country is also desparate and clutching at last straws then? Come on VC, you can do better than this.

What if IK tries to escape? What level of force do you think may need to be applied to stop a man already willing to die?

This is so absurd I can't even wrap my head around this.

 

[Jango]

Feel so sorry about the PTI guys, another generation lost pursuing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

In my lifetime I can count a few, ZA Bhutto, MQM, AQ, and now IK.

Bunch of loveless, low IQ folks who need a sense of belonging.

The reason the military is the strongest institution in the country because they have IQ tests.

Oh ok my high IQ overlord...aap nay mulk ka aaj tak kia putt lia hai itnay IQ kay sath?

The sheer contempt with which fauji apologists treat regular Pakistanis now is digusting to say the least.

Said it a few months back on this forum, this us vs them mentality still hasn't died.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Yes, they select only those ones who fail the IQ test.

Seriously though, never confuse discipline (which is military) with intelligence (which is not).

The military embodies the true ideological spirit of Pakistan. Civilized, organised and loyal. Only rational lateral thinkers will gravtitate towards it.

The rest of Pakistan operates on extremes. Tribalism, sectarianism, ethnofascism. You name it. It's a rabble. It's politics is a reflection of that.

 

[Watandar]

Feel so sorry about the PTI guys, another generation lost pursuing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

In my lifetime I can count a few, ZA Bhutto, MQM, AQ, and now IK.

Bunch of loveless, low IQ folks who need a sense of belonging.

The reason the military is the strongest institution in the country because they have IQ tests.

Yeah it was the high IQ of the military that resulted in loss of East Pakistan and spreading extremism instability and lawlessness everywhere else.

 

[Jango]

Then why, oh why, is the PTI social media crowd so adamant that a revolution is around the corner?

Poeple can have a difference of opinion or pathway? And who is the PTI social media crowd? Is it a monolith entity you are referring to here? Or are you just taking some random people on social media and applying a label to some other entity based on thos randos? Really man?

They can be adamant...they can believe all they want to, and Godspeed to them in their endeavors. I sure hope they bring about that revolution. But I don't see it coming right now, due to various reasons.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

It doesn't matter. People in the past have done so many wrong things. The issue is that the current establishment is using the same script. If the current lot were just, it would modify those laws. So, the current setup (Zia's descendants) is as corrupt as Zia was.

I found "Zia's descendant".

 

[VCheng]

It means he believes in it so much that he is willing to put his life on the line. Which he already is to a great extent. Doesn't care about family, doesn't care about children, doesn't care about wealth etc.

Agreed. Yes, to him, his cause, as he believes in it, is now larger and more important than his life.

I know you've got some gripe with him

Absolutely none at all. I have nothing to gain or lose from whatever IK or his followers do. Nothing at all. That is perhaps why I can remain objective.

A soldier willing to die for his country is also desparate and clutching at last straws then?

Did you read Gen Patton's quote above? Death for a solider, as a military strategy, must always remain a desperate last measure. As Gen Patton said, no one wins a war by dying for their country, but by making the other s.o.b. die for his country.

This is so absurd I can't even wrap my head around this.

Desperate men do desperate things. Everything must be considered in such situations.

 

[VCheng]

They can be adamant...they can believe all they want to, and Godspeed to them in their endeavors. I sure hope they bring about that revolution. But I don't see it coming right now, due to various reasons.

I can agree with you here, totally. Their ideals are indeed noble. Sadly, the path they have chosen is not likely to be successful.

 

[VCheng]

The military embodies the true ideological spirit of Pakistan. Civilized, organised and loyal.

Agreed 100%.

The rest of Pakistan operates on extremes. Tribalism, sectarianism, ethnofascism.

Agreed 100%.

Now please do remain mindful of the military's role in making the rest of Pakistan exactly as you have described it.