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[Jango]

Agreed 100%.

It was wrong when NS was removed to install IK by those tactics. And it was wrong when IK was removed to install SS by those tactics.

Oh...after NS IK came into power? When was that? Jog my memory a bit dear sir.

Also, the Panama papers weren't released by the establishment or by IK. Just thought to revise facts since now we have started making them up (another evidence below)

Because his family is trying to make a political circus out of those visits. Remember the "shahadat, shahadat, shahadat" slogans raised by his sisters? Why?

Nice of you to cherry pick the sister's statements from a couple weeks ago after they were denied legal visitation for months. Kinda like how history started for Israel after Oct 7 only as well (not drawing parallels, just an example).

They still have the KP CM. And SMQ is out.

Are you sure you ain't reading some Fauji Foundation newspaper? Or has the gaslighting become so extreme keh you've released SMQ from Kot Lakhpat? BTW, you might also wanna tell this to Fawad Chahudhary, bechara awayeen phir koshishain kar raha hai SMQ ko jail say nikalnay ki?

You play chess with the pieces you have left on the board, not the ones you lost by using a failing strategy.

Yeah, the strategy didn't fathom the other party being so gung ho that they would uproot your whole judicial system, blakcmail judges once you do go to court, and then even remove those judges once the decisions don't come in your favor.

It's like I am playing football, make a straategy to score goals, have a nice 433 formation, bring my best players in...and then the opponent comes in, erects a 50 foot fence on the half line, and planks the whole goal with wood, and yet you berate my strategy. If you beat me in football, sure you could blame my strategy.

The complete dishonesty on display here is amazing, amazing!

 

[Jango]

You see, your understanding of Pakistani politics is so bad. Just look at the bolded parts in your quoted post. PTI is a threat to MQM, was a threat, and will be a threat. The Noonies are not a threat to MQM--they are kind of natural allies against the PPP.
But you start with a blind love for Imran and so you end up with absurd arguments while giving slap on the wrist to Imran by saying meaningless 'Imran is not an angel but...' kind of arguments.
But who am I to disabuse you of your delusions. You and the blogspace can try as much as you want to but Imran's fortunes are not getting any better. The idiot has sunk his own boat. My words don't matter.

Mate, at least try and understand what I wrote first before going off on your usual IK rant. Glad to see you didn't understand what I wrote though.

My understanding of politics may be bad but your comprehension is leaving alot to be desired as well it seems.

 

[VCheng]

Oh...after NS IK came into power? When was that? Jog my memory a bit dear sir.

My bad. IK came after Abbasi (PMLN) who had replaced NS (PMLN) after his impeachment was engineered by the same tactics. Thank you for the correction.

Nice of you to cherry pick the sister's statements from a couple weeks ago after they were denied legal visitation for months.

The same reason applied to the previous visit denials as well. No cherry picking here.

Are you sure you ain't reading some Fauji Foundation newspaper? Or has the gaslighting become so extreme keh you've released SMQ from Kot Lakhpat?

He was just found not guilty, was he not? He will be out shortly, if not already.

Yeah, the strategy didn't fathom the other party being so gung ho that they would uproot your whole judicial system, blakcmail judges once you do go to court, and then even remove those judges once the decisions don't come in your favor.

So a failed strategy nonetheless, because it severely underestimated the opponent. After all, if one fights, the opposition is entitled to fight too.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

A true leader knows the nation he wishes to lead, and what it is capable of, or not.

IK may be a visionary with lofty ideals and a heart of gold, but all those qualities will not do an iota of good if he has no one able or willing to follow him to wherever he wishes to lead.

A leader incapable of motivating a nation to follow him is not really a leader, by definition. Blaming the nation for not seeing him for the leader that he claims to be is only part of the picture. Part of the responsibility must also lie on the leader himself for not knowing how to lead such a nation.

Imran Khan may be stubborn, and at times even too naive for the brutal, transactional politics of Pakistan but that is precisely what separates him from the power brokers who built their careers on compromise, corruption, and deals behind closed doors. His flaws are human, but his intentions were clear, he challenged a system designed to keep ordinary people dependent and powerless.

By keeping him in jail, the establishment still has nothing meaningful to show. The country remains held hostage while power is handed to those who protect monopoly, corruption, and the status quo. Just days ago, Pakistan was back at the IMF with a begging bowl, proof that nothing has improved, nothing has been reformed, and nothing has been learned.

And one day, hundred years from now, what will the people of Pakistan remember? They will remember Imran Khan, a visionary leader who tried to lift ordinary citizens out of the slavery of an elite class openly backed by the military.

 

[VCheng]

Imran Khan may be stubborn, and at times even too naive for the brutal, transactional politics of Pakistan but that is precisely what separates him from the power brokers who built their careers on compromise, corruption, and deals behind closed doors. His flaws are human, but his intentions were clear, he challenged a system designed to keep ordinary people dependent and powerless.

So a stubborn, naive, flawed human with clear intentions is now bearing the consequences of his actions. He challenged a system and failed. That is life. What is your point?

 

[Jango]

The same reason applied to the previous visit denials as well. No cherry picking here.

Yeah and Santa Claus is gonna come tonight and drop gifts under my bed

Oh to be so naive.

He was just found not guilty, was he not? He will be out shortly, if not already.

He's been found not guilty in 50 cases over the past 3 years

Again, oh to be so naive. I don't think you actually follow the news VC, just go off IK bad!

So a failed strategy nonetheless, because it severely underestimated the opponent. After all, if one fights plays soccer, the opposition is entitled to fight bring tanks and guns too.

I truly have no response to this. But fixed your sentence a bit.

Next time I go to a court to fight my case, I should be prepared that the judge will be blackmailed, transferred, heck even kidnapped. And then I should blame my strategy of going to court and actually trusting the legal system. Amazing logic VC!

 

[VCheng]

I truly have no response to this. But fixed your sentence a bit.

So if one is foolish enough to show up with a soccer ball to fight a tank battle , whose fault is that?

 

[Jango]

So if one is foolish enough to show up with a soccer ball to a tank battle , whose fault is that?

Well, has it occured to you maybe it wasn't a tank battle but a soccer match?

But hey, fauj ka hi mulk hai, they can craete whatever competiton they want, and they'll have people falling head over heels to justify it.

 

[VCheng]

Well, has it occured to you maybe it wasn't a tank battle but a soccer match?

May be it was advertised as such?

Jokes aside, the point remains that IK was woefully underprepared to engage in the power struggle that he engaged in with the entrenched power. Is that not a fair assessment?

Please note that I am not defending the illegality of the entrenched power, but at the same time, it is foolish to ignore the strengths of any opponent one is trying to defeat.

 

[Meengla]

So a stubborn, naive, flawed human with clear intentions is now bearing the consequences of his actions. He challenged a system and failed. That is life. What is your point?

Didn't know whether to have 'Laughed' or 'Liked' your post!
Honestly, Imran Cultists' delusional and excuses are on another level.

 

[Jango]

May be it was advertised as such?

Jokes aside, the point remains that IK was woefully underprepared to engage in the power struggle that he engaged in with the entrenched power. Is that not a fair assessment?

Please note that I am not defending the illegality of the entrenched power, but at the same time, it is foolish to ignore the strengths of any opponent one is trying to defeat.

You are doing exactly that my dear sir by blaming the one who is on the receiving end.

You are running a country, not waging war. Not expecting your own establishment to completely root out your legal system and hold everyone hostage is a reasonably fair assessment. Wanting to stick to your guns for a provincial CM (however wrong that may be), and not agreeing to what the COAS says, shouldn't mean your government goes the next day.

But the very fact that you think we need to be prepared for such a scenario where the other party brings a tank to a soccer match, tells you all you need to know about how this country is run, and what it's future holds. Truly a banana republic.

 

[VCheng]

Didn't know whether to have 'Laughed' or 'Liked' your post!
Honestly, Imran Cultists' delusional and excuses are on another level.

Please note that some jackass cultit disliked my post for re-using the exact description of IK provided by one of his group. Another level, indeed!

 

[Meengla]

Please note that some jackass cultit disliked my post for re-using the exact description of IK provided by one of his group. Another level, indeed!

You have a lot of patience with them!! I think anyone reading this thread should be able to see their excuses, delusions, and inconstencies.
Well, they have years of heartache ahead in the blogspace as their Messiah Khan is going to rot in prison or, at best, exiled.

 

[Forsvaret]

Next time I go to a court to fight my case, I should be prepared that the judge will be blackmailed, transferred, heck even kidnapped. And then I should blame my strategy of going to court and actually trusting the legal system, rather than hiring some thugs with guns and doing the job myself. Amazing logic VC!

Now you may understand why I have given up on @VCheng and his "logics" long time ago.

Honestly, Imran Cultists' delusional and excuses are on another level.

Honestly, this is the nth time you’ve had this brain fart

Please note that some jackass cultit disliked my post for re-using the exact description of IK provided by one of his group. Another level, indeed!

My alter ego @Meengla always agrees with me and likes my posts! Am I not just amazing? @VCheng

Well, they have years of heartache ahead in the blogspace as their Messiah Khan is going to rot in prison or, at best, exiled.

@VCheng "please" agree and like your alter ego @Meengla posts or he will get a heartache for years to come.

 

[VCheng]

Not expecting your own establishment to completely root out your legal system and hold everyone hostage is a reasonably fair assessment.

Again, that is not a fair, but a naive, assessment. After all, IK knew how he himself was put into power, and to what extent such matters are managed, did he not?

Wanting to stick to your guns for a provincial CM (however wrong that may be), and not agreeing to what the COAS says, shouldn't mean your government goes the next day.

I agree with the sticking with the CM part. But there were many other things: influencing the selection of ISI chief, destroying relationships with USA and SA, May 9, etc. etc.

But the very fact that you think we need to be prepared for such a scenario where the other party brings a tank to a soccer match, tells you all you need to know about how this country is run, and what it's future holds.

Haven't I been loud and clear and consistent enough in saying this is now Gen Zia's Pakistan perfected? Only the naive would not understand what it actually means in terms of how this country is, and will be, run for the foreseeable future.

And it fer sure ain't a soccer match!