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[alphapak]

Well, it has sadly become a Pakistani tradition that half the people whose favored demagogue loses cry "rigged elections" while the other half are jubilant, at least until the next elections when the roles quite often flip, fairness be damned if truth be told.

Then don't rig elections, nobody will cry. Bring in EVM machines, make it difficult
to rig elections.

 

[VCheng]

Then don't rig elections, nobody will cry. Bring in EVM machines, make it difficult
to rig elections.

I will agree with that 100%.

 

[Cash gk]

Then don't rig elections, nobody will cry. Bring in EVM machines, make it difficult
to rig elections.

Yaar kiss danger k sath damag kapa raye oh. Mark him ignore.

 

[Cash gk]

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[Goenitz]

@VCheng has a point, if he were as popular as we claim, wouldn't people have taken to the streets as the Turks did when the coup against Turkish President Erdogan was unfolding?

To your second point, the guns and barrels, many nations have had violent insurrections that have paid the price in blood for the next generations; the British had their own, the French, etc. I don't think the same can be said of Pakistan.

It then shows the Pakistanis' contentment with their living situation and mindset: chand din di zindagi, khao pio, moja karo.

I agree. However, it is how we define popularity. He is popular, like he is in the common news, among people's good books, etc.

Yes, there is a will niyah, but not the way or amal. You cannot judge the success of an idea. Otherwise, Karl Marx was a failure as Lenin brought a revolution (way after Karl's death).

There is an active resistance in KPK and Balochistan. Like all bad things, terrorism/insurgency can have 'the hobby now has a cause' effect.

Not all popularity can be translated into a rule. Many dictatorial regimes were unpopular.

@M. Sarmad would disagree why Pakistanis are weak or cannot rebel or have a slave mindset, especially Punjabis. However, it all boils down to two things.
1. We moved directly from farming to an industrial workforce after the British arrival. We didn't have an intermediate phase or secondary or entrepreneurial activities. We are therefore dependent on Sarkar/Wadeera/power, etc, as we didn't have an SME mindset, which is essential for confidence, independence (khudi), and building relationships (unions, diplomacy, etc). Iqbal/Gandhi advocated for ownership (khudi/atma-nirbharta). @Joe Shearer.
2. Pakistanis never realised the strength of democracy. How can people in groups challenge power. Calcutta had been systematic, if not democratic, since 1757. MP/Bihar/UP quickly followed. The English stepped into Punjab in 1846 but relied on the Feudal system to rule. They distributed lands to them and made the biggest headquarters of the subcontinent in Pindi (to control now KPK and B.Stan). They ruled Sarhad and Balochistan through a semi-autonomous system like Afghanistan. They held critical affairs in their hand while states/Tribes had the rest. In summary, Punjab and Sindh have the same centuries-old feudal cum police/commissioner/ISI province rule.

In the end, no matter what one believes, IK is popular by any standard definition. It is up to the power to realise when they want to believe it.

 

[VCheng]

Yes, there is a will niyah, but not the will or amal.

Niyah without Amal is useless. Anyone can claim all the Niyah in the world any way they wish, but without Amal there is absolutely no evidence to prove it.

For example, I can claim that 99% of people in Pakistan support Elmo from Sesame Street as the next President of Pakistan.

 

[Goenitz]

Niyah without Amal is useless. Anyone can claim all the Niyah in the world any way they wish, but without Amal there is absolutely no evidence to prove it.

For example, I can claim that 99% of people in Pakistan support Elmo from Sesame Street as the next President of Pakistan.

Not that simple.

It is not as simple as a wish that we want our favourite person to be at the top. Niyah is even beyond fikar or concern/restlessness. Niyah is that people are determined but just lack resources and direction.

In simple words. A man wishes to pray, but a lack of motivation stops him (requires self-motivation). Fikar strives on sheer will, but scarce resources hinder that. Like you want to clean the house, street or build one, etc, but have no money or human resources. Still, you keep bimping everywhere as fikar makes one restless.

Niyyah, however, combines intention with readiness. The person is mentally and emotionally prepared/determined, but the circumstances (internal or external) are not yet aligned.

When those conditions finally support the intent, the action happens. People are fully determined for a change, and we cannot measure it directly. So much suffering and pain have been endured, and the victims all blame in one direction.

 

[VCheng]

People are fully determined for a change, and we cannot measure it directly. So much suffering and pain have been endured, and the victims all blame in one direction.

Okay, even if I accept those claims, how does it change anything at all? What good is determination that despite so much pain and suffering results in only blame but no action? Utterly useless.

 

[Goenitz]

Okay, even if I accept those claims, how does it change anything at all? What good is determination that despite so much pain and suffering results in only blame but no action? Utterly useless.

can be, cannot be. What can be the use of a newborn baby? Or perhaps an unborn one. He can be another ordinary person or a game changer.

I think in the same line, Black and brown people shouldn't have babies. It is utterly useless. They are always looked down on with disdain. They have no equal rights. Still, people do. Perhaps, they are mad.

 

[VCheng]

can be, cannot be. What can be the use of a newborn baby? Or perhaps an unborn one. He can be another ordinary person or a game changer.

I think in the same line, Black and brown people shouldn't have babies. It is utterly useless. They are always looked down on with disdain. They have no equal rights. Still, people do. Perhaps, they are mad.

I respect your right to have personal views such as those expressed, but I also fail to see how newborns, no matter what skin color, can help show the "full determination" arising from "enduring so much suffering and pain" that results "only in blame" help IK regain political power, or even get out of jail, even if continuing to make babies is somehow an expression of the people being "mad".

Hence, I cannot respond with any relevance to the topic of the thread unless you can explain your comments above.

 

[Cash gk]

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[Pradotlc]

t, if he were as popular as we claim, wouldn't people have taken to the streets as the Turks did when the coup against Turkish President Erdogan was unfolding?

he won a landslide in elections.. the army rigged

this is a established fact.. stop being an indian who deny facts

 

[Cash gk]

Trust me, the majority have known for the last seven decades. For my father, he said mid-60s, when he gained more self-awareness, he knew things were off. My father could be considered an outlier, as my grandfather lived in the UK since the age of 16, who opened my father's eyes and ears early on through their conversations.



@VCheng has a point, if he were as popular as we claim, wouldn't people have taken to the streets as the Turks did when the coup against Turkish President Erdogan was unfolding?

To your second point, the guns and barrels, many nations have had violent insurrections that have paid the price in blood for the next generations; the British had their own, the French, etc. I don't think the same can be said of Pakistan.

It then shows the Pakistanis' contentment with their living situation and mindset: chand din di zindagi, khao pio, moja karo.

Because you are so shameless when people came out in streets, you killed them in front of Parliament in front of your Supreme Court so don’t **** around mate we know you idiot, but don’t consider us in that rank as well.

 

[VCheng]

he won a landslide in elections.. the army rigged

this is a established fact.. stop being an indian who deny facts

Agreed 100%. The election IK lost was rigged and lost the post of PM.

Nobody can deny that fact.

But then again, why forget that the election that IK won was also rigged, and he became PM by a stolen election from his predecessor in the exact same way.

If you win by cheating, then you cannot complain if you also lose by the same cheating.

Hypocrisy NEVER achieves anything.

 

[WatchtowerWarrior4Ever]

He is kidnapped by Pakistan field Marshall Asim Munier. He is Munier’s prisoner. A Colonel always control Imran Khan’s death cell. according to his sisters and son

He is rightfully placed where he is requried to be. After adding fuel to the fire during the incidents after 9th of May.....he will face the consequences. That's the way it is.