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[Xestan]

And it wasn’t an insult when our army chiefs supported the same Afghan Taliban for years and were cheering when Kabul fell under their control, twice?

Imran Khan on record said that Afghans have broken the shackles of slavery. I curse all those who had any role in bringing Taliban back to power.

 

[Xestan]

Who created the Taliban?
Interior Minister of Benazir Bhutto. He was a army General Naseeruddin babar. Taliban was created to do the country’s dirty work in Afghanistan. Their handlers were all serving or retired ISI officers. And just like the other militant groups they are now out of our control and they are now the enemy.
Who are the TTP?
the same Taliban driven out by the Americans and the Northern Alliance into the FATA badlands where they mixed with the locals through marriage etc and morphed into the TTP.
All the military operations were against them and they were driven back across the border and find sanctuary and are supported by the Taliban regime because they are one and the same.
Every civilian government has signed peace deals with both groups.
So why blame IK only because he overtly comments (rightly or wrongly) about them.
Military operations provide temporary space for the civilian government to be able to Rehabilitate and Reconstruct (R&R) the FATA and every single government has failed in that regard and looked towards the military to do their job.
With the help of UAE the army did the R&R but it was not enough.
The army returned to the barracks and the TTP returned and this vicious cycle continues today.
One step forward and two back.
And that is why IK continues to say that the military operations are not working.
You have got to let the local Jirga system sort their problems. They have been doing it for centuries.

Local jirga has been toothless against the TTP, at least since 2007 when most of the elders started to get targeted. Locals tribes cannot risk saying a word against TTP, with an exception a very few, like Salarzai.

 

[Xestan]

First release IK and then he can explain it openly. Otherwise, it is just twisting his words.

Yeah, like he hadn't said the same thing for a thousand times in last 20 years.

 

[Xestan]

@Oscar @Waz @Musings

Can you pls rename this nonsense thread to "Imran khan's opposes military solution". Even that is based on assumption that whatever a leader of a country from his dark tiny cell said from prison is reported accurately or not.

I don't see anywhere a statement of him saying "TTP" are our own. This thread is purely a sick bias. He's just concerned about ordinary poor pakistanis according to his own intellect. His mistake is that he consider all Pakistanis same. Many members here consider balochs, pashtuns, tribals as sworn enemies. But a leader cannot think on ethnic lines otherwise country is doomed. A stateman must talk about unity & peace to keep the country united.

I just feel pity on people here who think they are more patriotic then Imran Khan.

So the thread's title was changed when everyone knows Imran Khan has called TTP our own misguided people for last 20 years. Very nice, PDF management. Great going!

Just for anyone who wants to see, Imran Khan's official handle posted it all in english. Go read it!

 

[Xestan]

2001 to 2018: PEAK Terrorism.
2018 to 2021: Most peaceful tenure ever
2021/22 onwards: Again terror attacks risen.

Everyone needs to remember these dates. Let's not be FOOLS and accuse a person for ttp or terrorists when he wasn't even in power. Why is that whenever military dictators come in power or their puppets like N-league the terror rises ??

Nawaz sharif is a product of General Zia's laps. All the jihadification / terror network is initiated during that time period. Miiltary dictators & N-league always go hand in hand. They realy don''t care about after effects or collaterals or anything. Their worst policies are real devastation for our country

The stats you're producing out of thin air have already been debunked in this thread. Please go through them before spamming here.

Peak terrorism was in 2009, it started to go down after Op Raah-e-Raast and Raah-e-Nijaat. Then after Zarb-e-Azb in 2014, it took a dip again, 2016 under Nawaz Sharif being the most peaceful time in over a decade. The hike started in 2020, and the major uptick in 2021 and early months of 2022 when Imran Khan was still the Prime Minister.

 

[Forsvaret]

I curse all those who had any role in bringing Taliban back to power.

Well, it was our Pakistani generals who aided and abetted Taliban’s rise to power and toppling of Kabul twice. There you have something to curse on other than your usual Bughaz-e-Imran.

 

[El Sidd]

General Zia ul Haq was personally a Proto Taliban personality. And in case of Pakistan, the Army Chief's policies decide Pakistan's policies. Had it been an Ayub Khan as the Army Chief cum President in 1979, I doubt the policies would be as extremist as Zia's turned out to be. And Personalities do matter. Even in a 'liberal democracy' like America where Trump is an institution in himself. When will Pakistanis realize that???!!
In short, Pakistan's anti Soviet policies of the 80s, while one could broadly justify them, had a huge influence of the Proto Taliban President General Zia ul Haq and Pakistan is still paying a huge price for them.
But, of course, it suits the Imran Khan fans well to present that as 'the Establishment' policies because their extremely smart Messiah Khan has put that Gospel in their (typically expats) heads!

Would not have made a decision, Field Marshall late Ayub Khan was more invested in the martial race theory than your favorite tease, Niazi.

Pakistan would still have chosen the same answer to Afghanistan owing simply to mathematics.

I would argue that the region and it's inhabitants are becoming less and less Conservative.

 

[Taimoor]

It doesn't paint Bajwa/Faiz in good picture. Faiz will die in jail like Imrandu so there is accountability at least. Bajwa had a good sense to turn away from batshit crazy Taliban Khan.

Which "tattu" of establishment has done wonders to the state of Pakistan throughout the history? Please enlighten us. If you cant find any, maybe establishment itself the tattu of higher powers?

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Which "tattu" of establishment has done wonders to the state of Pakistan throughout the history? Please enlighten us. If you cant find any, maybe establishment itself the tattu of higher powers?

Zia gave you the bomb. But also Afghans so it evens out. But Imrandu will only give you Afghandus, he doesnt have anything else to offer.

 

[Taimoor]

Zia gave you the bomb. But also Afghans so it evens out. But Imrandu will only give you Afghandus, he doesnt have anything else to offer.

What are you on about?

Zia was establishment himself, I am talking about the "tattus" of establishments who have done wonders to Pakistan. You can go as far as you like in history. And if you cant find any (hint: patwaris, jiyalays, Bhai log, ZAB......) , then establishment itself is a tattu of international establishment since they are bloody useless themselves.

 

[side-winder]

Gentlemen, please watch your selection of terms / words. You can convey your point of view using better terms / words. Tit for Tat response is no excuse. Please consider as soft warning.

@Taimoor @hydrabadi_arab

 

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[Goenitz]

Taliban Khan isn’t a name that came up out if nowhere.
At the that is his vision and you can see it in his choice of spouse as well.

He would happily let Taliban enforce their concept of moral enforcement in Islamabad because in his mind his assumed vision of Riyasat e Madina is what that translates to.

Now whether the establishment’s approach or PML(N)’s Punjab is Pakistan approach is right isn’t the automatic answer to “Imran Khan is wrong” opinions.

Don't forget he is a yahudi agent too.
Anyway, the government is peddling that narrative to counter any international effort to offer IK due process. They are painting him in the West that he is a monster and a threat.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Don't forget he is a yahudi agent too.

Taliban and Zios have collaborated.

Destablization of Pakistan was through AQ and OBL saudi plant co-sponsored by CIA/Mossad ultimate target Pakistan.

So this slur may have some merit.

The rabbit hole is very deep on history between Taliban and Zios.

 

[Goenitz]

Taliban and Zios have collaborated.

Destablization of Pakistan was through AQ and OBL saudi plant co-sponsored by CIA/Mossad ultimate target Pakistan.

So this slur may have some merit.

The rabbit hole is very deep on history between Taliban and Zios.

Taliban can ally with any enemy of Pakistan. If you can pay them more, they can change the direction of their barrel.
They are not as ideological as they are thought of.