PTI news, updates and discussions part ll

[Goenitz]

 

[Oscar]

Bro come on. Don’t make such idiotic statements, don’t compare some politicians to the grandson of the prophet

Unfortunately, as you go into personality worship so you shall do. But the analogy is fine.
I remember a senior PTI leader coming on drunk to a TV show and saying "Allah ke baad koi hai Pakistan ke liye woh Imran Khan hai"..

 

[hasssanali8998]

In literature, a simile is often used

no sorry comparing and using the greatest tragedy in our religions history for petty politics is not okay
u guys are the same people that get worked up when fujeets use religious langauge in their propganda , so pls dont do the same shit

 

[Oscar]

no sorry comparing and using the greatest tragedy in our religons history for petty politics is not okay
u guys are the same people that get worked up when fujeets use religious langauge in their propganda , so pls dont do the same shit

Cultism is cultism - and to that every hypocrisy is justifiable. The establishment does it for theirs , PPPP for theirs and these ones for theirs.

Interesingly, IK looks to be in decent shape compared to the picture painted of him by PTI trolls of being Davy Jones with one eye. If anything, Salman Raja visited IK recently and he is pretty good health and able to get most of his routine in.

That doesn't absolve the establishment of their idiocy in political prisoner keeping but that also doesn't mean IK's conditions are ANYWHERE comparable to what Mandela went through - and perhaps IK comes out a sharper and humbled individual who can eventually change the system with a long term vision rather than the egoistic idealism he kept being prone to.

 

[Cipher212]

Every anecdote I've ever heard of IK, in person from people who've met him or in media, it's clear that he has that 'My Way or The Highway' attitude his whole life. It's his biggest strength and weakness.

This has irked many people to no end. Understandable. It's a valid point that such a personality will always be terrible at politics especially when it comes to outreach and being a mediator. That's all fine. But I can argue that this is exactly the type of attitude you need to face faujis and the landed elite.

But as a whole he remains the best bet currently for (pipe dream, I know) civilian supremacy or at least reducing the role of Army and ISI in politics. His party is the only one that even tried to bring in new faces. Sohail Afridi kon hay? He's some bloody civilian who has been made chief minister of an entire province. Is he going to be any good? Probably not. He'll be mediocre at best but this is a huge step in the right direction. If this system is maintained and you have a proper grassroots political system, believe me you will get far better leaders than PMA can train. Look at any functioning country for proof of this.


The others don't even bother to hide their dynastic politics anymore. They openly say yes we're working with Fauj in a 'hybrid' system which is essentially a veiled martial law system where civilian dogs will take the fall for any mistake or shortcomings of generals who for some reason are interested in ANYTHING but commanding their units/wings/brigades/branches

He is the only running horse in a stable full of donkeys while we argue over whether he gallops fast enough or not.

Whether or not he's in decent shape in jail right now or he really did lose an eye is not the problem. He shouldn't be there in the first place! Everyone on this forum knows he didn't steal no bloody watch. Even the faujeets (who themselves are bloody civilians btw, IDK why they defend Fauj so hard ) know this in their heart.

I am not that great at articulating my thoughts but I'm just so tired of this age old myth pushed in Pakistan where you are only a patriot if you're in the Fauj or you're a ****. Any one else is just corrupt/chor/incompetent. Like those people aren't present in army too in great numbers and with NO oversight because they're on top of the food chain.

 

[LC150]

Unfortunately, as you go into personality worship so you shall do. But the analogy is fine.
I remember a senior PTI leader coming on drunk to a TV show and saying "Allah ke baad koi hai Pakistan ke liye woh Imran Khan hai"..

like that noonie who said with Nawaz sharif's arrival resulted in a new fragrance in Pakistan ?..


some people mistake breaking the wind as fragrance....

 

[LC150]

very anecdote I've ever heard of IK, in person from people who've met him or in media, it's clear that he has that 'My Way or The Highway' attitude his whole life. It's his biggest strength and weakness.

correct observation

this attitude stems from his history of his personal successes... whether graduating from top notch education like Oxford, establishing not one by two cancer hospitals, winning the World Cup, trophy bride etc he can rub the wrong way with people who are less accomplished. I still remember him talking down to an american CNN reporter ( I think) who said golf is hard game and he said nothing compared to cricket..

the point is his attitude of superiority can turn off people.. but some one who followed him for decades I realise he wants other Pakistanis to do the same ie not be losers... I mean seriously when you go around Pakistan how many "winners" do you actually see?.. in interview he was asked what was the most proud moment in his two years of power.."PAF pilots shooting down two indian planes'... why?.. it was extremely difficult what they achieved and they made Pakistan look like a winner.

the current tinpot just wants "the old Pakistan" to continue... run down, people with low esteem, no great objective in life, etc ie standard third world losers

 

[LC150]

The rapid consolidation of power by Field Marshal Asim Munir has the PTI reconsidering its options – and the controversial “charter of democracy.”

By Kunwar Khuldune Shahid
June 24, 2026

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On June 19, the Election Commission Gilgit-Baltistan (ECGB) announced the final results of the June 7 polls, with the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) bagging nine out of 21 seats to emerge victorious. The delay in finalizing the result of the elections in Gilgit-Baltistan, a territory that is a part of the Kashmir dispute between Pakistan and India, was largely due to widespread allegations of misappropriation leveled by Imran Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI).

The PTI insisted that, like the 2024 general elections, the Gilgit-Baltistan polls too were rigged by the military establishment to sideline the party. Eyewitnesses confirmed discrepancies in voting patterns and final results across polling stations, in addition to the pre-poll alterations in constituency boundaries and voters lists. On top of that, the PTI is being forced to field independent candidates, with its leaders frequently barred from campaigning.

The state’s marginalization of the PTI from the electoral process is a continuation of the military establishment’s clampdown on the party following Imran Khan’s removal as the prime minister in April 2022. Since then the party leadership has faced incarceration. Khan has been in prison since August 2023, in addition to thousands of PTI workers being jailed over “anti-state” actions – most notably the riots of May 9, 2023, when Khan was first arrested. Last year, 75 PTI leaders were jailed in a mass conviction over the 2023 protests.

Khan’s health is deteriorating in jail, as both the PTI founder and his wife Bushra Bibi – also imprisoned over corruption allegations – suffer from a loss of vision. Meanwhile, the media blackout of the party – especially Khan, whose name was unofficially barred from being spoken on TV channels – has continued over the past four years, including in the lead up to the Gilgit-Baltistan polls.

While anti-army sentiments exploded in Pakistan in the immediate aftermath of Khan’s removal as the premier, and garnered global attention amid large-scale election manipulation in 2024, the military leadership has witnessed a stark turnaround over the past 12 months. The ceasefire following the May 2025 India-Pakistan clashes allowed Islamabad to claim victory, especially amid confirmation that multiple Indian jets were downed.

Since then, as Pakistan has continued to woo U.S. President Donald Trump, Islamabad has become the chief broker in the ongoing Iran-U.S. negotiations, even hosting the talks between the two sides in April. The all-powerful army chief, Asim Munir, who became the country’s second field marshal and the very first chief of defense forces (CDF), was described by U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance as “one of two most important people in my life” during the Lake Lucerne talks in Switzerland over the weekend. Trump has repeatedly called Munir “my favorite field marshal.”

Munir, who had been dubbed “hardline” within the military ranks even before his ascension to the army chief position, also has a bone to pick with Imran Khan. While prime minister, Khan had removed Munir as the head of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in 2019. Munir is now spearheading the crackdown on Khan and his party as not just the most powerful man in Pakistan, but now also one of the most influential figures in the region.

This turnaround has pushed a rethink in the PTI, The Diplomat has learned through conversations with the party leadership. Party leaders are now open to the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N)-led government’s longstanding proposition of a “charter of democracy,” originally designed to strengthen parliamentary supremacy, but now largely considered the army leadership’s ploy to reaffirm its authority. Many in the PTI ranks believe that a compromise with the military leadership is the only way forward to maintain any political relevance in the country.

“The military establishment has now become so powerful that it has become impossible to uphold democracy in Pakistan,” a PTI leader told The Diplomat. “Politicians can now only function in the space allowed to them. The hybrid regime is permanent – so Pakistani politics is all about competing for the shrinking civilian space in the hybrid system.” The “hybrid” model of governance, popularized by the current leadership, signifies a civil-military accord, but critics believe it is euphemism for the army dictating all matters of importance.

Numerous PTI leaders express such sentiments and believe that the party needs to abandon its overt anti-establishment leaning and seek a return to the mainstream by agreeing to the proposed “charter of democracy.” Many also believe that any upheaval to undo the military-upheld status quo is unlikely, given the reluctance of the majority of the population to take to the streets in protest to demand justice for Imran Khan (even as he remains the most popular politician in Pakistan).

In this regard, there have been talks between PTI leaders and the government. Last month, the PTI’s Interim Chairman Gohar Ali Khan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Chief Minister Sohail Afridi met with Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi. On June 19, PTI leaders Asad Qaiser and Junaid Akbar led a party delegation into a meeting with Finance Minister Muhammad Aurangzeb. Officially, these meetings have been described as discussions pertaining to “security” and “taxation” policies. However, insider accounts say that there have been conversations on bridging the differences between the PTI and the government vis-à-vis the “charter of democracy.” While the ruling parties are largely playing the role of intermediary, the conversation is actually being had with the military.

“We [the PTI] are always ready for talks in order to establish true democracy. For that there needs to be a level playing field [for all parties]. There should be no political vendetta. The country is ours, and so is the army,” said Qaiser.

The PTI leadership’s changing narrative on the army is already paying dividends. On June 19, the National Assembly lifted its ban on the airing of PTI leaders’ speeches. The day before that, senior PTI leader Shah Mahmood Qureshi, long considered aligned with the military establishment’s policies, was acquitted by an anti-terrorism court. Last week, the Supreme Court restored Imran Khan’s right to contest a defamation case filed by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif. The apex court is also set to hear Khan’s plea regarding access to his lawyers and family.

While any negotiations between the PTI and the military leadership via the ruling parties will inevitably include relief for Khan, many within the party believe that the PTI founder will not endorse the charter of democracy. “He would rather die than accept compromise with the parties. That will undo his entire political legacy,” said a longtime PTI loyalist, speaking on condition of anonymity owing to their stance of having bid farewell to formal politics.

The sentiments were also echoed by veteran politician and former PTI president Javed Hashmi. “Imran Khan might have compromised with the military to come to power [in 2018] but now he has nothing to gain from any compromise – neither with the PML-N and PPP nor the military establishment,” he told The Diplomat.

Given Khan’s popularity, any charter that doesn’t include him and the PTI would not amount to anything significant. “With Imran and PTI, the charter can set up basic rules of the game. Whether or not a charter materializes… an attempt should be made,” said Miftah Ismail, cofounder of the Awaam Pakistan party and a former PML-N leader. He added that the questions over the validity of the charter itself can only become relevant when all parties are on the negotiation table.

The endorsers of the “charter of democracy’ believe that once all major parties agree to have a conversation, they might eventually create a united front to reclaim the space ceded to the military. The detractors, meanwhile, insist that given the expansion of the powers of the army, spearheaded by Munir, the charter today is the formalization of the hybrid regime and sanctioning of the limited role carved out for the civilian leaders.

Given Imran Khan’s popularity, and indeed his own role in facilitating the military leadership’s relentless power grab, he remains critical to any hopes of salvaging democracy in Pakistan. But Khan and the PTI, with all the support they enjoy, might find it hard to undo the autocratic policies of a military leadership that is not only basking in totalitarian policies at home, but today is also hobnobbing with global powerbrokers.

not happening... khan made it clear... return the stolen mandate

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thug rule needs to end.

 

[Oscar]

Every anecdote I've ever heard of IK, in person from people who've met him or in media, it's clear that he has that 'My Way or The Highway' attitude his whole life. It's his biggest strength and weakness.

This has irked many people to no end. Understandable. It's a valid point that such a personality will always be terrible at politics especially when it comes to outreach and being a mediator. That's all fine. But I can argue that this is exactly the type of attitude you need to face faujis and the landed elite.

But as a whole he remains the best bet currently for (pipe dream, I know) civilian supremacy or at least reducing the role of Army and ISI in politics. His party is the only one that even tried to bring in new faces. Sohail Afridi kon hay? He's some bloody civilian who has been made chief minister of an entire province. Is he going to be any good? Probably not. He'll be mediocre at best but this is a huge step in the right direction. If this system is maintained and you have a proper grassroots political system, believe me you will get far better leaders than PMA can train. Look at any functioning country for proof of this.


The others don't even bother to hide their dynastic politics anymore. They openly say yes we're working with Fauj in a 'hybrid' system which is essentially a veiled martial law system where civilian dogs will take the fall for any mistake or shortcomings of generals who for some reason are interested in ANYTHING but commanding their units/wings/brigades/branches

He is the only running horse in a stable full of donkeys while we argue over whether he gallops fast enough or not.

Whether or not he's in decent shape in jail right now or he really did lose an eye is not the problem. He shouldn't be there in the first place! Everyone on this forum knows he didn't steal no bloody watch. Even the faujeets (who themselves are bloody civilians btw, IDK why they defend Fauj so hard ) know this in their heart.

I am not that great at articulating my thoughts but I'm just so tired of this age old myth pushed in Pakistan where you are only a patriot if you're in the Fauj or you're a ****. Any one else is just corrupt/chor/incompetent. Like those people aren't present in army too in great numbers and with NO oversight because they're on top of the food chain.

We all did believe in that being the only horse - because the system basically told the middle class that you have no hope unless you latch onto horses.
So you have to use the system you have been given to change. Unfortunately, the horse blew its shot along with that of the middle class by this entire "my way or the highway" and even that would have been fine if that stubbornness was for principles and not because Mellisandre insisted he put her interests on top.

 

[Oscar]

correct observation

this attitude stems from his history of his personal successes... whether graduating from top notch education like Oxford, establishing not one by two cancer hospitals, winning the World Cup, trophy bride etc he can rub the wrong way with people who are less accomplished. I still remember him talking down to an american CNN reporter ( I think) who said golf is hard game and he said nothing compared to cricket..

the point is his attitude of superiority can turn off people.. but some one who followed him for decades I realise he wants other Pakistanis to do the same ie not be losers... I mean seriously when you go around Pakistan how many "winners" do you actually see?.. in interview he was asked what was the most proud moment in his two years of power.."PAF pilots shooting down two indian planes'... why?.. it was extremely difficult what they achieved and they made Pakistan look like a winner.

the current tinpot just wants "the old Pakistan" to continue... run down, people with low esteem, no great objective in life, etc ie standard third world losers

like that noonie who said with Nawaz sharif's arrival resulted in a new fragrance in Pakistan ?..


some people mistake breaking the wind as fragrance....

The irony of the bold when the next post came out.

 

[Cipher212]

We all did believe in that being the only horse - because the system basically told the middle class that you have no hope unless you latch onto horses.
So you have to use the system you have been given to change. Unfortunately, the horse blew its shot along with that of the middle class by this entire "my way or the highway" and even that would have been fine if that stubbornness was for principles and not because Mellisandre insisted he put her interests on top.

Pinki is the single worst thing that happened to Imran. In his quest for falling back into the fold of Islam after a life of partying he went straight for a bloody Pirni from Pakpattan.

But even then, this pales in comparison to what the others have done. Asim Munir is also suffering from a Melissandre-Lite evidently. His family members (on his wife's side) are all in great posts. Biggest example being Mohsin Naqvi.

 

[Cipher212]

correct observation

this attitude stems from his history of his personal successes... whether graduating from top notch education like Oxford, establishing not one by two cancer hospitals, winning the World Cup, trophy bride etc he can rub the wrong way with people who are less accomplished. I still remember him talking down to an american CNN reporter ( I think) who said golf is hard game and he said nothing compared to cricket..

the point is his attitude of superiority can turn off people.. but some one who followed him for decades I realise he wants other Pakistanis to do the same ie not be losers... I mean seriously when you go around Pakistan how many "winners" do you actually see?.. in interview he was asked what was the most proud moment in his two years of power.."PAF pilots shooting down two indian planes'... why?.. it was extremely difficult what they achieved and they made Pakistan look like a winner.

the current tinpot just wants "the old Pakistan" to continue... run down, people with low esteem, no great objective in life, etc ie standard third world losers

Look at how they reacted to Sohail Afridi being selected as CM. They have their little walled off club house and WE are not part of it.

And once again I state to every fauj-eet on this forum who's baap is not at least a Colonel. YOU aren't part of that club either.

 

[Goenitz]

I remember a senior PTI leader coming on drunk to a TV show and saying "Allah ke baad koi hai Pakistan ke liye woh Imran Khan hai"..

What's wrong with that statement? are their demigods in between? If I go to a math teacher and say Allah k baad aap hi madad kar sakty hain math teaching ma.. whats wrong wit that?

no sorry comparing and using the greatest tragedy in our religions history for petty politics is not okay
u guys are the same people that get worked up when fujeets use religious langauge in their propganda , so pls dont do the same shit

I think the Quran and Hadith are full of similes, metaphors, parables, etc. it include personalities, nations, sky, ants, etc.

We can use tragedies and sacrifice as precedences like we do in courts, daily life and so forth. You know, who has stopped ration trucks near Mangla cantonment? It is not JAAC. So, can't we draw this parallel to Karbala, especially in Muharram?

No, the Army is in power and the status quo. It uses every term to its benefit, like patriotism, nationalism, law, state writ, Islam, Mujahideen ⇋ Khawarij, etc.
Surah 9:9, "to exchange God's message for a small price"

Cultism is cultism - and to that every hypocrisy is justifiable. The establishment does it for theirs , PPPP for theirs and these ones for theirs.

What cultism has to do with it? First of all, it is an academic or linguistic issue, and then comes the question of whether it is used appropriately.

Next is like anything if someone uses it for constructive or ill purposes, like anything else, such as using weapons, religion, water, money, etc.

 

[hasssanali8998]

So, can't we draw this parallel to Karbala, especially in Muharram?

no just dont
nothing will ever be comparabel to the tragedy of karbala and pain that it inflicted on my prophet

 

[Oscar]

Pinki is the single worst thing that happened to Imran. In his quest for falling back into the fold of Islam after a life of partying he went straight for a bloody Pirni from Pakpattan.

But even then, this pales in comparison to what the others have done. Asim Munir is also suffering from a Melissandre-Lite evidently. His family members (on his wife's side) are all in great posts. Biggest example being Mohsin Naqvi.

He had a pretty decent guide back in 2011 - this woman and the pattern of how she emerged makes you almost believe a conspiracy. Almost.

Either way, while one could say paling in comparison especially since the PTI had a lot of good people who while ok to accept the military "electables" strategy eventually swore off IK post the Buzdari ideals along with some rather idiotic pushback he did for clear cut political and reformist strategies... the issue is that HE HIMSELF never allow an institution to form within PTI with strong secondary layers that people would recognize. No depth, no succession, no structure the establishment could not simply reach in and dismantle. That was not an accident.

To me it is was his personality that played into it which is pretty consistent. Now, before this is taken as all critique let me clear I am showing you WHY he was not suited to bring the change and NOT that he is not a success story - so is Mahatir and so is Trump...

Before we put this all on him, yes the Bajwa-Faiz structure was there overseeing him and I have it on authority that a certain officer also seconded Buzdar when IK had reservations initially. Anyone giving the establishment a free chit in PTI errors(and success at times) and purely putting it on IK is DELUSIONAL. The argument is not that Imran Khan operated in a clean environment and still failed. Pakistan's political environment is genuinely brutal and the establishment genuinely betrayed him after using him. Both things can be and are true.


Only son within sisters so has the pressure to be the outstanding son BUT with deep respect for women in his life - what he did in SKMH is evidence of a commendable "maternal" idealization and is clearly the driving moment for him.. yet, this bites him in later years of his life.

Look at how his most devoted followers talk about him. The alpha male potency, the outward heroism, the "only he can fix it" framing. Which, by the way, can serve very conveniently as cover for interests that have nothing to do with Pakistan and everything to do with legacy and relevance.

But, this is the fun part -he cannot take criticism from anyone, not just opponents. Go look at his interviews, his actions during both his cricket days and his time in power. People inside the party have testified that he does not absorb criticism to the point where he escalates, demeans, or dismisses the source entirely.

His cult members do the same. I am making a distinction here - I am drawing a clear line between people who supported PTI, still believe in the ideas, still have genuine hopes for the party as a vehicle for reform AND those who are in a full IK cult where the man operates at prophetic, almost messianic level for them. These are not the same people and they should not be treated as such.

His entire self esteem is "me , me and only me" which means he isn't looking to build an institution or country but his own legacy as irreplicable. This is why criticism from peers(party leaders, faujis or otherwise) is more threatening to him than criticism from opponents because peers imply that someone else could do what he does, which the architecture cannot tolerate.

Even his relationships are clues - he wants to test all his relationships with extreme loyalty - Jemima is on record both having gone through it - builds people up but as soon as they dont meet his EXACT demands - discards them - see how many early PTI members left because of this.

Take that and put it into how he did in cricket and then in power:
He did not even acknowledge his teammates in the 92 win - what does that tell you? Wasim Akram later made clear that Khan treated it as his World Cup. Not theirs. His.

Sarfaraz Nawaz - still a decent player - critiques his captaincy - he says Sarfaraz cannot build a dispensary while he has built a hospital? Is that a reflective reformative leader or a egoistic man - you think this man would listen to any reason on Buzdar?

When he was accused of ball tampering(like many others) he did not say it was wrong or he made a mistake and actually said he had copied it from gora players(who sued him later on this) So instead of accountability, deflection and not his problem. Guess where that came back in the PDM drama? The cipher(no pun intended) because off course there were no governance issues with PTI.
Go further, he makes a decision and reverses on it if he feels it paints him in spot(not PTI, not Pakistan - HIM)
India trade reversal within 24 hours - his advisors left holding the trash
Saudis complain to military about Malaysia summit - IK obliges - foreign office appointments left embarrassed.
Five different FBR chairs in a single term.

But, he did matter and I wont put it as plain incompetence like you see with PML(N) but that "my way or the highway" .

So the decision making of someone with a high need for control and a near zero tolerance for second opinion. Hamid mir is on record telling him not to do a party and he agrees then goes and makes a party anyway. So every time in his governance someone pushes back, in his internal logic, he is never wrong. That person has failed his vision, so the person has to go. This is textbook victim-hero narrative internally because it prevents internal accountablity - mujhe khuda ne chuna hai aur meray saath sirf ziadti hai - main masoom hun.

If all setbacks are conspiracies, no failure can be owned

Ironically, the mediocrity who inevitably end up in charge of establishment themselves have this character in many ways cannot see that BY IMPRISONING HIM you REINFORCE this narrative.

No military general forced him to run a party with zero second layer leadership, zero internal democracy and zero succession architecture.

A man capable of genuine institutional building would have used those four years differently. He had the mandate, the establishment cover, the public goodwill and the talent inside PTI to actually construct something durable AND HE squandered most of it BECAUSE of WHO HE IS.

He built a movement around irreplaceability. Now the movement cannot function without him, and he cannot accept the compromise that would free him, because compromise would make him look replaceable.

Which is why I maintain - he was great to get the competent people in charge but because those that cleared the way - those who put troops that prevented other electoral reps but let PTI into the booth - are themselves incompetent to see that he was best pushed to presidency on whatever technicality they could make up instead of making him PM.