PTI news, updates and discussions part ll

[Goenitz]

 

[Oscar]

Bro come on. Don’t make such idiotic statements, don’t compare some politicians to the grandson of the prophet

Unfortunately, as you go into personality worship so you shall do. But the analogy is fine.
I remember a senior PTI leader coming on drunk to a TV show and saying "Allah ke baad koi hai Pakistan ke liye woh Imran Khan hai"..

 

[hasssanali8998]

In literature, a simile is often used

no sorry comparing and using the greatest tragedy in our religions history for petty politics is not okay
u guys are the same people that get worked up when fujeets use religious langauge in their propganda , so pls dont do the same shit

 

[Oscar]

no sorry comparing and using the greatest tragedy in our religons history for petty politics is not okay
u guys are the same people that get worked up when fujeets use religious langauge in their propganda , so pls dont do the same shit

Cultism is cultism - and to that every hypocrisy is justifiable. The establishment does it for theirs , PPPP for theirs and these ones for theirs.

Interesingly, IK looks to be in decent shape compared to the picture painted of him by PTI trolls of being Davy Jones with one eye. If anything, Salman Raja visited IK recently and he is pretty good health and able to get most of his routine in.

That doesn't absolve the establishment of their idiocy in political prisoner keeping but that also doesn't mean IK's conditions are ANYWHERE comparable to what Mandela went through - and perhaps IK comes out a sharper and humbled individual who can eventually change the system with a long term vision rather than the egoistic idealism he kept being prone to.

 

[Cipher212]

Every anecdote I've ever heard of IK, in person from people who've met him or in media, it's clear that he has that 'My Way or The Highway' attitude his whole life. It's his biggest strength and weakness.

This has irked many people to no end. Understandable. It's a valid point that such a personality will always be terrible at politics especially when it comes to outreach and being a mediator. That's all fine. But I can argue that this is exactly the type of attitude you need to face faujis and the landed elite.

But as a whole he remains the best bet currently for (pipe dream, I know) civilian supremacy or at least reducing the role of Army and ISI in politics. His party is the only one that even tried to bring in new faces. Sohail Afridi kon hay? He's some bloody civilian who has been made chief minister of an entire province. Is he going to be any good? Probably not. He'll be mediocre at best but this is a huge step in the right direction. If this system is maintained and you have a proper grassroots political system, believe me you will get far better leaders than PMA can train. Look at any functioning country for proof of this.


The others don't even bother to hide their dynastic politics anymore. They openly say yes we're working with Fauj in a 'hybrid' system which is essentially a veiled martial law system where civilian dogs will take the fall for any mistake or shortcomings of generals who for some reason are interested in ANYTHING but commanding their units/wings/brigades/branches

He is the only running horse in a stable full of donkeys while we argue over whether he gallops fast enough or not.

Whether or not he's in decent shape in jail right now or he really did lose an eye is not the problem. He shouldn't be there in the first place! Everyone on this forum knows he didn't steal no bloody watch. Even the faujeets (who themselves are bloody civilians btw, IDK why they defend Fauj so hard ) know this in their heart.

I am not that great at articulating my thoughts but I'm just so tired of this age old myth pushed in Pakistan where you are only a patriot if you're in the Fauj or you're a ****. Any one else is just corrupt/chor/incompetent. Like those people aren't present in army too in great numbers and with NO oversight because they're on top of the food chain.

 

[LC150]

Unfortunately, as you go into personality worship so you shall do. But the analogy is fine.
I remember a senior PTI leader coming on drunk to a TV show and saying "Allah ke baad koi hai Pakistan ke liye woh Imran Khan hai"..

like that noonie who said with Nawaz sharif's arrive a new fragrance in Pakistan has arrived?..


some people mistake breaking the wind as fragrance....

 

[LC150]

very anecdote I've ever heard of IK, in person from people who've met him or in media, it's clear that he has that 'My Way or The Highway' attitude his whole life. It's his biggest strength and weakness.

correct observation

this attitude stems from his history of successes... whether graduating from top notch education like Oxford, winning the World Cup, trophy bride etc he can rub the wrong way with people who are less accomplished. I still remember him taking down to a CNN reporter ( I think) who said golf is hard game and he said nothing compared to cricket..

the point his attitude of superiority can turn off People.. but some one who followed him for decades realise he wants other Pakistanis to do the same ie not be losers... I mean seriously when you go around Pakistan how many "winners" do you actually see?.. in interview he was asked what was the most proud moment in his two years of power.."PAF pilots shooting down two indian planes'... why?.. it extemely difficult what they achieved and they made Pakistan look like a winner.

the current tinpot just wants "the old Pakistan" to continue... run down, people with low esteem, no great objective in life, etc ie losers