Bangladesh Air Force

[KingQamaR]

Go for combat proven JF17. it has BVR and comes with state of art air to air missiles and with other goodies that’s all you want. Its Affordable and right jet for a small mid size country like yours. I don’t believe China will give you Jc-10ce. China will not trusts the risks of its technology falling into the wrong hands

 

[Afif]

Go for combat proven JF17. it has BVR and comes with state of art air to air missiles and with other goodies that’s all you want.

I am not sure JF17 is what BAF wants.

I don’t believe China will give you Jc-10ce.

Here's the thing, Chinese foreign policy isn't influenced by third party assessments. China views its relation with BD as warm and friendly. And there is billions to be made here with 20/24 J10CE. Let's wait and see.

 

[KingQamaR]

I am not sure JF17 is what BAF wants.




Here's the thing, Chinese foreign policy isn't influenced by third party assessments. China views its relation with BD as warm and friendly. And there is billions to be made here with 20/24 J10CE. Let's wait and see.

Jf17 is a good 4 generation fighter designed for customers to upgrade it . Affordable for small air forces that don’t have the same requirements as the big dogs. It’s also a good option for air forces that need to field a larger number of jets to cover more territory. if it’s good enough to shoot french down mirage that is overpriced and blow up a S400 .

 

[Afif]

PM calls for fair, merit-based promotions in Navy, Air Force

PM adorns Navy chief with Admiral rank badge

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The Prime Minister later visited the Aerospace Research and Development Complex (ARDC) and observed its research and development activities.

Various indigenously developed UAVs, (drones, kamikaze drones, interceptor drones and vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) systems,) were displayed during the visit. He also watched the flight of an indigenous quadcopter.





Tarique Rahman expressed hope that the development of such modern aviation systems using the Air Force's own technological capabilities will mark significant progress in research, innovation and technological self-reliance.

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@LeonBlack08 @Avicenna @AbuShalehRumi @Michael Corleone @Arthur BAF has developed/is developing ISR UAV, Kamikaze UAV, interceptor UAV. VTOL UAV/quadcopter.

I am pretty sure they intend to mass produce them with newly built $50 millions manufacturing plant as they previously stated. This is good work.

 

[AbuShalehRumi]

PM calls for fair, merit-based promotions in Navy, Air Force

PM adorns Navy chief with Admiral rank badge

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The Prime Minister later visited the Aerospace Research and Development Complex (ARDC) and observed its research and development activities.

Various indigenously developed UAVs, (drones, kamikaze drones, interceptor drones and vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) systems,) were displayed during the visit. He also watched the flight of an indigenous quadcopter.

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Tarique Rahman expressed hope that the development of such modern aviation systems using the Air Force's own technological capabilities will mark significant progress in research, innovation and technological self-reliance.

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@LeonBlack08 @Avicenna @AbuShalehRumi @Michael Corleone @Arthur BAF has developed/is developing ISR UAV, Kamikaze UAV, interceptor UAV. VTOL UAV/quadcopter.

I am pretty sure they intend to mass produce them with newly built $50 millions manufacturing plant as they previously stated. This is good work.

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Bro, Fighter jet where?

 

[Afif]

Bro, Fighter jet where?

So very nearly there.....

 

[Afif]

PM calls for fair, merit-based promotions in Navy, Air Force

PM adorns Navy chief with Admiral rank badge

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The Prime Minister later visited the Aerospace Research and Development Complex (ARDC) and observed its research and development activities.

Various indigenously developed UAVs, (drones, kamikaze drones, interceptor drones and vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) systems,) were displayed during the visit. He also watched the flight of an indigenous quadcopter.

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Tarique Rahman expressed hope that the development of such modern aviation systems using the Air Force's own technological capabilities will mark significant progress in research, innovation and technological self-reliance.

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@LeonBlack08 @Avicenna @AbuShalehRumi @Michael Corleone @Arthur BAF has developed/is developing ISR UAV, Kamikaze UAV, interceptor UAV. VTOL UAV/quadcopter.

I am pretty sure they intend to mass produce them with newly built $50 millions manufacturing plant as they previously stated. This is good work.

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Also this-


"Later, Tarique Rahman visited the Air Defence Operations Centre (ADOC), where he unveiled the inaugural plaque of the Air Defence System Integration (ADSI) and observed its various air defence activities.

He also visited the Air Command Operations Centre (ACOC), where he observed, through a digital large display, simulated fighter aircraft interception operations and a helicopter troop insertion operation supported by a live feed from an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV)."

 

[Michael]

Here's the thing, Chinese foreign policy isn't influenced by third party assessments. China views its relation with BD as warm and friendly. And there is billions to be made here with 20/24 J10CE. Let's wait and see.

Objectively speaking, if the Bangladesh Air Force wants to purchase J-10CE fighter jets, China has no political problems.

There's only one problem: Bangladesh doesn't have enough cash!

Given the level of mutual trust between China and Bangladesh, China is unlikely to provide Bangladesh with financial services similar to Pakistan's ultra-long-term installment payments. Unless Bangladesh can provide other guarantees commensurate with its value.

You've seriously overlooked one issue: the total cost.

Even if Bangladesh fully complies with the PAF's procurement plan, and China offers the exact same price, these J-10CE fighter jets won't be able to fulfill their intended role in the Bangladesh Air Force. The core reason is that Bangladesh lacks its support system. And the expenses of this support system are even more expensive than the fighter jet procurement package itself…

 

[Afif]

You've seriously overlooked one issue: the total cost.

Even if Bangladesh fully complies with the PAF's procurement plan, and China offers the exact same price, these J-10CE fighter jets won't be able to fulfill their intended role in the Bangladesh Air Force. The core reason is that Bangladesh lacks its support system. And the expenses of this support system are even more expensive than the fighter jet procurement package itself…

No, I didn't overlook anything. You know jackshit about BAF and its ground based capabilities. Yet you keep running your mouth about it. BAF has more than enough support system. Including long and medium range AESA surveillance radars, air defense system integration (ADSI) and C2 system (that I posted above.)

 

[Yasser76]

No, I didn't overlook anything. You know jackshit about BAF and its ground based capabilities. Yet you keep running your mouth about it. BAF has more than enough support system. Including long and medium range AESA surveillance radars, air defense system integration (ADSI) and C2 system (that I posted above.)

He has a point, to get max value out of this, it needs to be part of a system of systems (AEW, High Alt SAM., high end EW), BD does not have that, but that does not means J-10Cs will be useless, just that they may well not be used to their full potential

 

[Michael]

No, I didn't overlook anything. You know jackshit about BAF and its ground based capabilities. Yet you keep running your mouth about it. BAF has more than enough support system. Including long and medium range AESA surveillance radars, air defense system integration (ADSI) and C2 system (that I posted above.)

Clearly, you have no idea where the problem lies.

The fundamental difference between the 4.5th-Gen and 4th-Gen fighter jets lies in their coordination and support networks.

From its design philosophy, the 4.5th-Gen fighter jet emphasizes air situational awareness and network-based collaborative operations. The fighter jet itself is merely a node in this network; a complete OODA loop relies on the entire network, not a single fighter jet. If the network's support is insufficient, it will be forced to operate at a degraded level. ------ The Indian Air Force's Rafale fighter jets are a typical example of this situation. They lack a corresponding comprehensive support network. Therefore, Rafale pilots can only rely on simple radio communications to communicate with each other, rather than the standard 4.5th-Gen tactical network.

The Bangladesh Air Force is indeed strengthening its C2 infrastructure. I'm not denying that. My point isn't that the Bangladesh Air Force lacks a C2 network, but rather another very serious issue: network compatibility.

Pakistan has long engaged in extensive military-technical cooperation with China. Its military networks are fully compatible with China's export weapon platforms. This is their greatest advantage. Bangladesh, however, does not possess this advantage.

Btw. In 2025, Bangladesh will deploy the GM403M air defense radar to enhance its aerial surveillance and air defense capabilities. However, the supplier of this radar is on the Chinese government's sanctions list. Therefore, this radar is unlikely to be compatible with any advanced Chinese military weapon platforms.

 

[Michael]

In the early days of 4G mobile communication, many completely different network standards existed. Different mobile operators used different network standards, and users needed phones with corresponding network standards to function properly. It wasn't until later that chip manufacturers began releasing multi-mode compatible chips…

Unfortunately, in the military field, this problem is far more complex. The three existing systems in the world today (China, Russia, and the US/NATO) are incompatible with each other.

 

[Arthur]

So very nearly there.....

I hope it’s not just another sisyphus act this time again.

China has no political problems.

There's only one problem: Bangladesh doesn't have enough cash!

Don’t you think your statements contradicts themselves?

Cuz where's political will, cash means jack shit there.

 

[Afif]

Btw. In 2025, Bangladesh will deploy the GM403M air defense radar to enhance its aerial surveillance and air defense capabilities. However, the supplier of this radar is on the Chinese government's sanctions list. Therefore, this radar is unlikely to be compatible with any advanced Chinese military weapon platforms.

Dude, we are not expecting NATO radars to communicate with J10CE. BAF has REL-4/M, JH-16 radars.


BAF always had a mix of Western and Chinese sensors and it knew they cannot communicate with each other due to different standards. They started working to solve this problem since 2019. They talked to different OEMs of radars for specialized interfacing equipment and developed a customised air defense system integration architecture from UK Artemis that supports both Chinese and NATO standards independently and then fuse the data to generate a complete air picture. (So Chinese and NATO system really don't have to talk to each other directly)

This air defense system integration (ADSI) entered service last year. And it is not a service specific system either. It has the ability to integrate sensors and air defense data from army and navy air defense systems also.

He has a point, to get max value out of this, it needs to be part of a system of systems (AEW, High Alt SAM., high end EW), BD does not have that, but that does not means J-10Cs will be useless, just that they may well not be used to their full potential

Dude, BAF isn't buying J10C or Eurofighter as stand-alone system. BAF chief simultaneously talks about acquiring long range air defense radars, MRSAM, EW, UAS, C-UAS along with fighter jets. I have posted them in this thread several times already.

 

[Yasser76]

Dude, we are not expecting NATO radars to communicate with J10CE. BAF has REL-4/M, JH-16 radars.
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BAF always had a mix of Western and Chinese sensors and it knew they cannot communicate with each other due to different standards. They started working to solve this problem since 2019. They talked to different OEMs of radars for specialized interfacing equipment and developed a customised air defense system integration architecture from UK Artemis that supports both Chinese and NATO standards independently and then fuse the data to generate a complete air picture. (So Chinese and NATO system really don't have to talk to each other directly)

This air defense system integration (ADSI) entered service last year. And it is not a service specific system either. It has the ability to integrate sensors and air defense data from army and navy air defense systems also.




Dude, BAF isn't buying J10C or Eurofighter as stand-alone system. BAF chief simultaneously talks about acquiring long range air defense radars, MRSAM, EW, UAS, C-UAS along with fighter jets. I have posted them in this thread several times already.

Yes, but it has not started on any of the main things required to support and network high end fighters just yet