Russia *OPEN TO PEACE* deal with Ukraine with Trump in office

[drkrn86]

Europe is under financial pressure and Russia is not. Is that correct ?

May be I have not made myself clear.
A SWOT analysis among these two will clearly show who is going to have financial pressure to continue this war.

Specifically to your question, both EU nations and Russia are under significant financial distress.
The question is what does an individual (country) interest dictate.

 

[drkrn86]

it practically produces all its war materials.

Nope, electronics, rare earth's, pharmaceuticals e.t.c. to name a few.

 

[UKBengali]

Nope, electronics, rare earth's, pharmaceuticals e.t.c. to name a few.

Practically is not the same as all.

So it swaps some oil and gas with China for these.

 

[Yommie]

Nope, electronics, rare earth's, pharmaceuticals e.t.c. to name a few.

Russia is one of the first countries that makes microchips back in the 1970s. Even today Russia is self reliant on microchips and makes 0.5 micrometer class microchips domestically.

 

[drkrn86]

without chinese support it’s almost impossible for the russians to continue the war. russians are much like drug addicts on overdoses. Putin is the drug dealer. the NATO says China is the „enabler“ of the war. that means without China there would be no drugs.

Partially true. Without China Russian efforts would have stalled by now.

who will replace China to buy all russian energy exports? India? Cuba?

Europe, Via India. Where do u think the energy supplies to Europe are coming from. EU have just made Russia lose on processing charges and lessen their profit on energy products.

who will provide the russians with all stuffs they need? because the russians now on war footing, they produce nothing except guns to kill more people. Iran?

China can.
Actually Russia produces almostall basic stuff to run a country uninterrupted without external support.

 

[ziaulislam]

Trump will simply cut the money to Ukraine, this is Russia's best chance to screw Ukraine and NATO over with the orange boob back in the White house

Ukriane has ro cease russian speaking areas of donbass..it can't expect to force itself on a populace under nose of russia

Cant believe they refuse russian plan of 2014 and made so many Ukrainians dead for no reason

 

[ziaulislam]

Partially true. Without China Russian efforts would have stalled by now.

Europe, Via India. Where do u think the energy supplies to Europe are coming from. EU have just made Russia lose on processing charges and lessen their profit on energy products.

China can.
Actually Russia produces almostall basic stuff to run a country uninterrupted without external support.

There is global glut if Americans also jump in gas oil market (which they arent due to climate pledges)

Russia wont find customers for its gas ..there is too much gas around

 

[drkrn86]

There is global glut if Americans also jump in gas oil market (which they arent due to climate pledges)

Russia wont find customers for its gas ..there is too much gas around

Why would Americans shoot their own foot to pull Russians down .
We all saw what happened when Russia and Saudi Arabia fought a price war.

 

[Alter_Ego]

Yes I live in UK.

Forget annual budget and think of what it produces and consumes.

Debt as proportion of GDP is now around 100% and government deficit is 5% of GDP. This cannot continue on current trajectory.

UK is living on borrowed money and is going to raise taxes by the highest amount for decades next April to try to plug the gap between spending and borrowing. Otherwise money markets will stop lending it more money unless it tries to balance the budget.

In actuality UK is a bankrupt country. Giving money to Ukraine is a luxury it cannot afford.

UK, France, Iberia, Italy all in the same boat. Debt GDP ratio way too high.

United States the same situation
but have the luxury of USD as global reserve currency.

Countries like Germany, Switzerland and Norway otoh have large export oriented industry with large trade surplus.

 

[Yommie]

UK, France, Iberia, Italy all in the same boat. Debt GDP ratio way too high.

United States the same situation
but have the luxury of USD as global reserve currency.

Countries like Germany, Switzerland and Norway otoh have large export oriented industry with large trade surplus.

German cars aren't selling in China anymore. Outcompeted by domestics.

 

[UKBengali]

UK, France, Iberia, Italy all in the same boat. Debt GDP ratio way too high.

United States the same situation
but have the luxury of USD as global reserve currency.

Countries like Germany, Switzerland and Norway otoh have large export oriented industry with large trade surplus.

Germany is also screwed.

War against Russia and their car industry is getting decimated.

 

[nahtanbob]

May be I have not made myself clear.
A SWOT analysis among these two will clearly show who is going to have financial pressure to continue this war.

Specifically to your question, both EU nations and Russia are under significant financial distress.
The question is what does an individual (country) interest dictate.

SWOT analysis ...

Tell me the next time you see French/German whores in Mumbai/Goa/Dubai. Now there are plenty of Russian whores. Now they might be f**king because they love brown d*cks or it might be they have no money. I will let you figure that out

 

[That_Guy]

What's the logic behind this assumption. Even Ukrainians want a solution for this war.

Everyone wants a solution for the war, and to the Ukrainians the solution isn't to surrender to Russia.

Civil unest or Revolt may be its likited to a specific area. Otherwise Russia would already have been on Blackfoot by now.

Russia IS on the back foot.

Busted in what way. Any articles or references to read?

Plenty of evidence out there, this has already been debunked multiple times to the point that even the Russians don't use this talking point anymore, go look it up yourself.

Would be surprised. Russia already had territorial gains with no sight of being dislodged anytime soon.

Russia's goal wasn't just a part of Ukraine, it was the complete take over of Ukraine; they've just realized that Ukraine won't go down without a fight, and had to significantly downgrade.

If Ukraine surrenders it's captured territory, it knows that Russia will just rebuild its army and try again later (Russia has a history of this).

Russia also won't have a choice in the matter, it's already been severely depleted to the point that it is no longer considered a military threat to its main adversary, the USA. They will give up.

Also, keep in mind, Ukraine also controls a chunk of Russian territory as well.

 

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[drkrn86]

Everyone wants a solution for the war, and to the Ukrainians the solution isn't to surrender to Russia.

Ukraine has to concede. No option imo.

Russia IS on the back foot.

For the time being.

Plenty of evidence out there, this has already been debunked multiple times to the point that even the Russians don't use this talking point anymore, go look it up yourself.

lets agree to disagree.

Russia's goal wasn't just a part of Ukraine, it was the complete take over of Ukraine

Yes. Their main goal was to install a favourable regime. They failed.

they've just realized that Ukraine won't go down without a fight, and had to significantly downgrade.

Yes.

If Ukraine surrenders it's captured territory, it knows that Russia will just rebuild its army and try again later (Russia has a history of this).

Far fetched assumptions. Ukraine started this, NATO poured gasoline in the raging fire.

Russia also won't have a choice in the matter

I disagree.

it's already been severely depleted to the point that it is no longer considered a military threat to its main adversary, the USA.

Agreed.

They will give up.

Not here.

Also, keep in mind, Ukraine also controls a chunk of Russian territory as well.

IMO it's a diversionary tactic. To divert Russian advances elsewhere. Didn't work.