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Kursk is too small to exchange for anything except maybe Kharkov.

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F-22Raptor said:
False, at the outset of the War, Ukraines goal was to survive. It’s done that about as well as it possibly can considering the circumstances faced.

Sure, as the war progressed joining NATO became a goal, but it doesn’t need to be a member of NATO to be Western aligned, conduct trade deals with the West, recieve arms from the West, and host military forces from the West. Even if NATO is not an option, it’s a de facto Western aligned/NATO state.

As for the Black Sea, Russia does not have the upper hand, and as it stands today the Russian Black Sea Fleet has lost. What remains of the Fleet is docked in the East and they don’t patrol anywhere near Crimea or Ukraine anymore.
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2008 Nato declared Ukraine and Georgia would become Nato members one day

2014 Ukraine ended non aligned status

2017 Ukraine amended its constitution to join Nato

2021 Nato confirmed Ukraine will join one day.

Joining Nato has been a goal for over a decade.

The upper hand I referred to overall not only in the context of blacksea.

Russia is winning the war, they hold 20% of Ukraine, Nato membership is so far off it cant be seen. Russian depty foreign minister just said yesterday all of putins terms he mentioned last year must be met, this isn't a country despite the death and destruction in a rush to end the war.
 
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Ukrainian servicemen witnessed the impact of a Russian ODAB-500 bomb equipped with a UMPK module. The video is rare and archival, the location of the shooting is not reported, the bomb was presumably dropped by a Su-34NVO aircraft, the bomb exploded over the target. The ODAB-500 bomb was developed by GNPP Bazalt in the late 1980s, it contains ethylene oxide or piperylene, depending on the version. There are 4 versions of bombs in total: ODAB-500, ODAB-500P, ODAB-500PM and ODAB-500PMV. The damaging factor of the ODAB-500 bomb is a blast wave with a pressure of up to 120 atmospheres and thermal radiation of up to 2000 degrees, some call the bomb a vacuum bomb. The radius of destruction of the ODAB-500 bomb is from 30 to 300 meters, depending on the altitude of the explosion and the weather. The ODAB-500 bomb weighs 500 kg and can be equipped with a parachute. The bomb's TNT equivalent reaches one ton.

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@Viet

Malva is better than M777

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AZ_HighCountry said:
If the Russian Army is so powerful, why are they about to begin Year 4 of the "3 Day Special Military Operation"?

They outnumber and have more equipment than the Ukes yet have significantly more casualties for what little ground they've gained. How may casualties are they incurring for every yard gained? This is a numbers game and like any numbers game, they have more than the Ukes.

If their equipment is so good, why are they having to pull mothballed equipment out of storage depots for use?

Infantry tactics? What a horrible waste of men. They are too dumb to spread out and are being defeated by drones armed with grenades.

Riding motorcycles and ATVs into battle?

Now deploying North Koreans who themselves are finding 1950 style human wave tactics without proper air and artillery support doesn't work.

My other circles have access to plenty of OSINT and from what we're seeing, the Russian Army has not improved since its days in Afghanistan.

If the objective is to bleed Ukraine dry, they may succeed. But a lot more Russians are going to die before that happens.

Color me "not impressed" with Putin.
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You spoke of tactics and pace of the conflict. Interestingly you left out the lack of performance of western defensive and offensive systems, as opposed to Russian overwhelming advantage in performance and technology. Western military industrial complex fell far short of effectiveness. Abrams tanks, Bradley’s, leopards, challengers etc etc… are all disappointment performers! Patriot etc etc…. and the rest of lacking western defensive systems. Total failures only good fighting against farmers with Ak-47s. Let us remember Russia vs 30 nations 🤗
 
I'm going to call it a draw for now.

Let's both remember the Ukes were trained primarily on Soviet systems. Introduction to the Abrams, Bradleys, etc. has been relatively recent. You don't go from a T-80 to an Abrams overnight nor do you go from a MiG to an F-16 immediately. Just like I wouldn't go immediately from my M-16 to an L85. And, to make things worse from a logistics perspective, the Ukes now need to maintain a supply chain for Abrams, Bradleys, Challengers, Leopards, etc. What a mess.

Put American crews in those same tanks and IFVs, it would be a remake of 23 Easting IMO.

In addition, the Russians have had 3+ years to dig in. So I am not terribly surprised the Ukes have been having a tough go of it and are changing their tactics to accommodate.

The other thing, which I have pointed out repeatedly on the other forum, is we're providing Ukraine just enough fast enough to die slower.
 
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Ukraine be running out of gas.

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@Viet

Zelensky losing Donbas while continuing to waste resources in Kursk.

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The IISS estimates Russian dead and wounded at 783,000 as of January.
 
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Russians thank the West for the Marder 1A3 and M2A2 tanks.

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AZ_HighCountry said:
If the Russian Army is so powerful, why are they about to begin Year 4 of the "3 Day Special Military Operation"?

They outnumber and have more equipment than the Ukes yet have significantly more casualties for what little ground they've gained. How may casualties are they incurring for every yard gained? This is a numbers game and like any numbers game, they have more than the Ukes.

If their equipment is so good, why are they having to pull mothballed equipment out of storage depots for use?

Infantry tactics? What a horrible waste of men. They are too dumb to spread out and are being defeated by drones armed with grenades.

Riding motorcycles and ATVs into battle?

Now deploying North Koreans who themselves are finding 1950 style human wave tactics without proper air and artillery support doesn't work.

My other circles have access to plenty of OSINT and from what we're seeing, the Russian Army has not improved since its days in Afghanistan.

If the objective is to bleed Ukraine dry, they may succeed. But a lot more Russians are going to die before that happens.

Color me "not impressed" with Putin.
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There is a war of attrition going on. And judging by Trump's actions, the Americans were the first to go down. Now the Europeans will have a few months of rest, and then they'll give up too. So even with a powerful economy and the most modern weapons, you can lose a war. This is openly recognised in Europe. That's why your arguments have zero weight.
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