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[mulj]

You do know what is interest rate, right? It is not the same as credit card where you don't use your credit card and you won't get charge.

Interest rate is cash rate applies to EVERYTING. It applies to your deposit, applies to your loan, applies to your mortgage. There aren't much room if you are doing 21% interest rate because interest rate COMPOUNDS.

If you deposit 1 rouble with 21% interest rate. next year you will get 1.21 rouble back, then the next year is 1.47, then next is 1.77, and in the 4th years, it double to 2.21 (That's 221% payout in 4 years)

And you are talking about payment and debt that double every 4 years and not just 1 rouble. Think about it this way, if you are Russian buying a house in Russia and loan 300,000 rouble in Russia to pay for the house, with 21% interest rate, you owe 660,000 rouble in the 4th years........

Worst that can happen is some inaflation, so what?
They will print money like you do and everything will be fine in while.

 

[j_hungary]

Worst that can happen is some inaflation, so what?
They will print money like you do and everything will be fine in while.

Huh?? Did you read the last part of my message?

This is not about inflation, inflation is ANOTHER issue, that will compound on the excessive interest rate.

Again, bank saving double every 4 years, and loan double every 4 years, that way bank will NEVER able to pay out their deposit and people will NEVER be able to pay off their loan. And you can't solve it with printing money because you print money, you dilute the circulation, which mean 1 rouble will only worth 50 (cents?) if you print a single rouble. That's 100% inflation, well, if you do that, then the actual 10% inflation is not going to mean anything, because the value of currency is so small, you get pay normally when everything worth double overnight.

Russia don't have Forex to balance the inflation, THAT WAS THE PROBLEM AT THE BEGINNING to begin with, and printing more money will make the situation worse.

 

[mulj]

Huh?? Did you read the last part of my message?

This is not about inflation, inflation is ANOTHER issue, that will compound on the excessive interest rate.

Again, bank saving double every 4 years, and loan double every 4 years, that way bank will NEVER able to pay out their deposit and people will NEVER be able to pay off their loan. And you can't solve it with printing money because you print money, you dilute the circulation, which mean 1 rouble will only worth 50 (cents?) if you print a single rouble. That's 100% inflation, well, if you do that, then the actual 10% inflation is not going to mean anything, because the value of currency is so small, you get pay normally when everything worth double overnight.

Russia don't have Forex to balance the inflation, THAT WAS THE PROBLEM AT THE BEGINNING to begin with, and printing more money will make the situation worse.

They will survive if they managed to fend of proxy war were west throw significant resources and now backed of, they will manage that monetary crysys also, it is joke for what they survived in nineties.

 

[j_hungary]

They will survive if they managed to fend of proxy war were west throw significant resources and now backed of, they will manage that monetary crysys also, it is joke for what they survived in nineties.

You can't, that's the gist of the issue, EU is a 20 trillion economy, Russia is a 2 trillion economy. EU can dump a lot of money into it if we are just talking about money. EU can last decadeS (with a capital S) even if their economic outlook did not improve at all, Russia? doubling everything every 4 years? It's a miracle they can hang on for 4, definitely going to destroy the entire economic structure in 8.

 

[That_Guy]

Russians always saw it as battle against nato expansion and in that sense they are right, their only wrong doing is that they ditched international law under the rag after americans did many times before them and they saw that nobody cares and that might is right, you can not blame them playing it like that.

I don't blame colonial powers for attempting to steal land. After all, do you get mad at a dog for barking, or a pig for eating it's own shit?

No, its in its nature.

 

[mulj]

You can't, that's the gist of the issue, EU is a 20 trillion economy, Russia is a 2 trillion economy. EU can dump a lot of money into it if we are just talking about money. EU can last decadeS (with a capital S) even if their economic outlook did not improve at all, Russia? doubling everything every 4 years? It's a miracle they can hang on for 4, definitely going to destroy the entire economic structure in 8.

Eu is 20 trillion paper money economy, russia 2 trillion is more backed in real wealth and resources then european artificial 20, that is all what matters.
I am tired of hearing this shit about russia economic doom since war started while they kick and bounce really well, on the other hand europe struggle to avoid recession with tooth and nail.

 

[Viet]

Well, maybe that's why Russian asked the North Korean to fight in Kursk, so they can get a taste of North Korea before turning into them.........LOL

the russians give foods, money, oil in exchange of north korean lives.
Kim has good laugh. he will get fatter.

 

[j_hungary]

Eu is 20 trillion paper money economy, russia 2 trillion is more backed in real wealth and resources then european artificial 20, that is all what matters.
I am tired of hearing this shit about russia economic doom while they kick and bounce really well.

Wow, so many thing is wrong with this post, I don't even know where to start.......

First of all, you are talking about commodity, commodity depends on 2 things.

1.) Market
2.) Supply and Demand

Take oil for example. Russian is Sanctioned, which mean they won't be selling for $76 dollar a barrel (Brent Crude Price) It is selling lower because there are only certain demand for Russian oil.

Secondly, you can't pay your own people with resources, I am talking about internal debt. A worker working in a Siberia iron mine won't take oil as payment, there are no use for them. You have to exchange it to something that they can be pay with, and even then you would still be hit by that 200% growth in your debt. That still not changed.

And finally, money, ALL MONEY are backed by the trust on the central bank, I don't care if you have 2 trillion dollar of resource in Russia, first of all, it take Money to extract it, second of all, that's a definite number, and you are applying in a circulation of economy, how would you even do that, using the same drop of oil twice?? 2 trillion dollars' worth of resource will only be worth 2 trillion dollar, and in this case, you are talking about lasting around 2 years as Russia is a 2 trillion economy, then what? All the value are gone with those resource.

Country DEBT are ALWAYS bigger than their currency base and/or circulation, that's why we have money to begin with, not trading things with another things, because once you used up that thing, be it an iron ore, barrel of oil, tank of gas, basket of potatoes that's gone, and if you use up your money, it just mean they were being paid to someone else, and value is still here.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Russians always saw it as battle against nato expansion and in that sense they are right, their only wrong doing is that they ditched international law under the rag after americans did many times before them and they saw that nobody cares and that might is right, you can not blame them playing it like that.

Exactly, after Maidan coup it was a matter of time. Besides that totally exposes Russian front lines for a direct ground invasion.

The ones who planned this conflict saw only two positives coming out of it and no repercussions.
Ukrainians fighting, Ukrainian loses.
Degrading and draining Russia without bleeding Europe.

The best case scenario would have been Russia losing face and agreeing to a post conflict resolution that allows for a Ukrainian membership of not only NATO but EU. And, Russia recedes... lingering along until enough opposition can be fomented internally to cause a civil war leading to full disintegration.

 

[j_hungary]

the russians give foods, money, oil in exchange of north korean lives.
Kim has good laugh. he will get fatter.

Kim is laughing all the way in his bed, sleeping in Russian oil perhaps. lol

 

[mulj]

Wow, so many thing is wrong with this post, I don't even know where to start.......

First of all, you are talking about commodity, commodity depends on 2 things.

1.) Market
2.) Supply and Demand

Take oil for example. Russian is Sanctioned, which mean they won't be selling for $76 dollar a barrel (Brent Crude Price) It is selling lower because there are only certain demand for Russian oil.

Secondly, you can't pay your own people with resources, I am talking about internal debt. A worker working in a Siberia iron mine won't take oil as payment, there are no use for them. You have to exchange it to something that they can be pay with, and even then you would still be hit by that 200% growth in your debt. That still not changed.

And finally, money, ALL MONEY are backed by the trust on the central bank, I don't care if you have 2 trillion dollar of resource in Russia, first of all, it take Money to extract it, second of all, that's a definite number, and you are applying in a circulation of economy, how would you even do that, using the same drop of oil twice?? 2 trillion dollars' worth of resource will only be worth 2 trillion dollar, and in this case, you are talking about lasting around 2 years as Russia is a 2 trillion economy, then what? All the value are gone with those resource.

Country DEBT are ALWAYS bigger than their currency base and/or circulation, that's why we have money to begin with, not trading things with another things, because once you used up that thing, be it an iron ore, barrel of oil, tank of gas, basket of potatoes that's gone, and if you use up your money, it just mean they were being paid to someone else, and value is still here.

One word answer for your concerns and it is China...they suck up their resources and provide everything needed for undisrupted comfortable consumer oriented civilian life.

Meanwhile trump is sucking putin's dick so hard that i am wondering that those two guys are in some sort of scheme to **** up europe.
Your writing is so dems administration period, you should update firmware and move on.

 

[mulj]

It is over, so many lives lost for stupid war between almost same people.

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[mack8]

Elon Musk is driving a Tesla over Zelensky's head again.

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[Mero]

I will bet with you now, Europe will bankrupt itself, it is just simple economics, you can print money but you have to back it up with resources, energy, food etc and cheap manufactured goods. Guess who is one of the world's largest food and energy producer, guess who has a neighbour producing affordable industrial goods? Loook at Germany now! I sometimes think that this war was started to weaken Europe. They first start the war in Syria and caused the 'demographic dividend' in Eurabia and then years later they cut off cheap energy and accelerated the deindustrilization of Germany. EU is now facing fragmentation thanks to those immigrants and the rise of right wing ideology. The biggest threat to US is not China alone, it was a sovereign independent Europe.

Yep Trump/Washington are using Putin's war on Europe to force Europe into continual crisis, one of those crises is debt crisis. Trump want NATO to spend more, to push Europe into more debt buying expensive American weapons.

Europeans need to first balance the budget while still having a growing economy. Spend wisely on military weapons.

Putin's war with Ukraine pushes Europeans into the arms of Washington to "defend Europe", expands American hegemony while Trump cries America as the "victim" of Europe. Causes economic troubles for Europe via energy crisis and debt to pay for minimal economic growth. Causes European nations to spend more for defending Ukraine and for their own defense budget. This causes high debt, higher interest payments, potentially lower GDP. Washington is using Russia to take out Europe as a rival and foe.

‘Very dangerous’: Putin, Trump want to weaken the European Union, top official says​

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/22/very-dangerous-putin-trump-want-to-weaken-eu-top-official-says.html

Looks like China could be last standing vs Trump. Though that is not reassuring to the Chinese. The whole agenda is to isolate the disease of MAGA to the United States. Musk, Putin and pals are for the expansion of the disease of MAGA globally.

 

[Yommie]

Ukraine losing lots of tanks to cheap plastic drones.

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