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Why would they want to close a Cauldron that Ukrainian keeps throwing best men and equipment into? 🤣

So the clown of Kiev has zero bargaining chips. Besides plenty have been slaughtered there already. Time to move the front lines forward.
 
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Zelenski should stop listening to his western handlers who have helped to completey destroy his country with fake promises and now their eyes are on robbing its natural resources.

If Zelenski was a real leader he would go to Moscow speak to Putin agree a ceasefire, where he bends the knee. Better to bend the knee to Putin go neutral and rebuild the country than get suck dry by count trumpastein.
That was their goal, to use them and then ditch them, like toilet paper. The Jew will be given political asylum and live an unhappy life thereafter.
 
this has now been confirmed false.
It's not false, it's just not NATO guarantee, but them this is not the cease fire deal, this is the mineral deal..

If you look at the deal, it requires the US to reinvest those funds to supply arms to Ukraine and then they aren't getting 66% of the resource until Ukraine roll back those territories.


So that's the security guarantee right there, or they are not getting 2/3 of anything

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If the lines are frozen as they stand it's already in Russia's favor. Trump has publicly said Zelensky won't have a country left AND Zelensky has no cards to play. That's already in Russia's favor. Ukraine isn't even involved in the negotiations. You don't have to look to the future just examine these facts.

As @Viet said

this “peace agreement” is “Hey, I take 20 percent of your house and reserve the right to take the rest later”. “and by the way you give up your gun, you don’t call the police”.

I mean, this may be how you negotiate, I don't think most other people do it this way.


Don't need analysis from someone who fails to recognize realities on the ground. Thanks for the offer. You talk about how the future is not guaranteed but you're so sure Ukraine will be in NATO even though the main decision makers disagree with you. What would your analysis have to offer?

LOL............

The reality on the ground is Russian failed to retake either Kursk or Porvorsk since August 2024.

And no, Trump is not the main decision maker, he is going to be replace sooner or later, plus, this is not about Trump, you need Congress to approve the bill to put Ukraine in NATO. Trump said he is king, he actually is not. If Trump lost both house, in 2027, that's going to be a serious change of scene.

I do care about the Muslims harmed by Russians - but Russia today is not participating in those kinds of conflicts. This isn't about quantity of people killed "Russians killed more than Israelis" is irrelevant. There will be a time for Russians to answer for their crimes and you won't find any sympathy for Russian casualties either.

Thanks for pointing out the guilt of the UNSC, I agree.

Huh?? You do know Chechen war is mid-00s just like Iraq and Afghanistan, and you do know the oppression is still continue today in Dagestan and Chechen, right? And you were quoting the 500k Iraqi childrend back in 1990s.................


And most far right, which is what Putin is, hated Muslim, just look at AfD, they openly declare Muslim as Enemy of German, and you think they are not participating those kind of conflict??

But anyway, this is about Ukraine, I am going to leave you with that.

The provinces Russia currently occupies will be recognized as Russian territory.

The following depends on many factors including Russia's willingness to decouple from China and the true threat of China to US:
1) Russia will control territory up to Dnipro river.
2) Ukraine will be landlocked as Russia will take Odessa
3) Ukraine will be demilitarized and will be forced to concede they will never be in NATO.

lol, with what?

First of all, taking Odessa is a dream, they can't even manage to hold on to Snake Island, and the entire Black Sea Fleet had been moved back, how are you going to take Odessa, which is at the far West end of Ukraine, without an amphibious assault? I mean, you seems to "know" a lot about miltiary, do tell me how Russia is going to do it if you are the one planning the operation.

Second of all, you can't demilitarize Ukraine until you take Kyiv. which is the most secure capital in the world as of this moment, there are 10 Brigade in and around the Kyiv Oblast. And then you have all the natural barrier in between and a Giant Chernobyl Powerplant that basically act like a mini nuke as they keep spilling radiation. This is the reason why the 40 km convoy failed because of all the BUND. Again, please do tell me how you can do that, I mean I am just a tiny Captain in the Army, this is out of my ability to formulate a plan.

And finally, It's going to be a long time, if they can ever be, to go up to Dnipner river.

Dude, I can say Ukriane will march down to Moscow and demand Putin to stop the war, that does not mean there are means and able to do it. You have no idea how hard it is for any of what you said to come true, and with the current Russian progress? All I can say is LOL.

Again (x3) Russia does not want to occupy all of Ukraine. Look at the situation dynamically :
- Without American support the Europeans will fight amongst themselves for scraps. This isn't predicting the future you can see this happening already. Because of this support for Ukraine will drop drastically and Russian advances will accelerate.
- Look at the two biggest funders of Ukraine - US, Germany. Trump is pushing Zelensky out and publicly he wants this war over and will revoke support. Germany elections show AfD support much greater than before. AfD shows willingness to get closer to Russia the government will be forced to listen to their voices especially considering the energy prices have crippled German manufacturing which is a direct consequence of this war.

I could go on but you keep repeating Russia wants Kiev and western Ukraine and refuse to look at the situation dynamically.
Yes, they don't want Kyiv, that why they stacked 40% of their invasion force and try to march on Kyiv? Am I right? A feign stop being a feign when you actually move those troop and engage in combat. this is not a push and pull, they spend 37 days there, losing resource and troop, they wanted to take Kyiv, that's how it goes, I mean you can believewhatever you want.

AfD? LOL They will never be in power, regardless of how much support they have CDU already said it like twelve times that they are not forming coalition with AfD in Germany, in fact, none of the other 4 big party did, and with CDU elected and Merz as Chancellor, it's estimated that he will increase support to Ukraine as well as increase Germany Defence output, and at this moment, CDU and SDP alone already have enough to form the government, AfD can't do anything and is a nothing burger.

And again, nobody will be stupid enough to pre-defeat themselves in the negotiation table. You are of course entitle to your opinion, but unless Ukraine is really stupid or unless Russia suddenly found the gear, there are nothing they could do.
 
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I mean, this may be how you negotiate, I don't think most other people do it this way.
In your analogy Ukraine is the homeowner. In reality the homeowner is not even at the negotiating table. You're looking at a very very small section of this conflict - this analogy is horrible : Who's supplying the homeowner? Does the homeowner want the supplier to defend their house? What will the homeowner do if there's no more supply? Does the supplier want to defend the home?

Let's not oversimplify.
Huh?? You do know Chechen war is mid-00s just like Iraq and Afghanistan, and you do know the oppression is still continue today in Dagestan and Chechen, right? And you were quoting the 500k Iraqi childrend back in 1990s.................

And most far right, which is what Putin is, hated Muslim, just look at AfD, they openly declare Muslim as Enemy of German, and you think they are not participating those kind of conflict??

But anyway, this is about Ukraine, I am going to leave you with that.
I've addressed your concerns about Russian crimes against Muslims.

lol, with what?

First of all, taking Odessa is a dream, they can't even manage to hold on to Snake Island, and the entire Black Sea Fleet had been moved back, how are you going to take Odessa, which is at the far West end of Ukraine, without an amphibious assault? I mean, you seems to "know" a lot about miltiary, do tell me how Russia is going to do it if you are the one planning the operation.

Second of all, you can't demilitarize Ukraine until you take Kyiv. which is the most secure capital in the world as of this moment, there are 10 Brigade in and around the Kyiv Oblast. And then you have all the natural barrier in between and a Giant Chernobyl Powerplant that basically act like a mini nuke as they keep spilling radiation. This is the reason why the 40 km convoy failed because of all the BUND. Again, please do tell me how you can do that, I mean I am just a tiny Captain in the Army, this is out of my ability to formulate a plan.

And finally, It's going to be a long time, if they can ever be, to go up to Dnipner river.

Dude, I can say Ukriane will march down to Moscow and demand Putin to stop the war, that does not mean there are means and able to do it. You have no idea how hard it is for any of what you said to come true, and with the current Russian progress? All I can say is LOL.
What are your predictions? Don't tell me you don't like to discuss the future.
btw I didn't say those outcomes would be achieved militarily - US will impose those on Ukraine once US engineers a regime change to oust their regime changed Zelensky.

Yes, they don't want Kyiv, that why they stacked 40% of their invasion force and try to march on Kyiv? Am I right? A feign stop being a feign when you actually move those troop and engage in combat. this is not a push and pull, they spend 37 days there, losing resource and troop, they wanted to take Kyiv, that's how it goes, I mean you can believewhatever you want.
How do you handle the cognitive dissonance of "Russian army is weak/slow" and "Russia will take over Ukraine"? Please share your predictions - you already said Ukraine will be in NATO.
AfD? LOL They will never be in power, regardless of how much support they have CDU already said it like twelve times that they are not forming coalition with AfD in Germany, in fact, none of the other 4 big party did, and with CDU elected and Merz as Chancellor, it's estimated that he will increase support to Ukraine as well as increase Germany Defence output, and at this moment, CDU and SDP alone already have enough to form the government, AfD can't do anything and is a nothing burger.
Let's wait and see about the coalition, politicians say a lot of things. It's difficult to ignore a party that got 29% of the vote especially if you look at the East-West divide. And remember Germany is not doing well because of this war: they refused to send Taurus to Ukraine, they had nordstream blow up, they have some of the highest energy prices in the world, etc. AfD or the German government only has to stymie the weapon supply to greatly harm Ukraine.
And again, nobody will be stupid enough to pre-defeat themselves in the negotiation table. You are of course entitle to your opinion, but unless Ukraine is really stupid or unless Russia suddenly found the gear, there are nothing they could do.
Ukraine is not at the negotiating table.
 
As @Viet said



I mean, this may be how you negotiate, I don't think most other people do it this way.




LOL............

The reality on the ground is Russian failed to retake either Kursk or Porvorsk since August 2024.

And no, Trump is not the main decision maker, he is going to be replace sooner or later, plus, this is not about Trump, you need Congress to approve the bill to put Ukraine in NATO. Trump said he is king, he actually is not. If Trump lost both house, in 2027, that's going to be a serious change of scene.



Huh?? You do know Chechen war is mid-00s just like Iraq and Afghanistan, and you do know the oppression is still continue today in Dagestan and Chechen, right? And you were quoting the 500k Iraqi childrend back in 1990s.................


And most far right, which is what Putin is, hated Muslim, just look at AfD, they openly declare Muslim as Enemy of German, and you think they are not participating those kind of conflict??

But anyway, this is about Ukraine, I am going to leave you with that.



lol, with what?

First of all, taking Odessa is a dream, they can't even manage to hold on to Snake Island, and the entire Black Sea Fleet had been moved back, how are you going to take Odessa, which is at the far West end of Ukraine, without an amphibious assault? I mean, you seems to "know" a lot about miltiary, do tell me how Russia is going to do it if you are the one planning the operation.

Second of all, you can't demilitarize Ukraine until you take Kyiv. which is the most secure capital in the world as of this moment, there are 10 Brigade in and around the Kyiv Oblast. And then you have all the natural barrier in between and a Giant Chernobyl Powerplant that basically act like a mini nuke as they keep spilling radiation. This is the reason why the 40 km convoy failed because of all the BUND. Again, please do tell me how you can do that, I mean I am just a tiny Captain in the Army, this is out of my ability to formulate a plan.

And finally, It's going to be a long time, if they can ever be, to go up to Dnipner river.

Dude, I can say Ukriane will march down to Moscow and demand Putin to stop the war, that does not mean there are means and able to do it. You have no idea how hard it is for any of what you said to come true, and with the current Russian progress? All I can say is LOL.


Yes, they don't want Kyiv, that why they stacked 40% of their invasion force and try to march on Kyiv? Am I right? A feign stop being a feign when you actually move those troop and engage in combat. this is not a push and pull, they spend 37 days there, losing resource and troop, they wanted to take Kyiv, that's how it goes, I mean you can believewhatever you want.

AfD? LOL They will never be in power, regardless of how much support they have CDU already said it like twelve times that they are not forming coalition with AfD in Germany, in fact, none of the other 4 big party did, and with CDU elected and Merz as Chancellor, it's estimated that he will increase support to Ukraine as well as increase Germany Defence output, and at this moment, CDU and SDP alone already have enough to form the government, AfD can't do anything and is a nothing burger.

And again, nobody will be stupid enough to pre-defeat themselves in the negotiation table. You are of course entitle to your opinion, but unless Ukraine is really stupid or unless Russia suddenly found the gear, there are nothing they could do.
$350 billion

that’s about the value of minerals in USD the russians control in the occupied territories of Ukraine.
per vice minister president Julia Swyrydenko

not trillions USD
 
Ukraine army establishing army corps
that will replace tactical groups.

respect
Ukraine shows the world how a country fights against an overwhelming aggressor.

General Syrskyi: Army Corps to Replace Tactical Groups at Front Line

23 February, 2025Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, General Oleksandr Syrskyi, during a visit to the Defense Forces headquarters in Donetsk Region. Photo from the official Facebook
 
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It's not false, it's just not NATO guarantee, but them this is not the cease fire deal, this is the mineral deal..

If you look at the deal, it requires the US to reinvest those funds to supply arms to Ukraine and then they aren't getting 66% of the resource until Ukraine roll back those territories.


So that's the security guarantee right there, or they are not getting 2/3 of anything

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The US is getting zero minerals out of Ukraine while the war rages on. Trumpy will need a security agreement from Putin for his minerals to come out safe. Putin isn't going to let any foreign power come in without his approval and his approval wont be letting Ukraine have any security from the US. Otherwise those mines or trucks will be blown to smithereens.

Trumpy knows this. He just wants to rob Zelenski right now. He will never give zelenski a security deal.
 
The US is getting zero minerals out of Ukraine while the war rages on. Trumpy will need a security agreement from Putin for his minerals to come out safe. Putin isn't going to let any foreign power come in without his approval and his approval wont be letting Ukraine have any security from the US. Otherwise those mines or trucks will be blown to smithereens.

Trumpy knows this. He just wants to rob Zelenski right now. He will never give zelenski a security deal.
The issue here is, you can try to rob Zelenskyy, but as you said, if the war don't stop he got nothing, unless US roll troop down and take those mineral by themselves. Even if they were in Russian controlled territories.

The only way he can force a peace deal is as if the US announce a Joint Russian-US operation in Ukraine. Again, Russian progress is slow, because if you link the mineral deal with the peace deal, and neither of those give them security guarantee, why would the Ukrainian sign either one as nothing is offered on the table, and the Russian won't be able to roll up to more than the 15% they had, so by stating 66% of those mineral is not going to be put in the fund means either you help me to clear out the Russian, or you are getting 1/3 of the deal. Just like the peace deal, Trump can hope the Russian to roll up the Ukrainian and take those Mineral from Putin (Which I doubt he would sell) but if this is the same deal over again, Ukraine don't really need to sign it.
 
$350 billion

that’s about the value of minerals in USD the russians control in the occupied territories of Ukraine.
per vice minister president Julia Swyrydenko

not trillions USD

Probably even less.......
 
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