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The U.S. Called It Putin’s ‘Slush Fund.’ Now Trump May Drop Sanctions on It.
The move would be the latest U.S. concession to Moscow as President Trump pursues economic incentives he hopes will secure an end to war in Ukraine.The Trump administration is exploring a new concession to Russia: lifting sanctions on the country’s flagship government investment fund, long viewed by U.S. officials as one of the Kremlin’s most powerful tools of international influence.
Russian officials have pushed for the move as part of broader talks about the fund’s involvement in shipping Russian diesel fuel to the United States, according to people familiar with the negotiations.
A U.S. official confirmed that the administration was assessing the fund’s application for sanctions to be removed through established procedures as part of an effort to “improve U.S.-Russia relations and help end the war.” The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks, praised the fund’s chief, Kirill Dmitriev, as “a helpful envoy” to U.S. negotiators in discussions to end the conflict.
The consideration of more sanctions relief for Russia, which has not been previously reported, shows how the Kremlin is using a recent flurry of diplomacy over the war in Ukraine to advance an agenda that appears to have little to do with securing peace.
In recent weeks, Mr. Trump’s envoys and Mr. Putin have discussed the sale of part of a Russian oil giant to a well-connected investor group; an effort to produce natural gas in Alaska, from which several executives resigned amid concerns about hidden Russian financing; and a proposal to increase Russian gas exports to Europe that has stunned European governments.
Removing sanctions on the multibillion-dollar fund, called the Russian Direct Investment Fund, would be a significant unwinding of the yearslong U.S. effort to use economic pressure to get Russia to change its behavior. The fund has invested billions of dollars in Russian companies, often alongside investors from the Middle East and elsewhere, pushing to expand Russia’s global influence.
The Biden administration imposed sanctions on the fund days after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022, calling it “a slush fund” for President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia that was “emblematic of Russia’s broader kleptocracy.”
Eric Green, who oversaw Russia policy as part of the White House’s National Security Council at the time, said targeting the fund was an early priority because its access to the Western financial system could help Russia finance the war and because of its “association with projects closely identified with Putin.”
Now the fund has taken a lead role in implementing Mr. Trump’s diesel deal, helping to arrange the first shipments of Russian diesel to the United States after Mr. Trump suspended sanctions on it on Oct. 9, a key Russian official has said. The fund’s head, Mr. Dmitriev, has acted as Mr. Putin’s economic envoy to the Trump administration, leading the Kremlin’s effort to convince U.S. officials of the great potential of business deals with Russia.
“It’s been really, really good dealing with Kirill,” Steve Witkoff, Mr. Trump’s special envoy for peace missions, told Mr. Putin at the negotiating table in St. Petersburg, Russia, last week.
In the Trump team’s view, negotiating business deals with Mr. Putin now can help end the war in Ukraine by showing the Russian president that the United States is serious about building a new and prosperous relationship with Moscow. To the many critics of that approach, including some Republican lawmakers, Mr. Trump is simply ceding economic benefits to Mr. Putin without pressuring him to end the war.
Mr. Green, the former Biden administration official, said lifting sanctions on the fund would be a “real strong message that we are relaxing the previous position that we weren’t going to relax the economic sanctions and other costs until there was a settlement in Ukraine.”
Speaking at a conference in Moscow on Oct. 16, Mr. Dmitriev boasted that the diesel deal was among the “concrete examples” starting to convince Americans that “sanctions are, in principle, philosophically wrong.” He said that his fund was prepared to handle U.S. payments for the Russian diesel, despite “a sea of sanctions restrictions.”
Mr. Dmitriev left unmentioned that he was trying to get sanctions removed on his own fund amid the talks over the diesel deal, according to the people familiar with the negotiations. Mr. Dmitriev’s fund offered to serve as the go-between for Russian diesel being sold to the United States, while also asking for American sanctions on the fund to be relaxed, the people said.
The talks played out as Mr. Dmitriev helped put in motion an effort to hand Mr. Trump a visible win at a time of record high diesel prices.
Three tankers carrying Russian diesel have set sail for the United States this month, according to Russian officials. The shipments were made “with the significant support” of Mr. Dmitriev’s fund, a Russian vice prime minister, Aleksandr Novak, said on Friday.
The diesel was shipped without any U.S. buyers having paid for it, according to some of the people familiar with the negotiations. One of the tankers, the Agioi Fanendes, was scheduled to arrive in the United States on Nov. 7, after leaving Primorsk, Russia, on Oct. 23, according to Kpler and TankerTrackers.com, two ship tracking firms. The ship recently changed its destination from New York to “for orders,” meaning it had not yet received instructions on where to discharge.
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The Agioi Fanendes, seen in 2024, is en route to the United States with a cargo of Russian diesel. Credit...Yoruk Isik/Reuters
As Mr. Dmitriev’s fund sought sanctions relief amid the diesel talks, the Treasury Department took the position that the fund already had all the permission it needed to handle diesel transactions thanks to the Treasury’s Oct. 9 announcement suspending sanctions on Russian diesel.
Instead, the Treasury is going through its normal process in assessing the fund’s applications for getting sanctions removed, meaning that it would need to prove that the reasons for which it was originally sanctioned are no longer in effect, people familiar with the process said.
Despite Mr. Trump’s friendly rhetoric toward Mr. Putin, he has until now left almost all of the Biden-era sanctions on Russia in place.
But Mr. Dmitriev, a financier fluent in English who studied at Harvard and Stanford, has shown significant clout with the Trump administration. He has spearheaded the Kremlin’s effort to float potential economic deals to Washington, a strategy apparently aimed at getting Mr. Trump to focus more on doing business with Russia and less on pressuring it to stop its invasion of Ukraine.
“The ice has finally broken,” Mr. Dmitriev said at the Oct. 16 conference, emphasizing that he was discussing deals to be done with the United States “right now” rather than only after the end of the war.
Mr. Dmitriev’s wife is close with a daughter of Mr. Putin, people who know them say, and
he has done business with Gulf leaders like Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, who also have the ear of Mr. Trump.
During the pandemic, Mr. Dmitriev and his fund financed the development of Russia’s Covid-19 vaccine, spearheaded its distribution around the world and often criticized Western vaccines. Since Mr. Trump’s re-election two years ago, Mr. Dmitriev has taken to X almost daily, in English, and echoed White House talking points.
“Ideological warmongering Biden-think is being rejected as destructive and inefficient,” he wrote about Mr. Trump’s diesel deal last week.
Mr. Dmitriev’s primary U.S. interlocutors have been Mr. Witkoff, who is also a real-estate developer and friend of Mr. Trump, and Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law. In St.
Petersburg last week, Mr. Witkoff approvingly told Mr. Dmitriev that “our Treasury Department is working with you now independently.”
“I think that’s leading to a sense of what the possibilities are between our two nations,” Mr. Witkoff went on. “We even talk about it now openly with the Ukrainians, to give them some sort of sense about what the possibilities will be when this whole conflict is ended.”
AZ_HighCountry
INT'L MOD
I normally don't back up Raptor because he clings to only one side of the equation. In this case, I'll make an exception.Economic fringe," my foot! It’s the world’s fourth-largest economy. On top of that, it’s technologically ahead of the U.S. in most weapons systems. And it’s managed all this despite having a smaller economy, all while recovering from the collapse that followed the breakup of the USSR. See what’s going on here, Big Gazza?
And, from another source:
GDP by Country (2026) - Worldometer
Countries in the world ranked by Gross Domestic Product (GDP). List and ranking of GDP growth, GDP per capita and country share of World's GDP
www.worldometers.info
Russia is listed as #7.
Russia has a long ways to go to reach the #4 spot.
F-22Raptor
Elite Member
The Russian economy is indeed a nobody. Zero Russian companies of note, little science and technological innovation, its space industry is dying with only a dozen or so launches this year. A completely stagnant economy in terms of growth. A half million Russian men dead, a million wounded, and hundreds of thousands you will have to reintegrate into a terrible economy. It’s easy to understand why the IMF projections for Russia are so grim.
F-22Raptor
Elite Member
We’re having quite a laugh here, Biggazza
In 6 months Russia will be approaching 2,000,000 dead and wounded. Russian progress on the front is minimal. The Russian homeland is getting smashed by Ukr drones and missiles almost daily. Don’t know what you’re laughing about because this is a disastrous war for Russia and strategic defeat that will reverberate for decades.
flyingorca
Trusted Member
Russia is dependent on European market to sell its natural resources. Thats what pretty much this war is about.
AZ_HighCountry
INT'L MOD
It might be of interest to you that I know some folks over there right now. Air raid warnings in Kiev are a real thing. Scrambling of GPS systems is a real thing. Taking shelter every time the warning sirens go off is a real thing.
The question is how much longer can Ukraine hold out without a return of US support.
Leclerc
Registered Member
Debating people who hold opposing views can be a form of entertainment in itself, if one approaches it with a correct mindset.
AZ_HighCountry
INT'L MOD
As long as you are able to do so with facts.
Raptor is not unique on this forum. There are others like him. Not hard to identify who they are.
AZ_HighCountry
INT'L MOD
Relations between Poland and Ukraine appear to be on the mend.
www.twz.com
Wondering now how much of the 20mm ammo is US-supplied and transfer approved by the US.
Polish MiG-29s, F-16 Cannon Ammo Reportedly Headed To Ukraine As Bitter Warsaw-Kyiv Rift Heals
Relations between Ukraine and Poland soured in the Spring, leading to Warsaw calling off the MiG-29 deal in June.
www.twz.com
Wondering now how much of the 20mm ammo is US-supplied and transfer approved by the US.
BigGazza
Registered Member
With all due respect, nominal GDP is poor tool that simply doesn't provide a reliable basis for comparison of national economic outputs. PPP is a far more reliable measure (but still far from perfect). National comparisons accouding to the World Bank as as follows (quick Google search):I normally don't back up Raptor because he clings to only one side of the equation. In this case, I'll make an exception.
BigGazza
Registered Member
Thats the conventional wisdom and the idea upon which the Western sanctions plot as based - boycott Russian energy and commodities and their economy will implode and the Ruble will collapse. It FAILED miserably, yet people still keep repeating the absurd shibboleth, as though somehow the rest of the planet of 7B+ people don't want to buy oil, gas, fertiliser, minerals, wheat, uranium, etc....
This war is about SECURITY concerns. The West broke its word about not expanding NATO to the East, enhancing its own security at the expense of Russia, and ignoring Russian protestations about the risks to themselves. In our arrogance we engineered a violent coup in Ukraine to install rabid anti-Russian bandera nationalists, encouraged them to launch a CIVIL WAR against those who rebelled against the putsch, then tried to regime-change Belarus as well (funny how NATO spruikers always want to ignore that part).
Russia will NOT accept NATO-controlled Ukraine, and will NOT accept Banderites being free to forcibly repress Russian-speakers in their efforts to engineer a mono-cultural, mono-linguistic anti-Russia Ukraine. They restrained themselves for 7+ years after 2014, trying to reach an accomodation with NATO/US, insisting that Minsk 2 be implemented (*), refusing to accept Donbass rebel demands to join Russia. 7+ years of constant provocations, AFU agressions, Western sanctions & malfeasense... finally it was too much and the AFU preparing for a final military strike against Donbass was the final straw.
(*) In Minsk 2, Donbass would have remained part of Ukraine but with a measure of autonomy. Ukraine would have federalised, and would have formally enshrined the rights of Russian speakers (and other minorities) to speak their own languages (dialects) and have their own cultural identity. The Kiev Regime refused to comply, West refused to insist on their compliance, even though such ideas are supposed to be core values of the "liberal democratic West". Go figure...
NATO clowns can posture all they like about how they are morally & ethically superior with their corrupt brand of liberal democracy, and how NATO is a "defensive alliance" of which Moscow has no justifiable fears and has no right to "interfere", but that just arrogant chest-beating. Relentless expansion of NATO is a real threat, and Russia has a long history of being attacked and invaded from the West. If one constantly provokes ones neighbour and works to deliberately undermine their security one should not be surprised when that neighbour punchs you in the mouth when you try to pull down his fence...
BigGazza
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Saying it does not make it so
2M dead and wounded? That pure projection and its Ukropistan that is being depopulated. Plenty of mass graves covered with flags in Ukropia, none in Russia.
Russia getting smashed by drones? Absurd... NATO fires hundreds of drone each day via their Ukropi proxies, but only a small handful ever get through and the damage done is minor, despite the crowing of our war-media and the pictures of fire & smoke.
By contrast, Ukrainian cities are being wrecked, their infrastructure taken down, bridges out of service, power stations offline, steel factories reduced to ruins, refineries offline, cities blacked out with power, water or sewerage, shops closed and shelves empty. None of that is happening in Russia, though there are some temporary disruptions following the oddfew drones that get through.
The "drone war" is like a boxing match where the Wests favorite is throwing a flurry of weak punches that the other guy takes on his gloves, and who then responds with hay-makers that knock his opponent to the canvas. The Wests favourite is looking like a side of beef. while his opponent is only breaking a light sweat.
What i'm "laughing about" is that Russophobe dumbos are making the same set of mistakes that Charles XII, Napolean and Hitler all made but they are too busy deeply inhaling their own propaganda farts to take notice of what is really going down. They hoot with glee when a Russian refinery gets some pipes ruptured and a short-term pool-fire erupts, but refuse to admit that Ukraine is being steadily dismantled as a functioning state and that their plot to break Russia has not only failed, but is now breaking their own societies.
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