Saudis must recognise Israel for nuclear deal, says Trump

[_Arabia_]

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It’s becoming a standard feature of Donald Trump’s second presidency: He makes an announcement or sets in motion a new, significant policy—then he utters a remark or posts a caveat on social media, and the ship of state is cast into chaos, national policy rendered uncertain, the words and deeds of the world’s most powerful leader reduced to unreliable gibberish.

On Wednesday, the secretary of energy signed an agreement by which the United States would supply Saudi Arabia with nuclear energy technology. This was a very big deal. The Saudis have been seeking such a deal for many years. It could wean the kingdom away from its reliance on oil—but it could also lay the foundations for a Saudi nuclear weapon, which in turn could spur others in the region to build nuclear arsenals as well. And unlike similar agreements that the U.S. had struck with dozens of other countries, this one seemed unconditional. Saudi Arabia long ago signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, but it did not sign the NPT’s Additional Protocol, which allows international agents to conduct on-site inspections of reactors to verify that its operators aren’t converting the fuel for military purposes.


Israelis of all political stripes, taken by surprise by the deal, voiced alarm, fearing that this would inevitably lead to a Saudi nuclear weapon. Previous talks over a nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia hinged on normalization with Israel and there appeared to be no such condition for this deal. As I wrote on Wednesday, the concern in Israel over the Saudi deal seemed to indicate just how much favor Israel has lost in the United States in recent years.

Then, on Thursday, at 7:52 a.m., Trump posted on social media that the deal “is totally subject to Saudi Arabia joining the very respected and successful Abraham Accords.” These accords involve Arab or Muslim countries normalizing relations with Israel. (Negotiated in the final months of Trump’s first term, the initial signatories were Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates, followed by Morocco, Sudan, and Kazakhstan.) Trump’s post immediately threw a huge wrench into the deal. The Saudis have repeatedly said that they will not normalize relations with Israel unless Israel resumes talks toward creating a Palestinian state. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly said he opposes such a state and has rejected even holding talks on the subject. (Since Hamas’ attack on Oct. 7, 2023, a strong majority of the Israeli population is skeptical of any peace deal with Palestinians.)

In other words, Trump’s new condition—which was not included in the deal negotiated earlier this week by Secretary of Energy Chris Wright and his Saudi counterpart—pretty much scuttles the deal. As one indicator of this, on Thursday, Netanyahu praised Trump’s social media post.

This may not be the end of the story. It is worth noting that President Joe Biden tried to negotiate a nuclear deal with the Saudis but made the deal dependent on the Saudis’ normalizing relations with Israel—which the Saudis rejected. Will Trump change his mind and once again loosen the deal’s terms once he realizes that he is now taking the same position as Biden, whom he incessantly lampoons as “sleepy Joe” and “the worst president” in American history?



It is also unclear where Trump’s equivocation leaves U.S.–Israel relations. The alliance has genuinely soured in recent months. Trump has steadily lost trust in Netanyahu, once shouting obscenities at him for restarting the war on Hezbollah in Lebanon just as Trump was seeking a ceasefire in Iran. At the same time, American public opinion has turned against Israel for its deadly attacks against Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank; this has led to growing numbers in Congress voting to cut off all military aid to Israel—a proposition that would have been unimaginable even a year ago.

Trump’s social media post suggests the alliance isn’t finished. But it leaves open many questions about Trump’s relationship with the Saudis, with Israel, and with the nuclear power industry, whose ailing fortunes the deal would have greatly boosted.

You mean the same Trump that claimed 100 of times before, 10 years ago evne, that KSA would sign the Ibrahim (AS) Accords, recognize Israel, not get the F-35, advanced microchips, most advanced military tech, record number of US direct investment inside KSA and main US firms establishing their headquarters in KSA? The same Trump that made his first presidential official visit to KSA of all countries? The same Trump and his family that has deed economic ties with KSA?

The same deal that has already been signed and which does not mention Israel or the Ibrahim (AS) accords by one word?

He is a former reformist politician not an IRGC member.


Yemen will destroy them all for good. Mark my words

Ok, I will be waiting for that.

I guess every intelligence service out there who repeat the same thing (for many decades by now) is also in the wrong. From CIA, Mi6 etc. But what do I know, KSA just founded the entire Pakistani nuclear program without getting anything in return and stand with Pakistan 24/7 despite India being the most larger economy and military power. Guess our leadership is completely clueless. 300 + years of rule must be doing that. Zero experience in the region after all. Need another 300 years.

 

[_Arabia_]

They can recognise. It should be fine. Their population will not rise up, and even if it did the Saudi authorities can easily beat them down.

Why should the population rise up? KSA is not some banana republic but one of the world's wealthiest and most stable countries with one of the most educated, content etc. populations.

Also what would protests do if not create fitnah and other harm? If such a thing would even occur, it would not be changed due to protests. Countries don't operate based on the whims of ordinary people anywhere.

Also did you see any mass-scale protest across the Muslim world when their governments and regimes recognized Israel?



Out of the countries (relevant ones) that have never recognized Israel in their history, since 1948, only KSA, Pakistan, Algeria and Indonesia remain.

One could argue Iraq and Malaysia as well.

In fact outside of Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia and Afghanistan all the rest (that have never recognized Israel) are Arab states.

Wait the end of MBS, when crown prince take over that policy will change and Saudi will recognize Israel. Few old school Saudi Royals causing hurdle ...MBS is the last one.

You do realize that MbS has effectively been running KSA for 10 years now with no recognizing in sight even though KSA would benefit from a Israeli recognition more than anyone else?

It is a question of long-held principle and a position that is also supported by 90-95% of the people by every opinion poll made and general sentiments.

It is the Israelis that are obsessed about being recognized by KSA.

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You don't see MbS and other Saudi Arabian leaders constantly talk about Israel 24/7 and say they want to recognize Israel like the Israeli leadership is doing across the entire board. Whether it is Netanyahu or the Israeli opposition.

 

[Cipher212]

Why should the population rise up? KSA is not some banana republic but one of the world's wealthiest and most stable countries with one of the most educated, content etc. populations.

Also what would protests do if not create fitnah and other harm? If such a thing would even occur, it would not be changed due to protests. Countries don't operate based on the whims of ordinary people anywhere.

Also did you see any mass-scale protest across the Muslim world when their governments and regimes recognized Israel?

That is what I said. Even if all of Saudi Arabia's population was not in favour of recognizing. MBS could still do it and not face any opposition.

To protest in Saudi Arabia is like cutting off your own hand.

Also no idea how you equated protests to Fitnah and Banana Republics.

 

[K2RULEZ]

KSA has no access to it

The moderator deleted my post in another thread [without any damn reasonable reason !]

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Worthless deal if the Saudis don't have the freedom to operate their own nuclear plants.

 

[PK781]

Trump is just bullshitting to rile people up and stir controversy. Typical psyops.

Basics is very clear. For any of these countries to "recognize" israel, first the Palestinian state needs to be formed and be independent.....we all know the zions will NEVER ALLOW THAT. Because Palestine is what that land all of it, actually is. If Palestine exists, it makes israel non-existent and thus the zionists jews,christians will never allow or go for it.

Pakistan founder the Quaid-e-Azam rightly had said "israel is a bastard child of the west". Pakistan will NOT recognize israel and neither will Saudi Arabia. People don't realize that geopolitics is moving extremely fast and these things are easier said than done. Even if the leadership goes and agrees in something, it does not mean the people will accept it.
We must understand that the entire western economy is in shit and in the gutters, we live here and can see it. Europe, UK, Canada, America, all shit economy now. Stagnation and nothing new. Hence now they're targetting the Arab countries for their mineral and oil wealth. Saudi Aramco is THEIR TARGET, they want their hands on it.
I'm 500% sure the Saudis and the Pakistanis and others concerned know this and efforts are underway to prevent the zions from getting their hands on it.
And do we really think ANYONE in this entire universe can even think of doing harm or having ill intentions for the 2 Holy Mosques and cities?

Trust me, if we as humans/muslims fail, Allah SWT the Almighty will take and order what HE WANTS. When humans get out of line and cross HIS RED LINES, expect the earth to flip on them like what happened in the past.

As for nuclear power plants(for energy), i feel its best for KSA to align with China/Russia rather than the west because of their nefarious designs and intentions. I am 100% sure the Saudis will trust and consult with the concerned stakeholders and security establishment before all these strategic decisions are taken, and Pakistan will definitely be there in the process. Having a strong and prosperous Saudi Arabia is important for all of us, because of the significance of Makkah, Madinah and the land of the Holy Prophet (PBUH).

As for the strategic weapons, Saudis will need to lean on the Pakistanis for that. Why? Because the NSG and the West/zions will NEVER want a nuclear KSA. Its against their plans for the region so they will NEVER allow it.

I really feel we muslims must remain and stay together and not be divided over small petty issues and look at the bigger picture. We;re all sensitive and emotional many times because of our love for Makkah.Madinah and by extension the entire land of Saudi Arabia and also the other Arab countries.

 

[_Arabia_]

That is what I said. Even if all of Saudi Arabia's population was not in favour of recognizing. MBS could still do it and not face any opposition.

To protest in Saudi Arabia is like cutting off your own hand.

Also no idea how you equated protests to Fitnah and Banana Republics.

Because most sane people do not protest in the streets. Most people doing that have no good ill. Changes in KSA occur with direct consultations with leadership, (Majlis which occurs on a daily basis with government representatives and each week MbS and leadership is meeting 100's of (if not 1000's) of local Saudi Arabians with petitions from everything from high dowry that people cannot afford to pay to land disputes to everything else. That alongside elders, Sheikhs (tribal and clan leaders), nobility, business class, religious class, leadership etc. is discussed jointly. MbS cannot act on his own either. There is an Allegiance Council that he needs to have the backing of before every major decision. There are numerous House of Saud factions that at times are at odds. Liberal, conservative, nationalist, pan-Islamist etc. factions. Emirs (governors) competing for government founding for their provinces and cities.

It's a whole complex ecosystem that has been running for 100 + (some areas 300 + years) and many of its components are traced back to ancient Islamic and Arab customs and practices that are millennia old. Of course adjusted to a modern reality.

KSA/most Arab countries are community societies rather than individualistic ones like in the West. Hierarchies, elders are still very important and people hold closely to their traditions.

Many of the changes that MbS and Saudi Vision 2030 had to do were first met with resistance from the people but afterwards they could realize the benefits of what was being done largely.

Protests only work if they are peaceful and coordinated but that is rarely the case in our region (go look at the history) and in KSA there is no tradition of any large scale protests. At least they are quite rare.

Last time I remember large gatherings/protests were during the few suicide attacks by ISIS in KSA which targeted 1-2 Shia gatherings. That was mostly protests against terrorism and protests of national unity and they were tolerate and not cracked down.

But if you want us to tolerate mostly stupid teenagers (mostly the ones willing to go out and protest and riot) with no clues about geopolitics, risk of creating fitnah, deaths and unrest, rather than use the traditional Arab and Islamic ways of consultations and guidance of your leadership, you are in the wrong. That is what I mean with banana republics.

 

[peagle]

More incoherent ramblings. What are you actually trying to say and why are you unable to counter even a single of my factual statements?

The only one crying is you with your long rant and personal attacks. I never attacked you nor do I care about your "support" or lack of it.

Go counter any of my factual statements or leave the crying for another thread.

This discussion is just beyond ridiculous, stop your constant lying, it's not just dishonest but rude.

I pointed to your lies about Pakistanis claiming to be Arabs, and your false claims regarding Pakistan's nuclear program.
You have not presented a single fact, just your repeated fantasies.

You're not worth the effort.
But, i'll say one thing for sure, it's people like you who weaken the bonds between people and nations.
Beware.

 

[_Arabia_]

This discussion is just beyond ridiculous, stop your constant lying, it's not just dishonest but rude.

I pointed to your lies about Pakistanis claiming to be Arabs, and your false claims regarding Pakistan's nuclear program.
You have not presented a single fact, just your repeated fantasies.

You're not worth the effort.
But, i'll say one thing for sure, it's people like you who weaken the bonds between people and nations.
Beware.

Are you trolling or do you have trouble with understanding simple English? I have never claimed anywhere in this thread or elsewhere that any Pakistanis are claiming to be Arabs. You clearly do not understand what has been written by me in this thread. I suggest you read my initial reply to your post again. That should help you out a bit.

If me writing historical facts (none of which is anti-Pakistan in any remove way) weakens the bond of people, you are either 15 years old or not very smart. Try to calm down a bit, quit the unmotivated personal, attacks (you started it and I have not insulted you to date despite this) and read what I have actually been writing.

 

[peagle]

Are you trolling or do you have trouble with understanding simple English? I have never claimed anywhere in this thread or elsewhere that any Pakistanis are claiming to be Arabs. You clearly do not understand what has been written by me in this thread. I suggest you read my initial reply to your post again. That should help you out a bit.

If me writing historical facts (none of which is anti-Pakistan in any remove way) weakens the bond of people, you are either 15 years old or not very smart. Try to calm down a bit, quit the unmotivated personal, attacks (you started it and I have not insulted you to date despite this) and read what I have actually been writing.

When someone gets touchy and sensitive, it's time to move on. If you're repenting, that's a good sign. Well done.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Saudis are just learning what it is like to deal with Trump, and what his approach to 'signed' agreements is, lol.

Israeli lobby are putting a lot of pressure on Trump about this nuclear deal with Saudi. So Trump probably panicked and tweeted some random shit not in the agreement to save face. But well, that's Trump.

 

[Cipher212]

Because most sane people do not protest in the streets. Most people doing that have no good ill. Changes in KSA occur with direct consultations with leadership, (Majlis which occurs on a daily basis with government representatives and each week MbS and leadership is meeting 100's of (if not 1000's) of local Saudi Arabians with petitions from everything from high dowry that people cannot afford to pay to land disputes to everything else. That alongside elders, Sheikhs (tribal and clan leaders), nobility, business class, religious class, leadership etc. is discussed jointly. MbS cannot act on his own either. There is an Allegiance Council that he needs to have the backing of before every major decision. There are numerous House of Saud factions that at times are at odds. Liberal, conservative, nationalist, pan-Islamist etc. factions. Emirs (governors) competing for government founding for their provinces and cities.

It's a whole complex ecosystem that has been running for 100 + (some areas 300 + years) and many of its components are traced back to ancient Islamic and Arab customs and practices that are millennia old. Of course adjusted to a modern reality.

KSA/most Arab countries are community societies rather than individualistic ones like in the West. Hierarchies, elders are still very important and people hold closely to their traditions.

Many of the changes that MbS and Saudi Vision 2030 had to do were first met with resistance from the people but afterwards they could realize the benefits of what was being done largely.

Protests only work if they are peaceful and coordinated but that is rarely the case in our region (go look at the history) and in KSA there is no tradition of any large scale protests. At least they are quite rare.

Last time I remember large gatherings/protests were during the few suicide attacks by ISIS in KSA which targeted 1-2 Shia gatherings. That was mostly protests against terrorism and protests of national unity and they were tolerate and not cracked down.

But if you want us to tolerate mostly stupid teenagers (mostly the ones willing to go out and protest and riot) with no clues about geopolitics, risk of creating fitnah, deaths and unrest, rather than use the traditional Arab and Islamic ways of consultations and guidance of your leadership, you are in the wrong. That is what I mean with banana republics.

I ain't reading all that ain't nobody interested in how bedouins run their tribes. The only reason anybody gives you time is the Holy Sites and oil.

Having the country that holds Mecca and Medinah recognise Israel would be a big win for the Jews.

 

[mythbuster]

Another clueless Arab/KSA-obsessed troll.

KSA (House of Saud) was around as a ruling dynasty 200 + years prior to the existence of Israel. Where most of Israel's current day citizens (Palestinian Arabs and Israeli Jews), in the case of the Arab Jews (2/3 of all Israeli Jews today) were still living under Arab rule in Arab lands.

KSA is the sole country of any sort of influence that has NEVER recognized Israel since 1948.

KSA was behind the biggest economic blow to the US and Western world during the KSA-initiated oil embargo.

KSA is the author and brain behind the Arab Peace Proposal - the most realistic and comprehensive two-state solution and deal that is supported by Hamas, Fatah, (official Palestinian government), every single Arab state and Muslim (OIC) state.

KSA fought 2 wars with Israel (1948, 1973), actively was the main supporter of Egypt during the Suez war and King Salman was on the frontline against the Israelis as the only Muslim ruler (past and present in the modern era).

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On the frontline during the Suez war in 1956 along with numerous other House of Saud members (see the photo above - mostly all deceased today):

More nonsense. Protests main nothing and there has been 100's of protests across the Arab world against Israeli actions.

Saudi Arabians since 2024, have donated more money towards Gaza than any other Muslim people. Saudi Arabian charities have continuously send aid and people to Gaza.

Iran is completely irrelevant within KSA and cannot do anything and has never done anything in their entire recorded history. Yet to win a single war against Arabs, whether modern era or any era.

Tell us what your beloved Iranian regime has done to Israel - the same Israel that has been carpet bombing Iran since June 2025. How many Israelis have Iran killed? Is it 5 or 10? And when is Iran going to liberate Gaza and Palestine? We have been waiting since 1979.

Oh, they are only able to send useless drones and missiles at tiny Kuwait and Bahrain to save face from their daily humiliation.

From claiming to "controlling the entire region" to 300 + billion in damages, 10.000 casualties, entire leadership annihilated, worthless currency, economy in free fall, 1000's of their own murdered by their regime in January alone etc.

I wonder, your beloved holy cows (self-proclaimed Arabs) are in great turmoil and you are sitting behind your keyboard? I am sure that will stop the current mess. More worried/obsessed about 550 + million Arabs and KSA in particular. Usual modus operandi by the Arabized cultists.

Your likes (cultist) would take an Israeli Zionist and American over that of any Muslim Arab 24/7. We know your likes obsession and hatred towards Arabs very well. Two sides of the same coin. Both Arabized (Israeli Zionists), both obsessed and both eager to meddle/harm Arabs, Arab lands etc. Both destructive influences.

Was king salaman governor of Riyadh in early 80s ?

 

[mythbuster]

Selling what? KSA has 5-10% of the world's uranium reserves. KSA has already been excavating uranium within KSA for many years. There are dozens of smaller research nuclear power reactors within KSA. As well as 100's (if not 1000's nowadays) Saudi Arabian nuclear engineers and scientists.

Only stumble block is the establishment of nuclear power plants and a nuclear energy infrastructure within KSA (whether with the US or another country - it will occur - just a question of time).

The missiles and missile bases are already there as well.

KSA likely already has several nuclear warheads courtesy of Pakistan.

So it is a question of time before KSA will be able to master the full nuclear cycle and enrich uranium within KSA.

Similar to what Japan and many other countries could do relatively quickly. In fact most developed countries with access to uranium, could do with a bit of work and time.

How did Pakistan, North Korea (lol) and India acquire nuclear weapons? Did they wait for some permission?

India, Pakistan and Israel are not signatories of NPT whereas Saudi Arabia and Iran are.

 

[030292]

Trump’s Saudi Nuclear Deal Reversal Is Right in Line With the Rest of His Foreign Policy​

The one constant is chaos, uncertainty, and unreliability.​

By Fred Kaplan

July 23, 20262:02 PM

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It’s becoming a standard feature of Donald Trump’s second presidency: He makes an announcement or sets in motion a new, significant policy—then he utters a remark or posts a caveat on social media, and the ship of state is cast into chaos, national policy rendered uncertain, the words and deeds of the world’s most powerful leader reduced to unreliable gibberish.

On Wednesday, the secretary of energy signed an agreement by which the United States would supply Saudi Arabia with nuclear energy technology. This was a very big deal. The Saudis have been seeking such a deal for many years. It could wean the kingdom away from its reliance on oil—but it could also lay the foundations for a Saudi nuclear weapon, which in turn could spur others in the region to build nuclear arsenals as well. And unlike similar agreements that the U.S. had struck with dozens of other countries, this one seemed unconditional. Saudi Arabia long ago signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, but it did not sign the NPT’s Additional Protocol, which allows international agents to conduct on-site inspections of reactors to verify that its operators aren’t converting the fuel for military purposes.


Israelis of all political stripes, taken by surprise by the deal, voiced alarm, fearing that this would inevitably lead to a Saudi nuclear weapon. Previous talks over a nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia hinged on normalization with Israel and there appeared to be no such condition for this deal. As I wrote on Wednesday, the concern in Israel over the Saudi deal seemed to indicate just how much favor Israel has lost in the United States in recent years.

Then, on Thursday, at 7:52 a.m., Trump posted on social media that the deal “is totally subject to Saudi Arabia joining the very respected and successful Abraham Accords.” These accords involve Arab or Muslim countries normalizing relations with Israel. (Negotiated in the final months of Trump’s first term, the initial signatories were Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates, followed by Morocco, Sudan, and Kazakhstan.) Trump’s post immediately threw a huge wrench into the deal. The Saudis have repeatedly said that they will not normalize relations with Israel unless Israel resumes talks toward creating a Palestinian state. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly said he opposes such a state and has rejected even holding talks on the subject. (Since Hamas’ attack on Oct. 7, 2023, a strong majority of the Israeli population is skeptical of any peace deal with Palestinians.)

In other words, Trump’s new condition—which was not included in the deal negotiated earlier this week by Secretary of Energy Chris Wright and his Saudi counterpart—pretty much scuttles the deal. As one indicator of this, on Thursday, Netanyahu praised Trump’s social media post.

This may not be the end of the story. It is worth noting that President Joe Biden tried to negotiate a nuclear deal with the Saudis but made the deal dependent on the Saudis’ normalizing relations with Israel—which the Saudis rejected. Will Trump change his mind and once again loosen the deal’s terms once he realizes that he is now taking the same position as Biden, whom he incessantly lampoons as “sleepy Joe” and “the worst president” in American history?



It is also unclear where Trump’s equivocation leaves U.S.–Israel relations. The alliance has genuinely soured in recent months. Trump has steadily lost trust in Netanyahu, once shouting obscenities at him for restarting the war on Hezbollah in Lebanon just as Trump was seeking a ceasefire in Iran. At the same time, American public opinion has turned against Israel for its deadly attacks against Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank; this has led to growing numbers in Congress voting to cut off all military aid to Israel—a proposition that would have been unimaginable even a year ago.

Trump’s social media post suggests the alliance isn’t finished. But it leaves open many questions about Trump’s relationship with the Saudis, with Israel, and with the nuclear power industry, whose ailing fortunes the deal would have greatly boosted.

They really thought they were gonna get uranium enrichment handed to them just for s*kcing jew c*ck and bribing trump's family lol.

 

[_Arabia_]

I ain't reading all that ain't nobody interested in how bedouins run their tribes. The only reason anybody gives you time is the Holy Sites and oil.

Having the country that holds Mecca and Medinah recognise Israel would be a big win for the Jews.

Are you trolling? Bedouins compose a tiny percentage of the Saudi Arabian population and the same Saudi Arabia is home to some of the world's oldest continuously inhabited cities and civilizations and cultures on the planet.

Also what is wrong with one of the oldest peoples on the planet (Bedouins) who have a rich and ancient culture of their own? You think this is some kind of insult? I am not even from Najd to begin with but the ignorance is staggering. Bedouins were master breeders of the world's most famous and influential horse (Arabian Horse) and many other animals, expert farmers,, founded some of the world's oldest towns and agricultural settlements, have one of the world's oldest poetic traditions, musical traditions, famed for their falconry, bravery, Bedouins were a key component of the largest and greatest Islamic conquests etc. Famed for being free spirits and never bowing down to non-Bedouins and for being rather democratic for their era. Bedouin women also had surprising many rights that were unheard of in many other places. They also had their negatives like any people out there such as deep tribalism, a rigid honor code etc..

Should I call you an Gypsy?

How it is run is how it was run during the Islamic Golden Age, Rashidun era and later Caliphates as well as according to the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (saws). All practices are according to Islamic beliefs and they remain central. You not knowing or caring about the concept of Majlis and the other topics I discussed, is not my problem.