Sea Sultan Long-Range MPA | Updates & Discussion

[White Privilege]

Yeah the karsaz bridge had no view blocker back then you could see aircrafts parked and even could jump the walls , security was poor in those times. Now its somewhat better . Btw didnt we get new 2 p3cs after?

I hope they have blocked the view from Awami markaz mens' room as well....

 

[Bratva]

AEW&Cs are no threat to TTPs. The Ts specifically targeted those only. They didn't bothered to hit fighter jets which actually bomb the shit out of them but went against the target which they were paid for. That whole event was a classic sabotage op using a proxy. India hurt us a lot in that attack and It was the sole beneficiary of that "terrorist" attack. Same with PC3s in Mehran base attack.

My only concern is that we never avenged it. We should have paid in kind. I still hope we will do full payment at the time of our choosing. We can't just let that happen without payback. India was able to neutralize our most important assets without waging a fullscale war but using a proxy is a wound that will remain fresh until avenged.

September 2012 raid on Camp Bastion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rafale]

Yeah the karsaz bridge had no view blocker back then you could see aircrafts parked and even could jump the walls , security was poor in those times. Now its somewhat better . Btw didnt we get new 2 p3cs after?

You still have a clean line of sight from the newly built shahrae bhutto, it passes very close to the PAF Faisal/PNS Mehran base boundary wall, and since it is elevated expressway, you can see far and wide across the air base.

 

[Yasser76]

You still have a clean line of sight from the newly built shahrae bhutto, it passes very close to the PAF Faisal/PNS Mehran base boundary wall, and since it is elevated expressway, you can see far and wide across the air base.

Yeah, I think Faisal/Mehran should be closed down at some point.

 

[Salza]

Faisal base is just used for logistics now. It doesn't have any war time flying asset other then C130s and few transport helis.

 

[Yasser76]

Faisal base is just used for logistics now. It doesn't have any war time flying asset other then C130s and few transport helis.

Yes, Google maps only ever seems to show the occasional P-3C parked there these days

 

[Ali_Baba]

AEW&Cs are no threat to TTPs. The Ts specifically targeted those only. They didn't bothered to hit fighter jets which actually bomb the shit out of them but went against the target which they were paid for. That whole event was a classic sabotage op using a proxy. India hurt us a lot in that attack and It was the sole beneficiary of that "terrorist" attack. Same with PC3s in Mehran base attack.

My only concern is that we never avenged it. We should have paid in kind. I still hope we will do full payment at the time of our choosing. We can't just let that happen without payback. India was able to neutralize our most important assets without waging a fullscale war but using a proxy is a wound that will remain fresh until avenged.

They were going for the maximum military and economic damage, and in that regard, they succeeded very well.

 

[Pakistan First]

September 2012 raid on Camp Bastion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Yep, but that's totally separate event. Unrelated with Mehran and Kamra bases attacks.

US/NATO felt no threat whatsoever from Pakistan AWACS or anti-sub capabilities, especially at the time. Direct beneficiary and planner of Kamra and Mehran bases attacks are the indians.

As far as US in afg is concerned, their most devastating attack on Pak was a direct assault at Salala.

2011 NATO attack in Pakistan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rafale]

Faisal base is just used for logistics now. It doesn't have any war time flying asset other then C130s and few transport helis.

There is still significant manpower and infrastructure present there. But as others have said, that land is prime now. Like Navy/Government should auction it for dense commercial/industrial development as shahrae bhutto is right next to it. They can make some serious money.

PAF museum can remain and they can use the money to build a completely new air base at Hub, Balochistan.

 

[Yasser76]

There is still significant manpower and infrastructure present there. But as others have said, that land is prime now. Like Navy/Government should auction it for dense commercial/industrial development as shahrae bhutto is right next to it. They can make some serious money.

PAF museum can remain and they can use the money to build a completely new air base at Hub, Balochistan.

100%, also Karachi Airport is just down the road, if you needed to station a temporary attachment in the area you could easily just take the Western part of Jinnah Airport (near where PIA engineering is based) plenty of ramp space and also surrounded by flat empty land so security can be less of an issue

Added benefit of being located by PIA ATR engineering facilities

 

[Bratva]

?
Yep, but that's totally separate event. Unrelated with Mehran and Kamra bases attacks.

US/NATO felt no threat whatsoever from Pakistan AWACS or anti-sub capabilities, especially at the time. Direct beneficiary and planner of Kamra and Mehran bases attacks are the indians.

As far as US in afg is concerned, their most devastating attack on Pak was a direct assault at Salala.

2011 NATO attack in Pakistan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

USA was literally accusing Pakistan for supporting Haqqani's in late 2011. One way to hit and hurt Pakistan was by imposing economic costs on them. India had same ambitions.

Camp bastion attack happened exactly after 1 month of Kamra base attack. Haqqani's went after planes in this attack and destroyed 7 or so. The cost of those destroyed planes were similar to destroyed SAAB Aewc in Kamra. Is it a coincidence?

 

[Gripen9]

USA was literally accusing Pakistan for supporting Haqqani's in late 2011. One way to hit and hurt Pakistan was by imposing economic costs on them. India had same ambitions.

Camp bastion attack happened exactly after 1 month of Kamra base attack. Haqqani's went after planes in this attack and destroyed 7 or so. The cost of those destroyed planes were similar to destroyed SAAB Aewc in Kamra. Is it a coincidence?

But then US provided PN with replacement P3s for the ones lost in the attack?

 

[Yasser76]

But then US provided PN with replacement P3s for the ones lost in the attack?

Nope, they did not, despite having quite a few surplus ones due to P-8 inductions

 

[Pakistan First]

USA was literally accusing Pakistan for supporting Haqqani's in late 2011. One way to hit and hurt Pakistan was by imposing economic costs on them. India had same ambitions.

Camp bastion attack happened exactly after 1 month of Kamra base attack. Haqqani's went after planes in this attack and destroyed 7 or so. The cost of those destroyed planes were similar to destroyed SAAB Aewc in Kamra. Is it a coincidence?

Bro, if we had that enormous relationship with Haqqanis that they were so obedient and did even a military base attack on our behalf against super power then why we are even worried about afghanistan today at all? Today same Haqqanis are in strong positions within afghan regime yet the regime is so destructive for Pakistan.

Whatever actions Taliban did against US forces was their own fight. We'd not dare to plan such a thing from get go.

Taliban as a whole used to see us as partners of United States. That's the reason terrorism started in the country. They want us to bleed. They used to think Pakistan and United States/NATO as same. We were infact non-nato major ally. We might have some relationship with some ranks within Haqqanis but nothing like that we could control them to that extent.

Lastly, its clear as a day who those AEW&Cs were to be used against. Who was direct beneficiary of that attack on Kamra and also on Mehran. We'd never imagine to use those assets against US/NATO especially in those times. Those assets were force multipliers / one of most important key assets ONLY to be used against indian military. Later in both conflicts 2019, 2025 we saw these assets were critical in whole plan & execution. So it makes all the sense to target those.

 

[Gripen9]

Nope, they did not, despite having quite a few surplus ones due to P-8 inductions

https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/News-Article-View/Article/884054/pakistan-navy-accepts-two-p-3c-orion-aircraft/

Were these part of the original order or replacements?