Setting Sail in the Eastern Mediterranean: A Comparative Analysis of Egyptian MEKO-200EN and Turkish İstif Class Frigates

[Foinikas]

Nothing can protect Greece except rational policy

Rational policy meaning "surrender and give us what we want"?

Turkiye doesnt spend huge money on defense
The volume of Turkish military projects is $75 billion while Turkish Airlines buys 350 new Planes for $70 billion

Keep spending billions like that and you'll see the economy collapse. You're not USA,you're not Russia,you're not China. Guys,this is ridiculous. Erdogan thinks Turkey is some superpower and builds aircraft carriers for power projection.

Because a Country such as TURKIYE has military bases in many countries and carries out military operations on 3 continents against multinational alliance

What do you even need the bases? What are you gonna do in Somalia? Close the Gulf of Aden? What are you doing in Qatar? Protecting the oil from Iran or Saudi Arabia? It's silly. These are neo-Ottoman dreams.

 

[MMM-E]

Right now we do have air superiority.

We have:

• 24 Rafale F3R
• 17 F-16V
• 24 Mirage 2000-5 Mk II
• The rest of the F-16 Block 30/50/52+/52+ Advanced

You have no air superiority

17 F-16V can not change anything while 192 Turkish F-16s have network centric warfare capability via link-16 data-link to use 600 km AESA Radar on Boeing E-7 AEWCs for BVR combat

Hellenic Air Force only 29 F-16 Block52 ad and 17 F-16V have network centric warfare capability


Turkiye spent $3,9 billion for CCIP modernization of 163 F-16s block52 standard
also there are 29 F-16 Block50+

lack only AESA Radar but 192 F-16 can use Boeing E-7T AEWCs AESA Radar via link-16 datalink


and 24 RAFALE can not change balance of power ...but just giving tactical advantage to the Hellenic Air Force

 

[MMM-E]

Keep spending billions like that and you'll see the economy collapse. You're not USA,you're not Russia,you're not China. Guys,this is ridiculous. Erdogan thinks Turkey is some superpower and builds aircraft carriers for power projection.

I as said
Turkiye doesnt speed huge money on defense like USA and China

just 1.31% of GDP .... so small
Turkiye should increase defense budget to NATO standard ( 2% of GDP )

Italy , South Korea also are not super power but they build Aircraft Carriers even they dont have influence and overseas military bases

 

[Foinikas]

You have no air superiority

17 F-16V can not change anything while 192 Turkish F-16s have network centric warfare capability via link-16 data-link to use 600 km AESA Radar on Boeing E-7 AEWCs for BVR combat

Ok listen,listen. You're going nuts again about Turkish superiority. You're not accepting some things. Calm down and open your mind.

Hellenic Air Force only 29 F-16 Block52 ad and 17 F-16V have network centric warfare capability


Turkiye spent $3,9 billion for CCIP modernization of 163 F-16s block50+ standard
also there are 29 F-16 Block50+

lack only AESA Radar but 192 F-16 can use Boeing E-7T AEWCs AESA Radar via link-16 datalink


and 24 RAFALE can not change balance of power ...but just giving tactical advantage to the Hellenic Air Force

You refuse to understand some things and you keep pushing your argument in order to make it look like Turkey has superiority everywhere.

Remember: Greece already has F-16 Block 50/52+/52+ Advanced. We also have 17 F-16V and 24 Rafale F3R.

Let's skip the Mirage 2000-5 Mk II and the F-16 Block 30.

What does that mean? That Greece,right now has air superiority against Turkey.

Can you accept that? You can just say "oh ok,but when we get the F-16Vs and Ozgur,we will change the balance again". But for now,Greece has better quality aircraft than you do.

 

[Foinikas]

Italy , South Korea

Italy goes here and there on missions and South Korea could fight China as well,so they could use the aircraft carriers to send them south if they have to.

 

[MMM-E]

What do you even need the bases? What are you gonna do in Somalia? Close the Gulf of Aden? What are you doing in Qatar? Protecting the oil from Iran or Saudi Arabia? It's silly. These are neo-Ottoman dreams.

This policy has increased Turkiye's economy 4 times in the last 20 years

We will become a global power again by protecting our national interests outside the border and taking this even further with our friendly and brother Countries

$2,5 trillion of GDP is enough to do it in the next 10 years
And Turkish Defense Industry become global player


Turkiye is not Greece which sits idly and does not shape its destiny

 

[MMM-E]

Ok listen,listen. You're going nuts again about Turkish superiority. You're not accepting some things. Calm down and open your mind.

We very well know what about our capabilities

29 F-16 Block52+ -- 17 F-16V against 193 Turkish F-16s with Boeing E-7T AEWC for BVR combat

Remember: Greece already has F-16 Block 50/52+/52+ Advanced. We also have 17 F-16V and 24 Rafale F3R.

Your F-16 50/52+/52+ have nothing special to compare with 163 CCIP modernized F-16s which have block52 standard

Even 29 F-16 Block50+ can match with your 17 F-16V in BVR combat

Thanks to network centric warfare capability with Boeing E-7T AEWC and AIM-120C7 networked air to air Missiles


so 24 RAFALE can not change balance of power ..... except giving some tactical advantage

 

[MMM-E]

Italy goes here and there on missions and South Korea could fight China as well,so they could use the aircraft carriers to send them south if they have to.

And Turkiye will go here and there on missions to Qatar and Somalia
We could fight France-Greece in the Eastern Mediterranean
also if needed , we could use Aircraft Carrier to send Turkish Forces to Libya to protect national interests

 

[Foinikas]

We very well know what about our capabilities

29 F-16 Block52+ -- 17 F-16V against 193 Turkish F-16s with Boeing E-7T AEWC for BVR combat

Umm...you keep mentioning the F-16s that have Link 16. Let me tell you that for air superiority,we don't need Link 16. And in this case,it's your "193 Turkish F-16s" against our all of our F-16 Block 50/52/52+/52+ Advanced and F-16Vs as well as our Rafale F3R and the Mirage 2000-5 Mk II.

So...it's pretty useless trying to bet everything on your E-7T and your Link 16 capabilities.

Even 29 F-16 Block50+ can match with your 17 F-16V in BVR combat

Thanks to network centric warfare capability with Boeing E-7T AEWC and AIM-120C7 networked air to air Missiles

@CallSignMaverick You an air force fan,what's your take on this Turk's claims?

And Turkiye will go here and there on missions to Qatar and Somalia
We could fight France-Greece in the Eastern Mediterranean
also if needed , we could use Aircraft Carrier to send Turkish Forces to Libya to protect national interests

Wasted money.

 

[MMM-E]

So...it's pretty useless trying to bet everything on your E-7T and your Link 16 capabilities.

This capability gives AESA Radar ability to 192 Turkish F-16s in BVR combat

Turkiye spend $5,4 billion for this capability ( network centric warfare )

 

[Foinikas]

This capability gives AESA Radar ability to 193 Turkish F-16s in BVR combat

Turkiye spend $5,4 billion for this capability ( network centric warfare )

Listen,I honestly don't care how much money Turkey spent on it. And I'll bet nobody else here cares how much money Turkey spends for everything. So you don't have to mention it every single time you talk about something.

Your whole argument is the network centric warfare,which in practice never actually gave you an advantage against the Hellenic Air Force or maybe you haven't even tried it yet. In any case,your whole argument is based on the E-7T passing information to the F-16s in order for the missile to find a target and work as BVR.

We have practical things. We have our F-16V and Rafale with their AESA and their own BVR missiles. Meteor for example.

You can just admit that Greece has dominance when it comes to air warfare right now. For now.

 

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Your whole argument is the network centric warfare,which in practice never actually gave you an advantage against the Hellenic Air Force or maybe you haven't even tried it yet. In any case,your whole argument is based on the E-7T passing information to the F-16s in order for the missile to find a target and work as BVR.

If you dont accept the reality ... then its not my problem

in a conflict you will see what will happen
You can not say that heeeey Boeing E-7T AEWC please dont help Turkish F-16s in BVR combat

We have practical things. We have our F-16V and Rafale with their AESA and their own BVR missiles. Meteor for example.

Türkiye did not spend $5,4 billions of dollars in vain

192 Turkish F-16s have also AESA Radar ability via Boeing E-7T AEWC
and AIM-120C7 networked air to air missiles for this capability

 

[Foinikas]

If you dont accept the reality ... then its not my problem

in a conflict you will see what will happen
You can not say that hheeeey Boeing E-7T AEWC please dont help Turkish F-16s in BVR combat




192 Turkish F-16s have also AESA Radar ability via Boeing E-7T AEWC
and AIM-120C7 networked air to air missiles for this capability

Man,you can't even admit THAT. You've got serious problems.

Even this air superiority,you can't admit it. It's like you have such a big ego that you can't even imagine the possibility of Greece having a better Air Force than Turkey or Egypt a better Navy than Turkey or Iran having better loitering munitions than Turkey.

You can't accept it,even for the sake of not looking like an obnoxious asshole.

 

[MMM-E]

Man,you can't even admit THAT. You've got serious problems.

Even this air superiority,you can't admit it. It's like you have such a big ego that you can't even imagine the possibility of Greece having a better Air Force than Turkey or Egypt a better Navy than Turkey or Iran having better loitering munitions than Turkey.

Hellenic Air Force has nothing to change balance of power now
only some tactical advantage with 24 RAFALEs

and Turkiye gets far better Air Force with 270 F-16 Block70s , 3 stealth platforms KAAN , ANKA-3 and KIZILELMA ... 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs and 4 HAVASOJ stand off Jammer Aircraft
also REDET-2 next gen Radar Electronic Warfare System
also tons of long range guided munitions and Cruise Missiles
also superior Radar and AD Systems like S400 , SIPER B2 , HISAR-A/O , GOKDEMIR , GURZ , KORKUT , SUNGUR


-- Egyptian Navy is not even close to compare with the Turkish Navy

-- Turkiye has far better UCAV technologies to compare with Iran

You can't accept it,even for the sake of not looking like an obnoxious asshole.

Thats you

 

[SuperWarrior]

Greece must surrender rights in aegean, it s the most logic decision in order to not mess with west asia rights and legitimacy in that sea.

Europe has all the islands in mediterranean, and the only thing Turkiyeh is claming its the Cyprus posession. I find it truly logic, sincerely, because hitites were the natives from Cyprus, and natives were predemonently hytetes.

Hope greeks understand this issue in a civilized way and retire to athens region, because all the islands on the east must be in Turkiyeh hands in order to restaurate legitimacy. Some day it will happen, and we hope greek behaves rationally.