Setting Sail in the Eastern Mediterranean: A Comparative Analysis of Egyptian MEKO-200EN and Turkish İstif Class Frigates

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The process of creating an illusion of Turkish superiority is always the game they play

Firstly, the Greek Air Force is less than the age of the Turkish fighters. The Greek Air Force receives more than one fighter per month. So, it is not the Greek Air Force possessing 18 modernized F-16 Block 72 aircraft, but rather the monthly growth of this fighter, while the Turkish Air Force has zero fighters that possess an AESA radar.

The HAF has 24 Rafale fighters, their specifications are higher than any modernized F-16 version.

The Greek Air Force has 10 M346 aircraft equipped with AESA radar that can detect the F-35 at a range of 40 kilometers, and Greece requests 20 additional aircraft.
As for the story of Turkey in the future, it will develop 270 F-16 aircraft with AESA radar and will be equipped with better equipment. This is a presumption and a fictitious attempt to create an imaginary Turkish superiority because it is simply at this time.
Greece will have developed 120 F-16 aircraft with AESA radar
Greece will also have 40 RAFALE aircraft AS TOTAL
It has 40 F-35 aircraft
It will has 30 M346FA aircraft
So, at that time, Turkey will still not be superior, because the Turkish F-16 fleet itself is outdated and does not compensate for the Greek superiority in RAFALE & F-35 fighters.

A story in the future: The Turks will own the KAAN plane first. Currently, the Turks have an inability to commit to implementation at the specified times, and the Turks’ reliance on transferring technology from the Ukrainians is not very reliable.
The Turks are urging the Egyptians to become a partner in this project because they will not be able to finance and provide incentives to the Egyptians by establishing Turkish arms factories inside Egypt, which in itself is a benefit to the Turks simply because Egypt is a larger defense market and because Egypt’s manufacturing costs are significantly lower than the Turks, so the Turkish factories moved in The clothing and electrical appliances industry is coming to Egypt, and Turkish factories are also moving to cars, in addition to the Chinese company BYD, which will accept 3 production lines to Egypt.
We return to the illusion of Turkish superiority

The Turks have one F-16 aircraft, and it is an aircraft that has begun to go out of service in Egypt and Israel due to its obsolescence and the obsolescence of its technologies, even those developed. The most Egypt can do for these aircraft is developments for some copies of the F-16 BLOCK 40 & BLCOK 52, because it is simply as if you are upgrade F-16 aircraft. like F-4 In the year 2000, old and obsolete aircraft are not worth spending large sums of money. The Turks’ inability to obtain other fighters is the reason for their insistence on the F-16. There are no other aircraft available. F-15 EUROFIGHTER RAFALE SU-57/35
So do not try to make your weakness your strength with propaganda. Managing air weapons is not shouting, and Turkey can crush the Greek, Egyptian, Israeli, Chinese and American air forces. This is children’s talk and no one should be trusted.
The F-16 remains a plane that everyone has studied and knows the tactics of air superiority and neutralization with other models. So, simply why are Egypt and Greece maintaining MIRAGE-2000/RAFALE/MIG-29/35 fighters so that they have diversity in operational capabilities and the ability to differentiate in tactics to fight with many aircraft? Available tools: As for the story of Turkish equipment being superior to Greek and Egyptian equipment, this is true, only within your right brain hemisphere, but countries are developing their equipment to create combat superiority, not on military forums.
To give you a simple example, Egypt was the first country in the Middle East to integrate 1,300 AIM-7 missiles in 1988. The replacement group requested international tenders to produce BVR missiles to replace these missiles. China presented its PL-15 missile and India provided ASTRA missiles, and the Turks themselves wanted to enter the competition.

The story of the American restrictions that Egypt simply does not take into account. In one of the Egyptian aircraft factories, there was a discussion with Lockheed Matters regarding the Egyptian modifications that Egypt is implementing on the F-16 fighters. The company’s only response was that you made the modifications because we cannot force you not to develop your fighters or implement the modifications just to preserve On the planes and not to lose any plane due to modifications that affect the engines or the original systems. The Americans know full well that their restrictions on a country like Egypt. Egypt will not pay attention to any American objections, and Egypt provides solutions to provide spare parts in the event of an American embargo. This is the reason and secret of maintaining large numbers of American equipment because insurance. Egyptian aircraft are available during combat. If Egypt’s situation is like this, then what about Greece, whose only requirement is that the Greek F-16 development program is superior to Turkish developments on F-16 fighters, whether Turkish own development or American development of Turkish fighters, so what you are creating is the illusion of Turkish superiority. It does not exist except through your constant shouting and your claims, which no one takes into consideration, or because you have to understand the truth of things before you speak. We, as Egyptians, ignore many of the claims of some people’s superiority for a simple reason. The most important thing to us is crushing our enemy during the clash, and not shouting on forums like you, because all your shouting is just promotion. Because of the equipment you produce and your search for customers
By 2030

We'll have

Minimum 20 Kaan (with f110 engine)
120 F16 Viper
150 F16 Özgür
Kizilelma stealth jet ucav
Anka 3/4 stealth deep attack ucav
Many akinci, anka, tb 2/3

And before I forget,
40~80 Eurofighters.

Greece has no chance to compete with us.
 
You have an extremely twisted view of history and someone must tell you it's completely wrong. I asked what your origin is,because you always talk as if you are heavily biased. It's a bit silly to "hide" behind the flag of Andorra and pretend you are someone you are not,because you are obviously someone who is trolling and when you are not trolling,you talk in a very biased manner.

I would like to ask some of the mods and admins if they know anything and if they can tells us @Waz @Persian Gulf @dbc @Deino @RescueRanger @Musings @Oscar @The SC
I suggest we all stick to the topic. He has a right to an opinion. We dont have to agree with the opinion but can respectfully debate. His authenticity is a matter for him. Lets just stick to the topic bro.
 
I suggest we all stick to the topic. He has a right to an opinion. We dont have to agree with the opinion but can respectfully debate. His authenticity is a matter for him. Lets just stick to the topic bro.
It's not about his opinion. It's the fact that this guy is hiding behind a fake flag,while freely (and obviously) trolling and trying to start fights. If he would admit his origin,where he is from,then it would have been ok. When I got to the forum,back then one of the admins thought I was using VPN,but I wasn't(as he confirmed later),so I guess someone masking or lying about their flags is important,right?

On the other hand, i dont want to put my flag,
And why is that? Are you ashamed of your country or afraid of something? Or is it because this way it's easier for you to start fights on the forum with your blatant lies and ignorance?
 
No history posts.
@Foinikas is a respected member and he is Greek! Of course he will support his motherland.
Keep to the topic.
 
y 2030

We'll have

Minimum 20 Kaan (with f110 engine)
120 F16 Viper
150 F16 Özgür
Kizilelma stealth jet ucav
Anka 3/4 stealth deep attack ucav
Many akinci, anka, tb 2/3

And before I forget,
40~80 Eurofighters.
Ya kardeş,all that is hypothetical. You will get the F-16V kits and aircraft (if you don't do something new to piss the Americans off so much they will cancel the deal again),ama bu 150 Özgür how? I mean the number 150 is too high if you already have 120 F-16Vs.

As for Kizilelma and TFX,they are still not in production.

And as for 40-80 Eurofighter,you don't even have the ok from the Germans,let alone negotiate,send a LoR,get a LoA and start receiving them. And besides,80 is a very big number considering you plan to produce your own aircraft and stop relying on foreign countries for equipment.
 
, it is not the Greek Air Force possessing 18 modernized F-16 Block 72 aircraft, but rather the monthly growth of this fighter, while the Turkish Air Force has zero fighters that possess an AESA radar.

Turkish Air Force has 192 F-16s with AESA Radar capability via Boeing E-7T AEWCs 600 km AESA Radar which can detect F-16V and RAFALE from 350 km away

you ignorant fantasy boys

go and learn what about network centric warfare
 
Greece will have developed 120 F-16 aircraft with AESA radar
Greece will also have 40 RAFALE aircraft AS TOTAL
It has 40 F-35 aircraft
It will has 30 M346FA aircraft

You are talking about 2032


if you talking about 2032

then Turkish Air Force

Turkiye will have 270 F-16 Block70
Turkiye will have 20 KAAN in 2028
Turkish Air Force will have dozens of KIZILELMA and ANKA-3
Turkish Air Force will have HURJET
Turkish Airforce 4 HAVASOJ stand off Jammer Aircraft


and still fantasy boys dreaming with SPECTRA which is nothing special to compare with 60 Turkish F-16s equipped with SPEED-2 electronic warfare suite
 
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Turkish Air Force has 192 F-16s with AESA Radar capability via Boeing E-7T AEWCs 600 km AESA Radar which can detect F-16V and RAFALE from 350 km away

you ignorant fantasy boys

go and learn what about network centric warfare
Basically Turkey doesn't have F-16s with AESA radar. Only the Link 16 that might give you some capability,but have you tried that in action and as to how effective it is?
 
Greece has no chance to compete with us.

Also better Air Defense capabilitiy to compare with Greece

Most modern
KORKUT
SUNGUR
GURZ
GOKDEMIR
HISAR-A
HISAR-O
SIPER

also S400 with superior network Radar

also better strike capabilitiy to compare with Greece
with ground-air-naval based Cruise Missiles and Ballistic Missiles also long range Kamikaze Drones

BORA
TAYFUN
CENK
KARA-ATMACA
GEZGIN
AKBABA
SOM
KUZGUN-TJ
CAKIR
IHA-230
KEMANKES
SUPERSIMSEK
 
Basically Turkey doesn't have F-16s with AESA radar. Only the Link 16 that might give you some capability,but have you tried that in action and as to how effective it is?

Its an American technology which use NATO Members

Boeing E-7T AEWC 600km AESA Radar
Link-16 datalink
AIM-120C7 networked Air to Air Missile
and F-16

This combat proven technology gives AESA Radar ability to 192 Turkish F-16s now

while Greece has only 17 F-16V with AESA Radar now
and 29 F-16 Block52 adv have network centric warfare capability to work with Erieye EMB-145H AEW&C

17+29 F-16s now
also 17 RAFALEs with AESA Radar now
 
Also better Air Defense capabilitiy to compare with Greece

Most modern
KORKUT
SUNGUR
GURZ
GOKDEMIR
HISAR-A
HISAR-O
SIPER

also S400 with superior network Radar

also better strike capabilitiy to compare with Greece
with ground-air-naval based Cruise Missiles and Ballistic Missiles also long range Kamikaze Drones

BORA
TAYFUN
CENK
KARA-ATMACA
GEZGIN
AKBABA
SOM
KUZGUN-TJ
CAKIR
IHA-230
KEMANKES
SUPERSIMSEK
You constantly keep repeating these endless lists of supposed superweapons. It's as if you are so insecure and you are actually trying to convince everyone else that Turkey is indeed a superpower. Are you really that insecure?

No,no don't reply with "no a insecure I just say truth".

Why do you keep writing down the same lists?
 
Its an American technology which use NATO Members

Boeing E-7T AEWC 600km AESA Radar
Link-16 datalink
AIM-120C7 networked Air to Air Missile
and F-16

This combat proven technology gives AESA Radar ability to 192 Turkish F-16s now

while Greece has only 17 F-16V with AESA Radar now
and 29 F-16 Block52 adv have network centric warfare capability to work with Erieye EMB-145H AEW&C

17+29 F-16s
and 17 RAFALEs with AESA Radar now
"which use NATO members"

I asked if you have seen Turkey using it at war,if you have had any success by using it in the field of battle.
 
and still fantasy boys dreaming with SPECTRA which is nothing special to compare with 60 Turkish F-16s equipped with SPEED-2 electronic warfare suite
SPECTRA is nothing special compared to SPEED-2 Turkish unknown thing? Are you kidding? Thales makes "nothing special",but suddenly Turkey is an expert so we should mock SPECTRA? You're trying to convince yourself of Turkish superiority so hard,that you're going around saying nonsense.
 
"which use NATO members"

Most of NATO Countries use link-16 data-link


I asked if you have seen Turkey using it at war,if you have had any success by using it in the field of battle.


Turkish Air Force used this network centric warfare capability when shot down 2 SU-24 in Syria

Turkish Boeing E-7T AEWC detected the regime Fighter Jets and reported this to the F-16s conducting air patrols via data transfer in a very short time.

Turkish F-16s engaged regime Fighter Jets, which they coded as "enemy" using the radar data transmitted to F-16s by the E-7T AEWC, and fired AIM-120C7 networked air to air missile from within Turkish airspace.


even Turkish F-16s turned off their radars to prevent their location from being detected by Syrian Fighter Jets and Air Defense Systems

and Turkish F-16s used E-7T Radar to engage on Syrian Fighter Jets

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Why do you keep writing down the same lists?

Go and say it to SAMI-1 who listed future weapons of Hellenic Air Force for 2030-2032 period
 
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SPECTRA is nothing special compared to SPEED-2 Turkish unknown thing? Are you kidding? Thales makes "nothing special",but suddenly Turkey is an expert so we should mock SPECTRA? You're trying to convince yourself of Turkish superiority so hard,that you're going around saying nonsense.

Who says unknow ?

SPEWS-2 has been jointly developed by Turkish ASELSAN and British BAE Systems
enough with your France and Greece ... know your place who think only THALES has technology

ASELSAN and BAE Systems are among the one of the best defense companies in the world in AESA Radar and Electronic Warfare technologies

if your 17 RAFALEs have SPECTRA now
Our 60 F-16s have SPEWS-2 now
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