Shaheen 2 Training launch

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The next mod is I believe they are going to add an AESA radar in the cone to detect and avoid enemy counter missiles.

Aesa carried by BMs you don't know how BMs sensors works, so basically you knows nothing about BMs sensors tech

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

So Shaheen 3 is Just one more stage for it to be able to send people to the moon:-

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Stop your falsehood

 

[HRK]

Interesting that the training launch is being done with a white (non camo) missile, which is usually reserved for test launches. Or they've just put out an older video.

Old video of one of the previous test.

 

[falcon34]

Old video of one of the previous test.

i went through the previous tests footage, this is the new footage, probably the guidance and survivability features which are used on Shaheen 3 are being deployed on S2 for precision strikes and maneuvering features.

 

[LeGenD]

The next mod is I believe they are going to add an AESA radar in the cone to detect and avoid enemy counter missiles.

Ballistic missile radar system is used to improve accuracy:

Based on the Pershing I and IA missiles, the Pershing II contained technological and operational improvements that resulted in greater range and accuracy. The accuracy was improved by the use of a new radar area correlation guidance system that compared incoming targets with images recorded on its computer memory.

From here.

The Pershing II also featured a new and more accurate reentry vehicle (RV) that included an active radar guidance system developed by Goodyear Aerospace. Upon reentry, terrain-mapping radar in the nose scanned the area below, comparing the resulting radar image with the map stored in the missile’s guidance computer.

From here.

A ballistic missile is not known to detect and attempt to avoid interceptors like a sophisticated manned aircraft due to its ballistic flight profile and appropriate sensor installation considerations. It can perform pre-programmed maneuvers or release PENAIDS in an attempt to complicate intercept process but it comes down to what it is up against. Shaheen II was never used in war so we do not know how Indian defenses stack up to it in current form. It may come down to speed, strategy, and timing.

And if a radar system is added to the re-entry vehicle then:

The Pershing II intermediate-range missile, deployed in 1983, had a warhead that performed a 25-g pull-up maneuver, although primarily not to evade anti-missile defenses but to slow the vehicle enough that the terrain-matching radar in its nose could find fixed targets on the ground (Perrett et al. 2014).

From here.

There is a trade-off, mate.

 

[indushek]

different sub-systems incorporated for improved accuracy and enhanced survivability. Definitely, it looks like they've added new systems.

Clearly it has to be expected, given the work on BMD on this side.

 

[indushek]

The next mod is I believe they are going to add an AESA radar in the cone to detect and avoid enemy counter missiles.

I highly doubt if its possible and what additional advantage can it provide even if possible??

Most missiles these days don't have large CEP (the probability of the re-entry vehicle missing the target) anyway (assuming you want a AESA radar to make sure the hit has pin point accuracy). The older missiles had large CEP ranges, due to olde guidance systems which have now developed well. Further when its a nuclear war (am sure Shaheen isn't for conventional warhead) even a larger CEP makes no difference. The effects will be devastating, given the fall out ranges.

As to my doubt for this being even possible: A warhead in free fall (and am mentioning terminal phase of a ICBM here), can travel at anywhere between 6 to 8 Km per second (a quick google mind you, not an expert here). At those speeds can AESA radar work? as if am not wrong the re-entry vehicle's surface must be suffering massive heat levels that cuts off electronics or at least hampers their working.

 

[falcon34]

Ballistic missile radar system is used to improve accuracy:

Based on the Pershing I and IA missiles, the Pershing II contained technological and operational improvements that resulted in greater range and accuracy. The accuracy was improved by the use of a new radar area correlation guidance system that compared incoming targets with images recorded on its computer memory.

From here.

The Pershing II also featured a new and more accurate reentry vehicle (RV) that included an active radar guidance system developed by Goodyear Aerospace. Upon reentry, terrain-mapping radar in the nose scanned the area below, comparing the resulting radar image with the map stored in the missile’s guidance computer.

From here.

A ballistic missile is not known to detect and attempt to avoid interceptors like a sophisticated manned aircraft due to its ballistic flight profile and appropriate sensor installation considerations. It can perform pre-programmed maneuvers or release PENAIDS in an attempt to complicate intercept process but it comes down to what it is up against. Shaheen II was never used in war so we do not know how Indian defenses stack up to it in current form. It may come down to speed, strategy, and timing.

And if a radar system is added to the re-entry vehicle then:

The Pershing II intermediate-range missile, deployed in 1983, had a warhead that performed a 25-g pull-up maneuver, although primarily not to evade anti-missile defenses but to slow the vehicle enough that the terrain-matching radar in its nose could find fixed targets on the ground (Perrett et al. 2014).

From here.

There is a trade-off, mate.

Bro, pershing is old school, there is no comparing it to modern missiles like shaheen series

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Pakistan has a little way to go before it catches the US, Russia and China up:-

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Little Pakistan has NO CHANCE to catch up these space superpowers

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

So Shaheen 3 is Just one more stage for it to be able to send people to the moon:-

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What kind of engineering degree you have that didn't teach you about BASIC PHYSICS?

And don't compare MRBM to SUPER-HEAVY Space launch vehicle

Do you know what is the size of Saturn V rocket?

Saturn V first and second stages had much larger specifications then whole SHAHEEN-3 only third stage of Saturn V was smaller then SHAHEEN-3, Google Saturn V specifications then talk

And last solid fuel rockets can only able to reach sub-orbital altitudes or low earth orbits (BMs) and only used as a boosters for sapce launch vehicles because they have low IsP (specific impulses) then liquid fuel rockets and they can't lift super- heavy payloads to earth parking orbit that intended toward the moon

And do research on the topic/subject that you said SHAHEEN-3 NEEDS ONE MORE STAGE TO ABLE TO SEND PEOPLE TO THE MOON

THIS ENGINEERING DEGREE YOU HAVE WHICH TEACHES NONSENSE/CRAP

 

[LeGenD]

Bro, pershing is old school, there is no comparing it to modern missiles like shaheen series

Mate, the US is way ahead of Pakistan in rocket science. You continue to assert that Pershing is old school and obsolete but I am not sure how you reached this conclusion when other countries are attempting to replicate Pershing II capabilities in current times:



In view of post # 17, I shed light on the fact that adding a radar system to the reentry vehicle will make it necessary to slow it down during the terminal phase of its flight for the onboard radar to work or it will fail due to sheer heat. The US have conducted these experiments decades earlier.

Pakistan's Shaheen series uses Post-Separation Altitude Correction (PSAC) for better accuracy. Most likely this:

"Once the missile begins its ballistic trajectory – when engine cut-off of the last rocket stage occurs – the speed (and flight direction) of the missile might be corrected to increase its accuracy. However, evidently this cannot be done with the rocket’s main engine(s), which were already too inaccurate at cut-off. Another set of engines is therefore required." (Dr. Markus Schiller)

Pershing II used MaRV technology for better accuracy:

"Another way to increase a missile’s accuracy is through manoeuvres during its terminal phase of flight. While this sounds like a simple option, there are considerable challenges associated with this type of manoeuvre. To successfully conduct them, the incoming missile/warhead/re-entry vehicle must know its and the target’s exact location and reduce the difference between them by as much as possible. Such a manoeuvre might be conducted through the guidance system and onboard computer relaying instructions to manoeuvrable external canards and fins, or by actively changing the position of the object’s centre of gravity by moving a weight inside the object, or by firing additional thrusters. Alternatively, a seeker can provide the warhead with terminal guidance which it may use to steer toward the target. While the former approach requires very accurate onboard guidance, potentially with external support, the latter requires sensors – for instance radar or electro-optical – that can detect the target from a significant distance despite the possibility of clouds, reflections and other phenomena that may affect them at re-entry. Another complicating factor for long-range missiles during the terminal phase of flight is their very high re-entry speeds, which reduce the time and radius of movement for a manoeuvring system. Additionally, the missile must carry the equipment that is necessary for terminal manoeuvres, including sensors, guidance systems, computers, power supplies, control systems with actuators, cables and mounts. This again increases the weight of the system, therefore limiting the available space and weight for the actual weapon payload. A warhead which contains all of this equipment, which separates from the missile body, is called a manoeuvrable re-entry vehicle, or MaRV" (Dr. Markus Schiller)

It is important to understand the difference between these two concepts.

The US also put together a ballistic missile in 2020 and equipped it with a MACH-17 rated endo-atmospheric hypersonic vehicle and it demonstrated CEP of 0.6 inch in a successful test. Imagine this.

 

[Khansaheeb]

What kind of engineering degree you have that didn't teach you about BASIC PHYSICS?

And don't compare MRBM to SUPER-HEAVY Space launch vehicle

Do you know what is the size of Saturn V rocket?

Saturn V first and second stages had much larger specifications then whole SHAHEEN-3 only third stage of Saturn V was smaller then SHAHEEN-3, Google Saturn V specifications then talk

And last solid fuel rockets can only able to reach sub-orbital altitudes or low earth orbits (BMs) and only used as a boosters for sapce launch vehicles because they have low IsP (specific impulses) then liquid fuel rockets and they can't lift super- heavy payloads to earth parking orbit that intended toward the moon

And do research on the topic/subject that you said SHAHEEN-3 NEEDS ONE MORE STAGE TO ABLE TO SEND PEOPLE TO THE MOON

THIS ENGINEERING DEGREE YOU HAVE WHICH TEACHES NONSENSE/CRAP

OK you sitting in the US makes you a loud mouth critic of Pakistan's space program? Are you saying Pakistan can't transform the Shaheen-III missile into a space launch vehicle capable of carrying astronauts ? You are the same kind of Hindjew who said Pakistan can't make a nuke bomb and Pakistan now even has H-Bombs and big MFs they are. Agreed Pakistan would need to undertake a major overhaul of the rocket's design, significantly enhance its payload capacity and thrust, develop and build the necessary infrastructure. Together with collaboration with China ( which is under way),Pakistan's successful human spaceflight mission is not far off. You will probably fall off your chair when you see the size and specs of Shaheen 4, Pakistan's ICBM. It is evolutionary my dear foolish man, Pakistan is cable of achieving anything it wants.

 

[Khansaheeb]

I highly doubt if its possible and what additional advantage can it provide even if possible??

Most missiles these days don't have large CEP (the probability of the re-entry vehicle missing the target) anyway (assuming you want a AESA radar to make sure the hit has pin point accuracy). The older missiles had large CEP ranges, due to olde guidance systems which have now developed well. Further when its a nuclear war (am sure Shaheen isn't for conventional warhead) even a larger CEP makes no difference. The effects will be devastating, given the fall out ranges.

As to my doubt for this being even possible: A warhead in free fall (and am mentioning terminal phase of a ICBM here), can travel at anywhere between 6 to 8 Km per second (a quick google mind you, not an expert here). At those speeds can AESA radar work? as if am not wrong the re-entry vehicle's surface must be suffering massive heat levels that cuts off electronics or at least hampers their working.

Glad you are doubting and not categorically dismissing. Technologically anything is possible, Pakistan army is making great strides.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

OK you sitting in the US makes you a loud mouth critic of Pakistan's space program? Are you saying Pakistan can't transform the Shaheen-III missile into a space launch vehicle capable of carrying astronauts ? You are the same kind of Hindjew who said Pakistan can't make a nuke bomb and Pakistan now even has H-Bombs and big MFs they are. Agreed Pakistan would need to undertake a major overhaul of the rocket's design, significantly enhance its payload capacity and thrust, develop and build the necessary infrastructure. Together with collaboration with China ( which is under way),Pakistan's successful human spaceflight mission is not far off. You will probably fall off your chair when you see the size and specs of Shaheen 4, Pakistan's ICBM. It is evolutionary my dear foolish man, Pakistan is cable of achieving anything it wants.

That's your thinking with current financial issues Pakistan don't do the damn

And I'm muslim and came from karachi Pakistan in 2017 I want good and prosperous Pakistan

And no you can't convert S-3 into slv at least not for moon mission because it uses solid fuel with much less payload capacity than compared to liquid fuel rockets and make it much bigger then tiny S3 at least on par of Saturn V rocket (110 meter/363 feet)

Tell me brother how many solid fuel rockets reached the moon?

And there's no need ICBM and your imaginary S4 because our main enemies (India and Israel) within our BMs range

So please brother think logically not emotionally

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Pakistan now even has H-Bombs

Do you have any backup/proofs of your claim?