SMASH SLBM Testing - Nov 2025

I know what it is. I used the layman's term "homing beacon"....it's provides a greater return than what we would face in the real world.

Perhaps I should have been more clear
....what does that mean for real world situations?
It doesn't necessarily provide a greater return, it's just meant to simulate a naval vessel.
If SMASH uses active radar homing, it could be susceptible to jamming, ECM, or active countermeasures by the IN vessel. The other option is to use an IIR (imaging infrared) sensor, which would be immune to ECM, but it could be defeated by flares or other decoys, the IIR processing capability would need to be sophisticated enough to discriminate between the vessel and the decoys. Both types of guidance have their advantages and disadvantages, the choice will be a trade off between what the PN can afford and likely defence countermeasures on the IN vessels.
 
Question. Can OTH radar provide early warning and rough location, then send in a sensor (MPA, AWACS or drone) to gather target quality data? Not the most elegant and realtime solution but does it sound feasible as a A2/AD solution?

Short Answer: I don't think so

At that range without a Satellite Linked C2 for target acquisition and guidance, conventional means runs into considerable enemy defenses with negligible chances of success (unless we consider sheer luck).

These systems and ranges are just numbers on paper without a solid Satellite Linked C2 Mesh.

The essay I wrote was to clarify some of the earlier posts that were misrepresented by a member, and by no means is an assertion that Pakistan either has such systems or even pursue them at haste.
 
Apparently Pakistani achievement has scared its adversary. India thought by offering its backside to Zionists, it can have superior tech in its respective region.
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Completely opposite to Indian expectations

However, after Ansarallah attack on their pro Israeli vessel right in Indian shores, India should've noticed that alliance with Zionists won't bring them superiority.
 
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So reports on X about Pakistan testing a 700km missile is not correct??
 
FYI for all - before everyone goes all into long range SMASH - this should be required reading.
Chinese AsBM
But since that expectation is unrealistic - The most pertinent parts for any extended range AsBM - land or sea launch is somewhat irrelevant - is


"China operates a wide spectrum of satellites, which can provide data useful for targeting within its maritime region.” Moreover,Dorsett stated, “China’s non–space-based ISR could provide the necessary information to support DF-21D employment. This includes aircraft, UAVs,fishing boats and over-the-horizon radar for ocean surveillance and targeting."

Please consider China's fleet of these system versus Pakistan's.

Then
"Demonstrated Chinese ASBM capability to strike a moving maritime target would not only suggest the potency of a new, unique weapons system, but also serve as a leading indicator of emerging C4ISR-supported counter-intervention capabilities. "

You cannot truly be effective in AsBM without C4ISR - the initial success of PAF in May had this as the key lynchpin - NOT THE PL-15.

"Satellite-based ISR will improve the ability of Chinese ballistic and cruise missiles to strike moving maritime targets. For instance, a DF-21D ASBM might be launched on a ballistic trajectory aimed roughly at the position of aCSG based in part on satellite data. Satellites might also be used to track and target the CSG, e.g. by supplying position updates. 170 If engaged in air operations, the CSG would have a large electromagnetic signature. Initial detection systems include China’s existing land-based sky wave and surface wave OTH radars, which could detect aircraft Doppler.171 Such near-space vehicles as airships/aerostats are credited by Chinese analysts as offering large early warning surveillance areas, good concealment and survivability, good dwell time and persistent coverage; and low launch and operating costs; they might eventually play a similar role. Inputs from these systems, in turn,could be used to task imaging satellites to search small areas to confirm identification of the CSG"

"Imaging satellites, which must be based in low-earth orbit, remain in constant motion, and thus take snapshots of pre-designated areas at periodic and predictable revisit times. Shifting orbits could temporarily improve coverage slightly, but would consume precious fuel. Hence, a basic sense of coverage may be gained by examining satellites’ orbits, inclinations, and periods. By2009, China had approximately 22 imaging satellites with sufficient resolution to play a role in detecting and tracking a CSG"


What similar near continuous coverage can Pakistan claim for its EEZ or the Indian Ocean? India could with more investment make it because both money and ability to launch own ecosystem of satellites gives them an existing base, but Pakistan has no money nor the existing base.

What Pakistan has in options is hoping to get UAV's out HOURS IN ADVANCE to expected AOR of IN and hope they go undetected and robust against jamming - which can then be used for mid course correction or final targeting data.

LASTLY - before we all propose short paragraphs on "what ifs" and "YEH KYUN NAHIN KARTE!!!"

So folks talking to long range SmASH - Please try to answer the following in your post - as a sincere request. Or at least think of them.

P.s Happy to be corrected @JamD @Ak01 @Quwa @Michael @Deino

Overall kill chain​

  1. How should Pakistani naval planners conceptualize the full ASBM kill chain against Indian carrier or major surface groups, beyond the basic steps of detection, tracking, defense penetration, hitting a moving target, and causing mission killing damage
  2. What specific operational phases (such as peacetime shaping, crisis surveillance, targeting, strike authorization, and post strike assessment) should Pakistan define in its ASBM doctrine for the Indian Ocean theatre
  3. How can Pakistan ensure that the kill chain remains resilient if individual nodes such as space assets, over the horizon radar, maritime patrol aircraft, data links, or command centers are degraded or destroyed

Targeting and seeker architecture​

  1. What seeker and onboard sensor architecture would be most realistic for a Pakistani ASBM like SMASH or its successor to reliably engage high value Indian naval targets at range
  2. What mix of sensors such as coastal or shipborne radars, airborne ISR (including Sea Sultan and UAVs), commercial or friendly satellites, electronic and communications intelligence, and potentially over the horizon radar could Pakistan integrate to generate and maintain targeting quality tracks for ASBM employment
  3. In the likely absence of a dense, dedicated Pakistani space based ISR constellation, what alternative cueing concepts such as airborne ISR, surface pickets, UAV swarms, or passive RF sensing could keep the target’s potential movement during the missile’s flight within the seeker’s acquisition basket
  4. To what extent could Pakistani planners consider non traditional or civilian maritime assets such as fishing fleets, commercial shipping, coastal observers, AIS data, and other open sources as contributors to the wider maritime picture used to cue ASBMs, and what are the operational and escalation risks
  5. For a Pakistani ASBM seeker:
    • Would active radar, passive RF, imaging infrared, or a multi mode combination be most appropriate given India’s likely electronic warfare and decoy capabilities
    • How should the seeker be designed to perform target discrimination within a task group, for example identifying a carrier or major combatant versus escorts or merchant vessels
    • How challenging would robust discrimination be in the cluttered, high traffic Arabian Sea and broader Indian Ocean environment
  6. Does accurate discrimination and engagement fundamentally rely on the large radar or infrared signature of a carrier sized target, or should Pakistan design its system and doctrine from the outset to also prosecute smaller but critical targets such as destroyers, large auxiliaries, and key logistics ships

Countermeasures and vulnerabilities​

  1. What do Pakistani strategists assess as the main technical and operational failure modes that could render a SMASH type ASBM ineffective or unusable in a conflict with India, for example ISR disruption, jamming, decoys, interceptors, or cyber attacks on command and control
  2. How should Pakistan evaluate and plan around Indian current and future counter space capabilities, including anti satellite testing and electronic attack on satellite links, that might threaten any reliance on foreign or domestic space based assets for ASBM targeting and navigation
  3. If GPS, BeiDou, or other global navigation systems are degraded by India through jamming, spoofing, or regional denial measures, what backup or complementary navigation methods such as improved inertial navigation, terrain or sea state correlation techniques, celestial updates, or datalink corrections should a Pakistani ASBM incorporate
  4. How effective might Indian ship and land based missile defense systems, for example Barak 8, Indian BMD layers, and cooperative engagement with airborne sensors, be against a Pakistani ASBM, and what saturation, timing, or trajectory tactics could Pakistan adopt to stress those defenses
  5. What electronic warfare, cyber, and deception capabilities should Pakistan assume India will bring to bear against the ASBM kill chain, and how can Pakistani doctrine and technical design mitigate those threats

Evasion, maneuvering, and penetration aids​

  1. What level of maneuverability, including pull up profiles, irregular or quasi ballistic trajectories, or depressed and lofted paths, is realistic and desirable for a Pakistani ASBM to complicate Indian early warning and engagement solutions
  2. How should Pakistan prioritize and sequence the development of penetration aids such as decoys, chaff, inflatable or radar reflective submunitions, infrared flares, or signature shaping reentry vehicles for a SMASH class missile
  3. What trade offs in range, payload, and guidance complexity is Pakistan willing to accept to gain higher terminal maneuvering performance and better survivability against Indian ballistic missile defense and ship based interceptors
  4. How can Pakistan test and validate irregular or maneuvering trajectories, as well as penetration aid performance, within its own instrumented ranges and telemetry constraints without revealing too much about capabilities and profiles to external observers
  5. What doctrine should Pakistan adopt for salvo size, launch timing, and mixed profile attacks, combining ballistic and cruise missiles and different trajectories and altitudes, to maximize the chance of ASBM penetration through India’s layered air and missile defenses

Integration into Pakistani strategy​

  1. How does a SMASH type ASBM fit into Pakistan’s broader conventional deterrence and anti access or area denial posture against India, especially in the North Arabian Sea and approaches to key ports such as Karachi and Gwadar
  2. What command and control arrangements, including the balance between centralized and delegated authority and between pre planned and dynamic target assignment, best reconcile escalation control with the need for rapid engagement of fleeting Indian naval targets
  3. How should Pakistan coordinate ASBM employment with other assets such as submarines, anti ship cruise missiles, airpower, and coastal defenses to create layered, overlapping threats that complicate Indian naval operations and defenses

These are all very practical considerations - my only complain is that too many questions have been asked in one go haha

Anyhow, the reason many members have been suggesting 1000 km range for own systems is probably stemming from the partial understanding regarding BrahMos-ER with 800 km range.

The reality as it stand currently is that these BrahMos-ER are reportedly still in final testing phase. The public timeline for their EOP for IN is 2027. They can proclaim all they want that the current operational BrahMos deployed by IN can become ER merely by a simple software upgrade to it's guidance system, however, I guess you and I both know it's not that simple and will require Ramjet upgrade as well as its fuel tank.

So the 800 km strike on Karachi isn't happening, at least not for another few years.

Even if we assume that the BrahMos-ER are fully operational as of this day, their practical use case still run into the same obstacles as mentioned by the considerations in your post. Given that Karachi is a stationary target and not a moving one they can guide their missiles through GPS but will run into our ADS. They may get a couple of strikes but that doesn't create any kind of superiority for them. For moving Naval targets their ER (even if assumed to be operational today) aren't practical yet because of the lack of Satellite Linked C2 Mesh on their end as well.

For their operational BrahMos at present, they'll have to launch it inside 450 km range, which is in range of our assets i.e. Subs, Harbah, SMASH, and F4. This is an assumption on my part but I think we have underdeclared range on SMASH by 75-100 km. In any case, as I have mentioned before, I think SMASH is enough deterrence against IN threat for next couple of years at least.

I'll try and address the considerations from your post and "think" - so will need some time haha but at a range of 1000 km I don't think anything will work without SATCOM, and even with SATCOM, we'll need a multiple tiered system and multiple nodes in those tiers for accurate target acquisition and guidance.
 
So reports on X about Pakistan testing a 700km missile is not correct??

I haven't seen those X posts but in September we tested the F4 - it's a TEL based standoff CM with 750 km declared range.
 
It doesn't necessarily provide a greater return, it's just meant to simulate a naval vessel.
If SMASH uses active radar homing, it could be susceptible to jamming, ECM, or active countermeasures by the IN vessel. The other option is to use an IIR (imaging infrared) sensor, which would be immune to ECM, but it could be defeated by flares or other decoys, the IIR processing capability would need to be sophisticated enough to discriminate between the vessel and the decoys. Both types of guidance have their advantages and disadvantages, the choice will be a trade off between what the PN can afford and likely defence countermeasures on the IN vessels.

Modern sensors are so easy to develop these days, that having a dual sensor of both RD and IIR combined, with a smart AI trained algorithm that keeps the missile are track, is the way to go. It really does not need to be an "or" anymore, it can be an "and".
 
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Modern sensors are so easy to develop these days, ......
Don't say things like that so easily.

The difficulty of anything depends on your requirements.

Take a sensor, for example: entertainment grade? commercial grade? industrial grade? aerospace grade? military grade? laboratory grade? There's a world of difference between the requirements of different grades.

Oscilloscopes are a basic tool commonly used in the electronics industry. Simple, right?
Recently, China independently developed and manufactured a 90 GHz oscilloscope. Previously, we were 100% reliant on imports. Our domestically manufactured oscilloscopes cost 1.2 to 1.4 million RMB, but imported ones cost over 2 million RMB each and were subject to strict restrictions from Western countries, making them difficult to obtain.
 
Good news and development.

The U.S ended anti-houthi action quite abruptly, the main reason was, it was only a matter of time before the houthis sunk a major U.S asset

As it was their were multiple close calls for the U.S navy and as you said they had to do difficult sharp turns/manoeuvring to avoid being hit and lost at least two fighter jets, with one just falling off the side

The Houthis major problem was the inability to sustain a attack with multiple assets at once

If we can create a 1000km shore based anti ship ballistic or hypersonic option and back it up with multiple drone and cruise missile options to target ships or carrier groups in a single attack, then it would be suicide for any navy to come within range of the Pakistani coast

India may still have the advantage with a larger navy, but they would struggle to enforce any blockade and the risk to their navy would be enormous and if they actually lost a ship, it would be humiliating
Speculation. The Houthi reached out to Oman to negotiate an end to war with the US in Red Sea. To be fair, the Houthi are the FIRST to combine drones, CM and ASBM into a significant strike package to attack ships in war. The scale and sophistication of these attacks is unmatched in recent times, made possible by Russian and Iranian technical support. The Iranian Navy itself was a no-show during war with Israel. The Houthi are uniquely positioned to threaten ships in Red Sea but their capacity to fight a war in Red Sea has sharply declined due to American and Israeli strikes. The Israeli Navy was able to conduct strikes in Yemen virtually unopposed not long ago.

The USN intercepted about 400 anti-ship projectiles (drones/CM/ASBM) launched by the Houthi during war with the US in Red Sea. You can find relevant information in the following link: https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2025-01-16/houthis-navy-red-sea-missiles-drones-16500246.html

The Harry S. Truman ACC deployment was extended repeatedly. The sailors onboard might be under greater stress due to this factor. The replacement came late. The Red Sea is not an ocean and have heavy traffic, it provides limited space for naval combat maneuverability accordingly. The ACC needs to avoid collision with other ships while conducting combat operations. On 07-05-25, the Harry S. Truman ACC neutralized a strike volley but it was also performing evasive maneuvers and an F-18 attempted to land at the same time but the arresting gear broke and the jet fighter was lost. It was bad luck but the pilots were saved.

I agree with the rest of your post. The IN is good but not even close to the USN in defenses.
 
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Really pathetic propaganda tbh, even if take at a face value that we can't see the missile in a frame, the speed cannot be placed above 4 mach. I know it's not navy guys doing this whoever is doing needs to take a fking break
 
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Really pathetic propaganda tbh, even if take at a face value that we can't see the missile in a frame, the speed cannot be placed above 4 mach. I know it's not navy guys doing this whoever is doing needs to take a fking break

Geniouse straight from launcher speed would not be 8 mach it will gain speed much later.
 
So what is the speed estimate ? if its ballistic missile than it cant be less than mach 5. and terminal speed less than mach 2 ?
 

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