SMASH SLBM Testing - Nov 2025

[Vikramaditya1]

Apparently Pakistani achievement has scared its adversary. India thought by offering its backside to Zionists, it can have superior tech in its respective region.
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Completely opposite to Indian expectations

However, after Ansarallah attack on their pro Israeli vessel right in Indian shores, India should've noticed that alliance with Zionists won't bring them superiority.

Indian media reports everything like it's the end of the world. They don't represent our establishment they are after clicks and thanks for giving them that. As for Zionists. Buying "Zionist" weapons have been beneficial for us. Its not like Iran is going to send weapons to India in case of Indo Pak conflict apart from offering to mediate or thoughts and prayers to end conflicts, so yeah. Thanks but no thanks.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Indian media reports everything like it's the end of the world. They don't represent our establishment they are after clicks and thanks for giving them that. As for Zionists. Buying "Zionist" weapons have been beneficial for us. Its not like Iran is going to send weapons to India in case of Indo Pak conflict apart from offering to mediate or thoughts and prayers to end conflicts, so yeah. Thanks but no thanks.

and iran will still work with india lmao , their foreign policy is a joke , but i do see some change especially after 12 day war

 

[Panzerkiel]

Even worse is they don't talk about bhuj we didn't even seen any propaganda video of any launchers and command vehicles.
My theory is after bholari pak hit bhuj pretty hard. @Panzerkiel also mentioned some lucrative targets were hit in retaliation to bholari.

 

[imadul]

1st test in Nov 2024, and 2nd One year after 25th Nov, 2025.

I surmise, it is same ASBM, P-282/Supersonic Missile Anti-SHip SMASH.
With 350 KM range, and 8 x missiles in 2 x 4 launchers is good A2/AD on F-22P along CM-302 on 054A/P.
But total 16 long range AShM.
Just one babur/milgem with 8 harbah atm.

Combined with CM400AKG from air in a multi domain network centric defense/offense it will keep away
IN Battle Carrier groups led by INS Vikramaditya, 30 MiG29-K and
INS Vikrant, 30-35 MiG29-K, Rafael-M from Karachi and Gwadar.

Where SMASH 2 reports coming from?
If its puported range of 700-800 km is correct, it will be much longer if not wider and may not fit in the same tubes. Jinnah class?
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[Oscar]

These are all very practical considerations - my only complain is that too many questions have been asked in one go haha

Anyhow, the reason many members have been suggesting 1000 km range for own systems is probably stemming from the partial understanding regarding BrahMos-ER with 800 km range.

The reality as it stand currently is that these BrahMos-ER are reportedly still in final testing phase. The public timeline for their EOP for IN is 2027. They can proclaim all they want that the current operational BrahMos deployed by IN can become ER merely by a simple software upgrade to it's guidance system, however, I guess you and I both know it's not that simple and will require Ramjet upgrade as well as its fuel tank.

So the 800 km strike on Karachi isn't happening, at least not for another few years.

Even if we assume that the BrahMos-ER are fully operational as of this day, their practical use case still run into the same obstacles as mentioned by the considerations in your post. Given that Karachi is a stationary target and not a moving one they can guide their missiles through GPS but will run into our ADS. They may get a couple of strikes but that doesn't create any kind of superiority for them. For moving Naval targets their ER (even if assumed to be operational today) aren't practical yet because of the lack of Satellite Linked C2 Mesh on their end as well.

For their operational BrahMos at present, they'll have to launch it inside 450 km range, which is in range of our assets i.e. Subs, Harbah, SMASH, and F4. This is an assumption on my part but I think we have underdeclared range on SMASH by 75-100 km. In any case, as I have mentioned before, I think SMASH is enough deterrence against IN threat for next couple of years at least.

I'll try and address the considerations from your post and "think" - so will need some time haha but at a range of 1000 km I don't think anything will work without SATCOM, and even with SATCOM, we'll need a multiple tiered system and multiple nodes in those tiers for accurate target acquisition and guidance.

Not just Satcom - surveillance. Of which a large enough net is required including satellites that can provide that near constant updates.
The same is true for India as well, it needs to launch as many satellites as China to really be able to get effective targeting to those ranges.

If anything, Pakistan may have one opportunity which is to flood the civilian traffic net but guess which nationality actually has more sailors serving on all sorts of commercial and fishing traffic - it not Pakistan.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Pakistan Navy, please make the INS Vikrant to become the first aircraft carrier to be sunk in combat after WW2

 

[Liquidator]

Pakistan Navy, please make the INS Vikrant to become the first aircraft carrier to be sunk in combat after WW2

It won't be a big deal for the Indians, their naval cheif will say "losses are a part of war" and claim victory.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

It won't be a big deal for the Indians, their naval cheif will say "losses are a part of war" and claim victory.

Man, imagine their faces when asked about the sinking of their ship in a press conference

 

[Fatman17]

PN CONDUCTS SUCCESSFUL FLIGHT TEST OF SHIP LAUNCHED ANTI-SHIP BALLISTIC MISSILE

Pakistan Navy conducted a successful test flight of an indigenously developed ship launched Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile. The weapon system is capable of engaging sea as well as ground targets with high precision. The system is equipped with state of the art guidance and has advanced maneuverability features.

The flight test was witnessed by the Chief of the Naval Staff, senior scientists and engineers.

The successful flight test is a testimony to Pakistan's technological prowess and Pakistan Navy's unwavering commitment to safeguard national interests.

President, Prime Minister of Pakistan, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee and Services Chiefs congratulated participating units and scientists on this milestone achievement.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

PN CONDUCTS SUCCESSFUL FLIGHT TEST OF SHIP LAUNCHED ANTI-SHIP BALLISTIC MISSILE

Pakistan Navy conducted a successful test flight of an indigenously developed ship launched Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile. The weapon system is capable of engaging sea as well as ground targets with high precision. The system is equipped with state of the art guidance and has advanced maneuverability features.

The flight test was witnessed by the Chief of the Naval Staff, senior scientists and engineers.

The successful flight test is a testimony to Pakistan's technological prowess and Pakistan Navy's unwavering commitment to safeguard national interests.

President, Prime Minister of Pakistan, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee and Services Chiefs congratulated participating units and scientists on this milestone achievement.

so maybe they have upgraded the guidance system with newer seeker for improved accuracy? as well as mentioning of maneuverability means quasi ballistic?

 

[Fatman17]

so maybe they have upgraded the guidance system with newer seeker for improved accuracy? as well as mentioning of maneuverability means quasi ballistic?

Means Deadly

 

[hnn]

Not just Satcom - surveillance. Of which a large enough net is required including satellites that can provide that near constant updates.
The same is true for India as well, it needs to launch as many satellites as China to really be able to get effective targeting to those ranges.

Yes. The NavIC can't guide the missile to it's target, especially a moving one and India doesn't have enough LEOs to provide that tracking. This is where our partnership with China can help us albeit that's not always a guarantee.

If anything, Pakistan may have one opportunity which is to flood the civilian traffic net but guess which nationality actually has more sailors serving on all sorts of commercial and fishing traffic - it not Pakistan.

Maritime civilian networks are valueable source of ISR but again with a significant operational limit. They can mostly communicate the general location and expected direction of movement of the naval assets. So even for BrahMos-ER, for the next few years, India will require MPA/UAV and those assets have their limitations to be within 300 km of the targeted asset to provide accurate guidance (even shallower distance for UAV) - and at that range they can be located with own MPA/UAV, AEWACS, and targeted with UCAV/SAM/Jet Fighters (depending on the location).

So discounting even any electronic jamming to begin with, it's still a very difficult operation to target any PN asset with BrahMos-ER. The best they can do (with a high chance of success) for the next few years is to use ER as LAMs on Karachi and nearby areas (but then again with ER it makes more tactical sense to use IAF rather than IN). For any PN asset related strike it'll have to be some very well thought out and executed battle tactic.

I think SMASH's role would be to replace the CM-802 and probably to evolve into an SLBM (though I haven't given a proper thought to the feasibility of that yet). CM-302 is SS, and the domestic variant of Harbah is reported to have a range upto or beyond 500 km (again public info is very ambiguous). PN would most likely try to engage any IN threat close up so other services can be integrated into the defense as well.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Question: Is the hypersonic ballistic anti-ship missile option better than a subsonic cruise missile option?
Subsonic anti-ship cruise missiles are capable of hitting moving targets. A hypersonic ballistic missile could be used to hit ships docked in a port defeating shore-based anti-ballistic missile systems.

The most recent examples of large warships being sunk or damaged by anti-ship missiles have been through the use of cruise missiles.
The R-360 Neptune missile used by Ukraine against the Russian Black sea fleet has been successful sinking at least two Russian Navy warships; the guided missile cruiser Moskva and the salvage ship Kommuna.
On 23 August 2023 a land attack variant of the Neptune missile was used to destroy a S-400 missile system radar, deployed on Cape Tarkhanut in Crimea since 2016.
The R-360L extended range variant used for land attack has a range of 1000 km carrying a 260 kilogram warhead.

 

[hnn]

Where SMASH 2 reports coming from?
If its puported range of 700-800 km is correct, it will be much longer if not wider and may not fit in the same tubes. Jinnah class?

There are two considerations here that I'm aware of if a SMASH variant with 700-800 km range exists.

The recently tested YJ-21 with a reported range of 1500 km was test fired from a 9m deep VLS. So for a 700-800 km ranged SMASH the missile would be b/w 7-8m (?) - the size of SMASH displayed publicly was 7.5m but the range as displayed was 350 km (if I recall correctly) - I am assuming that the range on it is more than that.

However at 7.5m the missile length is already lengthier than the VLS available on Type 054A/P - so perhaps some form of bolted on Deck Launcher? China displayed a deck launcher for CM-401 at the Zhuhai Air Show in 2018. Type 054A/P has enough TWD to support upto 4 x such launchers (?) in addition to the standard armament already installed.

For Milgem it's TWD can perhaps allow for 2 x such additional launchers (?) - but there are also reports (unverified) that China has been modifying HQ-16 SAMs into ASBMs so they can be launched from the 7m deep VLS. Though it's not certain how credible this chatter is, and even if credible how feasible the modification is and what range it'll offer.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Question: Is the hypersonic ballistic anti-ship missile option better than a subsonic cruise missile option?
Subsonic anti-ship cruise missiles are capable of hitting moving targets. A hypersonic ballistic missile could be used to hit ships docked in a port defeating shore-based anti-ballistic missile systems.

The most recent examples of large warships being sunk or damaged by anti-ship missiles have been through the use of cruise missiles.
The R-360 Neptune missile used by Ukraine against the Russian Black sea fleet has been successful sinking at least two Russian Navy warships; the guided missile cruiser Moskva and the salvage ship Kommuna.
On 23 August 2023 a land attack variant of the Neptune missile was used to destroy a S-400 missile system radar, deployed on Cape Tarkhanut in Crimea since 2016.
The R-360L extended range variant used for land attack has a range of 1000 km carrying a 260 kilogram warhead.

Those "bulges " on this variant of the Neptune are supposed to house extra fuel.

New 'Bulged' Neptune Cruise Missile Variant Emerges In Ukraine

The new Neptune variant looks intended to slot in range-wise between older versions and the super-sized Long Neptune derivative.

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