Sudan Civil war 2023 - present

_Arabia_ said:
Ideally KSA and Egypt should/will have to intervene if this mess continues or intensifies.


Wagner soldiers burning alive anywhere in the Arab world is a welcome sight after their role in Syria.

Worrying that Israel is supporting both sides though.

As I wrote earlier, neither side is a good one nor a side that the average Sudanese wants to see or supports. The RSF is worse due to the likes of Abu Lulu but what is going on in Darfur for the past 40-50 years has little to do with RSF. It is a tribal/ethnic/fight for land and resources in nature. All parties are Muslim too and attacks are occurring from both sides.

I was watching many of the clips from Sudan and many clips were said to be RSF but in reality were the RSAF and vice versa. Both very ugly in nature and targeting women, children, civilians, enemy combatants etc.

It is a total mess like every civil war. Even more so when between two former close allies (until 2023) who were both involved in war crimes during the Al-Bashir era in Darfur.

Only in Sudan can 1 side, which was engaging in the same behavior (even worse) just a few years ago/decades ago, now be hailed/propagandized as some innocent lambs/party.

Two corrupt military strongmen fighting for the control of Sudan and hijacking the Sudanese people and Sudan as a whole.

No cure for disunity, stupidity and not learning from your mistakes. 20 coups since 1956 (independence) and numerous extremely bloody civil wars, North/South division (South Sudan appearing on the map in 2011) has not learned the Sudanese elites anything, it seems.

Tragic.
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When Sudan was relatively calm,it was a nice place. Khartoum was historically home to a Greek minority who loved the place. It was a place of Arab culture at the boundaries of "black" Africa. Sudan and Greece had traditionally good relations from what I've read and seen in documentaries. It's very to see all that destroyed. The western parts were always in turmoil,always tribal wars and civil wars and genocide. But seeing Khartoum suffering such damage and chaos is sad.
 
They kill Black Muslims like this baby because their skin is too dark. All in the name of Arab superiority.


Displacement camps: A Sudanese child recites the Quran
Despite his young age, he tries

Most people don't understand that many victims of this genocide are African Muslims.
 
Foinikas said:
When Sudan was relatively calm,it was a nice place. Khartoum was historically home to a Greek minority who loved the place. It was a place of Arab culture at the boundaries of "black" Africa. Sudan and Greece had traditionally good relations from what I've read and seen in documentaries. It's very to see all that destroyed. The western parts were always in turmoil,always tribal wars and civil wars and genocide. But seeing Khartoum suffering such damage and chaos is sad.
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Yes, indeed. I have never visited Sudan myself but I have relatives who have. The largest diaspora Sudanese community is found in KSA. Sudanese Arabic is close to Hejazi Arabic as well. A lot of people to people relations since ancient times. Impossible to not know a Sudanese person when living or growing up in KSA. See post 19.

Not aware of Greece-Sudan ties but interesting to have that perspective but as you have said a few times, Greek-Arab ties have historically (modern era) overall been close and historically even more so, as we also talked about before.

Eşbah said:
They kill Black Muslims like this baby because their skin is too dark. All in the name of Arab superiority.


Displacement camps: A Sudanese child recites the Quran
Despite his young age, he tries

Most people don't understand that many victims of this genocide are African Muslims.
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You do realize that the SAF is even more Sudanese Arab ethnically than RSF? Or the fact that the vast majority of most Sudanese Arabs are themselves Afro-Arabs naturally?

Not to mention that the various non-Arab ethnic groups in Darfur are all Arabized and use Arabic as a lingua franca to communicate with each other.

Outside of some radical elements of RSF, this has very little to do with race.

Race was a much bigger topic during earlier civil wars which led to the South/North divide.

Sudan and much of Africa is very tribal and animosity can simply not just be boiled down to skin color which is a very superficial, simplistic and wrong way to look at it.

I don't expect non-Arabs to know much about Sudan but it is what it is.

Nor is there any coordinated attempt even by RSF radicals to exterminate/genocide non-Arab speaking communities in Darfur. If that was the case far more than just 2500 civilians would have died recently in al-Fashir when the RSF control almost all of Darfur.



French News Agency "AFP":
Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, and the United States present a proposal that calls for imposing a ceasefire throughout Sudan for three months, with efforts to be made to bring the conflicting parties together in Jeddah for talks aimed at reaching a permanent peace agreement
 
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_Arabia_ said:
Yes, indeed. I have never visited Sudan myself but I have relatives who have. The largest diaspora Sudanese community is found in KSA. Sudanese Arabic is close to Hejazi Arabic as well. A lot of people to people relations since ancient times. Impossible to not know a Sudanese person when living or growing up in KSA. See post 19.

Not aware of Greece-Sudan ties but interesting to have that perspective but as you have said a few times, Greek-Arab ties have historically (modern era) overall been close and historically even more so, as we also talked about before.


You do realize that the SAF is even more Sudanese Arab ethnically than RSF? Or the fact that the vast majority of most Sudanese Arabs are themselves Afro-Arabs naturally?

Not to mention that the various non-Arab ethnic groups in Darfur are all Arabized and use Arabic as a lingua franca to communicate with each other.

Outside of some radical elements of RSF, this has very little to do with race.

Race was a much bigger topic during earlier civil wars which led to the South/North divide.

Sudan and much of Africa is very tribal and animosity can simply not just be boiled down to skin color which is a very superficial, simplistic and wrong way to look at it.

I don't expect non-Arabs to know much about Sudan but it is what it is.

Nor is there any coordinated attempt even by RSF radicals to exterminate/genocide non-Arab speaking communities in Darfur. If that was the case far more than just 2500 civilians would have died recently in al-Fashir when the RSF control almost all of Darfur.



French News Agency "AFP":
Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, and the United States present a proposal that calls for imposing a ceasefire throughout Sudan for three months, with efforts to be made to bring the conflicting parties together in Jeddah for talks aimed at reaching a permanent peace agreement
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I have problems understanding your posting. There's undeniable video evidence of an ongoing genocide. The victims are all Black Muslims while the perpetrators are all Arab supremacists. Yes, both are Sudanese and African to a certain degree but this doesn't negate the racist hierarchy within the Sudanese society. So, what's your point here?
 
Eşbah said:
I have problems understanding your posting. There's undeniable video evidence of an ongoing genocide. The victims are all Black Muslims while the perpetrators are all Arab supremacists. Yes, both are Sudanese and African to a certain degree but this doesn't negate the racism within the Sudanese society. So, what's your point here?
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There is no systematic genocide of any minority groups. Unless less than 10.000 casualties in 2.5 years of civil war constitutes genocide.

You are confusing recent events with the actual genocide (Darfur conflict 20 + years ago).

No, they are not all "Black Muslims", plenty of pro-SAF local Beggara Arabs were killed by RSF too.

My problem is your inaccurate framing of this being some kind of "race war" when that is not the case.

RSF is far less Arab Sudanese ethnically than the RSAF for starters and ethnic tensions in Darfur go back many decades if not centuries.

90% of all the victims in the current Sudanese civil war are Sudanese Arabs, not non-Arab "Black Muslim" minorities.

The whole "Black/African/focus on skin color" is also moronic in the first place as most Sudanese Arabs are Afro-Arabs.

I suggest talking with actual Sudanese people for them to confirm what I am saying.
 
Map updates on how RSF gained more land over the years.

December 2023
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June 2024
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Feb 2025
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October 2025
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The massacres that occurred in Darfur, committed by RSF elements, are remnants of local radical Janjawid militias previously created/funded by the Sudanese army and the Al-Bashir regime which both Al-Burhan and Hemedti were a key part of ironically.

Nevertheless 90% of all the victims in the current Sudanese civil war (ongoing since Spring 2023) are not non-Arab minorities but Arab-Sudanese from territories controlled by both RSAF and RSF.

But there is a huge ongoing propaganda by Zionists/anti-Muslims in the West to frame this as some kind of race/skin color thing (the whole Black Muslim victims (many propagandists have claimed them to be Christian when they are all Muslim and Arabized as well, full Arabic speakers too - in fact the many non-Arab ethnic groups in Darfur use Arabic as a lingua franca to communicate with each other as I wrote earlier) while the killers, victims etc. are all mostly Afro-Arabs (Black, Muslim and African).

Same thing was propagandized in large part during the North/South war.

When South gained independence in 2011, the South Sudan (with no Arabs in sight) is even worse off than Sudan and have itself been engaged in numerous civil wars, ethnic massacres etc. ever since 2011. So much for that propaganda of the past.

Point is that many parts of Africa are extremely tribal and this is the reason for most conflicts in Africa.

Worse genocides have occurred in Ethiopia in recent years (very little publicity) but since there is no Arabs to blame in the African context, far less is spoken about it by the usual Jew/Zionist-sponsored/anti-Muslim hordes online.

Very annoying framing but it is expected. Hollywood has done the same thing 24/7 since WW2 and the "birth" of Israel. This is done deliberately of course.

For this very same reason nobody is talking about SDF/Kurdish crimes against local Arabs in both Syria and Iraq. But when some rogue Arab/terrorist kills even 1-2 civilian non-Arabs it becomes front page news across the world. Of course I am overreacting here but the point should be clear.

American/Western authors/directors have made several documentaries about this and how Arabs/Muslims used to be portrayed in the Jewish-controlled Hollywood/Western media since the "birth" of Israel.

Here it was:



@The SC
 
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PakAl said:
Update:
Egypt, Turkey, Saudia, Qatar, Usa support the Sudanese army

UAE, Israel support the RSF

www.middleeasteye.net

Exclusive: Egypt and Turkey boost support for Sudan's army following RSF capture of el-Fasher

Sudanese Armed Forces coordinating with regional allies following atrocities by Rapid Support Forces in North Darfur and Kordofan
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net
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Chad supports (key ally) RSF too and pretty sure Wagner/Russia do as well. At least they did for a very, very long time.

Haftar did as well earlier but it seems that he has been reigned in with the prospect of Libya finding a political solution as well.

KSA and Egypt (UAE and USA ironically too - part of the quartet) are actively trying to broker peace. KSA did it once before in Sudan (after the fall of the Al-Bashir regime - which created most of the problems today) but both parties broke this when they (Al-Burhan) made a coup in 2021 against the transitional council as I covered earlier in this thread.

KSA already brokered the 30 + years old "cold war" between Ethiopia and Eritrea.

Extensive KSA-Egypt (we are the direct neighbors of Sudan and have the most influence politically on the ground - closest relatives to Sudanese people too in every sphere) military meetings have taken place in recent weeks connected to the situation in Sudan.

Ongoing military exercises too:



"Saudi Ministry of Defense:

Launch of "Red Wave 8" exercises with international participation to bolster Red Sea security and protect vital maritime passages, in affirmation of Saudi Arabia's pivotal role in safeguarding energy security and global trade stability."

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Ideally someone, somehow, will be able to reign in Abu Dhabi and MbZ. They have gone rogue. In fact it was already seen during their destructive role in Yemen when they began supporting the Southern separatists weakening KSA/Yemeni government attempts at unifying Yemeni ranks.

Bin Zayed (the father) was such a good and well-respected Arab leader across the entire Arab and Muslim world. How his son/UAE could take such a turn for the worse, is hard to explain and it pains me, because the average Emirati (which is a brotherly people regardless of their rulers) does not support such policies. But they (regime in power) are the darling of the Jews/West/have great ties with even Russia and China, so hard to do something.

Again, in a perfect world, KSA would annex/merge with all of those small GCC states, but nobody would want to see such a country turn into the richest in natural resources overnight (even richer than Russia).

This was already the case 35 years ago when Saddam invaded Kuwait. Nobody in the West cared about Kuwait the country but they were afraid of Saddam conquering all of Eastern Arabia and controlling most of the world's oil, gas and some of the most strategic trade/sea routes.

Everyone involved in Sudan is also in it to gain favors with the winning party because Sudan has the most fertile land in the Muslim world and is a country rich in resources and will have a huge population in the future like most Arab countries. It sits strategically too connecting various parts of Africa (North, Sahel, Horn of Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa going south towards South Sudan). Not to mention the very strategic Red Sea. Before the North/South split, Sudan was the largest African country too.
 
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@Musings @Mr X

Can you take a look at trolls in this thread (@Kyussis in particular and the above user - both of them Iranains) and their trolling (by giving laughing emojis to posts that contain zero trolling from my part but are long and informative posts based on facts on the ground)?

I don't engage/talk to any of them.

Very annoying behavior. It is like they are desperate for my attention but they cannot argue their case/disprove of anything that I wrote. They are doing it in several threads.

I also believe that it is against forum rules.

I don't engage with Arab-obsessed trolls like those two/react to personal attacks any longer (not going to waste my time). As you both can confirm and see on my user history for the past half year or so.
 
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