Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

We need to think longterm here. If the SDF cultists (for now) can be confined to Al-Hasakah alone mostly and be cut off from the rest of Syria, after their SDF cult project, which was in the works for 10 + years, went up largely in smoke within a few days, that should be celebrated for now given what the situation looked like just 10 days ago.

Consolidate the new gains fully and in a permanent manner while steadily building up to retake Al-Hasakah which is home to a very large Arab and Assyrian community. It is, if I recall, also the main area of the Armenian community in Syria. We are talking about a province of around 2 million people.

Most of the province borders Al-Nineveh province which is majority Iraqi Sunni Arab. The same people like in East Syria and the same Arab clans and tribes.

You have Turkiye in the north as well that should actively help prevent any stupidity from emerging (SDF cultistan or something similar).

US pressure should be dealt with by Arab allies and Turkiye. Zionist daydreams of an imaginary corridor composed of some imaginary Druze entity/country (people forget that Druze are Arabs - Southern Syrian Arabs - it is a religion that they have turned into an imaginary ethnicity - similar to how they do with Christian Arabs in Jordan and Syria (who are mostly of pure ancient Arab stock - often Bedouin going back to the Lakhmid kingdoms and Palmyrene Empire or predating them) that is being linked to an imaginary "Kurdish entity", is IMO just that, daydreams. It has no historical, demographical, political etc. support. Not even US direct military intervention can impose this reality long-term.

From what I am aware of and recall, Damascus has already proposed the Kurds an autonomy (some degree at least) in Al-Hasakah province and they have, unlike the Al-Assad regime, acknowledged the Kurdish language and even the existence of Kurds which until recently was not even the case under the Al-Assad regime.

They cannot ask for more given their realities in Turkiye next door and Iran. BTW this game can also be played the other way around, give the local Arabs, Assyrians and others autonomy in Al-Hasakah, let alone in KRG in Iraq where almost 50% of the population is non-Kurdish and this number is only increasing each month.

BTW just to make it completely clear, I have absolutely nothing against non-hostile Kurds. They have been a community in the Arab world for a very long time and been intermarrying to various degrees with Arab communities near them. Even Saladin's (ra) family (Arab-Kurdish mixture during his time) and descendants mostly live in KSA, Jordan and Syria for a reason. As have other prominent Kurdish historical families.


Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) reportedly had a Kurdish mother for instance.


In many ways, the Kurds of Iraq, Syria and the wider Arab world are Kurdish/Arab mixtures which DNA and ancestry also confirm. The local Kurds in Syria even wear Arab traditional attire often and it is hard to distinguish at times.

All I can say that people in KSA have only known historical Kurdish families that settled in Arabia in the past 1400 + years and those Kurdish Hajis throughout the past 1400 + years that have ended up settling and intermarried and now are a part of the society and part of us like any other community.

Whatever grievances Kurds can rightly or wrongly have with Arabs, those are mostly aimed at the Arabs of Syria, Iraq and Turkey (and possibly even the Arabs of Iran). Anything else makes no sense.

Al-Sharaa and Damascus is well aware of all this which is why they have always reached out their hands to the Kurds in Syria that make up around 5% of the Syrian population.

I am not a Syrian so it is not for me to decide but if I am Al-Sharaa I would offer the Kurds in Al-Hasakah, if not autonomy, at least a large degree of self-rule, provided that they will remain loyal to Damascus and respect the territorial integrity of Syria.
No, we cannot give them autonomy what so ever, they represent a very small fraction of the total population, why on earth would we give them that? Especially when most of Hasakah province is majority Arab, what sense would that make? The Kurds are only the biggest group around Qimishli city, Ayn Al-Arab city (Kobane) and some surrounding villages, and those still have large Arab populations too. These are two very small enclaves separated by a huge distance, we're not giving them an entire autonomous province where the majority has always been Arabs just to appease them.

And the worst part of doing that, is that now every small minority community will demand the same. You set the precedent of giving them autonomy, then you'll soon have the Alawites and Druze fighting for it too, and maybe the Christians. We won't have a functioning country if all minority groups had an autonomous region of their own, we'll forever be balkanized and weak if that happens. That was never going to be an option.

The Kurds have had grievances with the previous Syrian regime because Assad's Baathist was explicitly focused on the Arab identity as a core defining feature, they were pan-Arab socialists, not because the Syrian people themselves wanted to mistreat them. That regime is gone, and now they will have the same rights, and a few extra ones too, where they will be treated as equal citizens, in addition to officially acknowledging their rights to their language, culture and identity, as well as the other special accommodations that were agreed to yesterday.

This entire fight is against the SDF/YPG terrorist and their very foreign cultish ideology, they claim to be fighting for Kurdish rights and independence, but really they are only using it as an excuse to justify their own power and greed over the areas they control.
 
No, we cannot give them autonomy what so ever, they represent a very small fraction of the total population, why on earth would we give them that? Especially when most of Hasakah province is majority Arab, what sense would that make? The Kurds are only the biggest group around Qimishli city, Ayn Al-Arab city (Kobane) and some surrounding villages, and those still have large Arab populations too. These are two very small enclaves separated by a huge distance, we're not giving them an entire autonomous province where the majority has always been Arabs just to appease them.

And the worst part of doing that, is that now every small minority community will demand the same. You set the precedent of giving them autonomy, then you'll soon have the Alawites and Druze fighting for it too, and maybe the Christians. We won't have a functioning country if all minority groups had an autonomous region of their own, we'll forever be balkanized and weak if that happens. That was never going to be an option.

The Kurds have had grievances with the previous Syrian regime because Assad's Baathist was explicitly focused on the Arab identity as a core defining feature, they were pan-Arab socialists, not because the Syrian people themselves wanted to mistreat them. That regime is gone, and now they will have the same rights, and a few extra ones too, where they will be treated as equal citizens, in addition to officially acknowledging their rights to their language, culture and identity, as well as the other special accommodations that were agreed to yesterday.

This entire fight is against the SDF/YPG terrorist and their very foreign cultish ideology, they claim to be fighting for Kurdish rights and independence, but really they are only using it as an excuse to justify their own power and greed over the areas they control.
I am talking about autonomy in the sense of giving them political representation, provided, as I wrote, that they are aligned with Damascus. I am well aware of the demographics of Syria as you have seen (probably) in this thread already. Nevertheless Kurds remain the largest non-Arab minority ethnic group in Syria and by large, ordinary Syrian Kurds, are heavily connected with the Syrian Arabs that they live next door to, many having intermarried with Arabs (mostly Arab males marrying Kurdish females) throughout the centuries. Syrian Kurds for instance have very little to do with Iranian Kurds. Even the language (dialects) they speak are completely different.

My points about Kurds was more about the SDF being a cult and not overly representative of the ordinary Syrian Kurd who is largely a conservative Muslim. In many ways Kurdish practices (cultural in many ways) are more conservative than that of Arabs in Syria and Iraq. No need to mention female circumcision (almost exclusively Kurdish origin in nature in Syria and Iraq), honor killings etc.

The idea that many of them are trying to create in the West of them being more progressive, is just that, a delusion not based on actual historical or ground realities. There is a reason why they have never had a Kurdistan in their history even once or cannot even unite despite inhabiting a largely small geography historically. The name itself means nomad. They never had a settled civilization of note to begin with which explains the lack of statehood. So the idea of their "progressivism" is just that, nonsense. They were historically, aside from a few dynasties that can be counted on 1 hand, confined to small tribal mountain villages in the Zagros mountains mostly for a reason.

Rest we completely agree with, in fact, I am sure that you agree with what I wrote above as well, aside from the misunderstanding about autonomy. I meant/should have been more clear that I meant autonomy in the sense of having people aligned with Damascus representing the Kurdish community. Not in the sense of creating another KRG (Barzanistan).

BTW, can you tell me, given the demographics of Eastern Syria, how come it was possible for the SDF to control such a large landmass of Syria that was/is mostly inhabited by Syrian Sunni Arabs? How do we explain this dynamic, other than the Arab clans and tribes joining forces (by large) against ISIS and other cults, and this way aligning with Kurds (and everyone else in Eastern Syria) as well?

There are many theories of how the SDF emerged. PKK, US creation, temporary Arab-Kurdish alliance against the Al-Assad regime in Damascus and ISIS, some Arab tribes and clans opportunism and greed (wanting to rule their own fiefdoms outside of Damascus control) etc.

What is your take of this? Because to me, even though as I wrote, I stopped following events in East Syria closely many years ago, only started doing that more often again when the criminal Al-Assad regime was left in the dustbin of history, it was always painfully clear to me that there was very little support for the SDF among the ordinary Syrian Arabs in East Syria. I always looked at it as another unnatural cult project in the region that (as often has been the case) was aimed at Arabs to undermine us further and divide our countries even further.

EDIT: Notice how quite the Iranian users here are (usually they were very obsessed about Syria until not long ago - we all know why, LOL). So much for their nonsense about being anti-Zionists (only in relation to Zionists policies towards Iran - for all they care - the Zionists can create havoc in the Arab world, against Turkiye etc.).

Just wanted to make it painfully obvious and clear for anyone that has any delusions about the usual Iranian regime supporter/nationalist. Most of them want nothing good to occur for Arabs and Turks as a whole or any other regional rival. So they are not genuine in their desire to rid the region off Zionist plots.

Same story in Yemen, I don't see them supporting the removal of an obvious Zionist/Abu Dhabi trojan horse (STC) either. Silence in Somalia and Sudan too.

All while the UAE officially lays claim on their territory. Not any other of the 20 + Arab countries.

A pattern seems to emerge.

They are of course within their rights to do whatever they want to, but I don't want to hear their nonsense of them being the "only ones" (utter historical nonsense, until 1979 they were the main allies of Israel in the region since the very beginning - a huge amount of their people are the biggest Zionist supporters and sellouts to the West and in general culture wise in the region by far - no competition really - not even radical Arab Atheists have such low self-esteem and delusion to go this low), that are somehow combating Israel/Zionists.

To date they have killed, what, 35 Israelis in direct combat (LOL) and yet they dare to compare themselves with what Arabs have done to Israel and Israelis since 1948. Let alone the West.

Arabs in Algeria alone have killed more Westerners than Iranians in all of their recorded history, let alone rest of Arabs.

That clown Zarif (an actual high ranking Mullah official) and his delusion of doing more for Palestine than Arabs, is a good representation of their deluded/false mindset. No disrespect to the sane Iranians here or Iranians who can see the hypocrisy and call it out.
 
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Recep Tayyip Erdoğan​

All the states we have established throughout history have been built on the rejection of racism.Today, when we speak of the “Turkish-Kurdish-Arab alliance,” we are acting in line with this understanding that we have inherited from our ancestors and our glorious history.
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US military convoy withdraws from Hasakah now
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It appears that American forces are beginning to withdraw from the Hasakah region of Syria and are repositioning themselves towards Iraq in preparation for handing over the entire area to Syrian command forces in Damascus.
 
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Recep Tayyip Erdoğan​

All the states we have established throughout history have been built on the rejection of racism.Today, when we speak of the “Turkish-Kurdish-Arab alliance,” we are acting in line with this understanding that we have inherited from our ancestors and our glorious history.
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It appears that American forces are beginning to withdraw from the Hasakah region of Syria and are repositioning themselves towards Iraq in preparation for handing over the entire area to Syrian command forces in Damascus.

Trump admin and Turkey are on the same page in this development. Trump wants to see a unified Syria under Syrian President Ahmad al-Sharaa and the SDF have no choice but to disband now. Turkish interests are accommodated in this strategic calculus.

Post in thread 'Turkey Syria - News & Updates' https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/turkey-syria-news-updates.16235/post-1107995
 
Former Israeli Defence Minister Avigdor Lieberman:

What happened in Syria? We replaced the Assad regime with an Al-Qaeda regime. Instead of Iranians, the Turks arrived and are installing equipment. No one asked us about supplying F-35s to Türkiye. Together with the Turkish arrival in Gaza, this has dramatically changed the regional balance of power.

Therefore, the government must be replaced as soon as possible.

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Zionist infighting over Syria.

These Iranians and zio’s are pushing the same narrative when it comes to middle east and specifically Syria. That’s interesting to say the least.
 
Turkish buffer zone will be given back to Syria government. The only major issue is down south, will Syrian puppet government take back the Golan Heights and other territory from Israel. ISIS prisoners is also a big question mark, will the ISIS operatives be allowed to join their pals in the new Syrian army.
They don’t have the ability to take it back anymore than bashar did at best best they can beg the Americans to have them leave their new “buffer” zone unless jolani does an extreme 180 and decides to go up against Israel it’s not happening turkey isn’t going to fight Israel anytime soon or ever it’s not in their interest only one reason if turkey ever actually derided to go toe to toe with Israel is if Israel miscalculated and killed a large amount of Turkish troops “accidentally”.
Yeah not a big fan of jolani but honestly he’s not invading the golan heights anytime soon unless he decides to go underground building access points for large amounts of troops like Hezbollah and Hamas did I really don’t see that happening.
Not going to lie though a red dawn situation would be awesome thousands upon thousands of troops coming in from passenger planes converted for paratroopers coming in from many Arab “friendly” countries while a mass artillery attack is unleashed from Arab forces and thousands more pouring in from different borders……..fan fiction but I think if I didn’t have so many grammatical issues I could write the biggest box office success of Arab and Muslim cinemas ever
 
The Iranian Genius strategists a few years backs.

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Enjoying the fruits of their labour today.

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So I’m happily married to a cute but hella annoying hijabi but I do notice this and I’m fairly sure most you guys noticed this but damn cute right
 
I am talking about autonomy in the sense of giving them political representation, provided, as I wrote, that they are aligned with Damascus. I am well aware of the demographics of Syria as you have seen (probably) in this thread already. Nevertheless Kurds remain the largest non-Arab minority ethnic group in Syria and by large, ordinary Syrian Kurds, are heavily connected with the Syrian Arabs that they live next door to, many having intermarried with Arabs (mostly Arab males marrying Kurdish females) throughout the centuries. Syrian Kurds for instance have very little to do with Iranian Kurds. Even the language (dialects) they speak are completely different.

My points about Kurds was more about the SDF being a cult and not overly representative of the ordinary Syrian Kurd who is largely a conservative Muslim. In many ways Kurdish practices (cultural in many ways) are more conservative than that of Arabs in Syria and Iraq. No need to mention female circumcision (almost exclusively Kurdish origin in nature in Syria and Iraq), honor killings etc.

The idea that many of them are trying to create in the West of them being more progressive, is just that, a delusion not based on actual historical or ground realities.

Rest we completely agree with, in fact, I am sure that you agree with what I wrote above as well, aside from the misunderstanding about autonomy. I meant/should have been more clear that I meant autonomy in the sense of having people aligned with Damascus representing the Kurdish community. Not in the sense of creating another KRG (Barzanistan).

BTW, can you tell me, given the demographics of Eastern Syria, how come it was possible for the SDF to control such a large landmass of Syria that was/is mostly inhabited by Syrian Sunni Arabs? How do we explain this dynamic, other than the Arab clans and tribes joining forces (by large) against ISIS and other cults, and this way aligning with Kurds (and everyone else in Eastern Syria) as well?

There are many theories of how the SDF emerged. PKK, US creation, temporary Arab-Kurdish alliance against the Al-Assad regime in Damascus and ISIS, some Arab tribes and clans opportunism and greed (wanting to rule their own fiefdoms outside of Damascus control) etc.

What is your take of this? Because to me, even though as I wrote, I stopped following events in East Syria closely many years ago, only started doing that more often again when the criminal Al-Assad regime was left in the dustbin of history, it was always painfully clear to me that there was very little support for the SDF among the ordinary Syrian Arabs in East Syria. I always looked at it as another unnatural cult project in the region that (as often has been the case) was aimed at Arabs to undermine us further and divide our countries even further.

EDIT: Notice how quite the Iranian users here are (usually they were very obsessed about Syria until not long ago - we all know why, LOL). So much for their nonsense about being anti-Zionists (only in relation to Zionists policies towards Iran - for all they care - the Zionists can create havoc in the Arab world, against Turkiye etc.).

Just wanted to make it painfully obvious and clear for anyone that has any delusions about the usual Iranian regime supporter/nationalist. Most of them want nothing good to occur for Arabs and Turks as a whole or any other regional rival. So they are not genuine in their desire to rid the region off Zionist plots.

Same story in Yemen, I don't see them supporting the removal of an obvious Zionist/Abu Dhabi trojan horse (STC) either. Silence in Somalia and Sudan too.

A pattern seems to emerge.
Ah ok, yes we mostly agree then, but your definition of autonomy is very different than what it actually implies. Probably not the right word to use there.

SDF is a creation of the YPG, which is itself undeniably an outgrowth of the PKK that (the Turkish group). Many of their original leaders were long time PKK people, and their initial ideology from the very beginning was transplanted from the PKK. YPG was basically the Syrian arm of the PKK.

They then rebranded into the SDF to seem more palatable to the local Arab majority population and the international sponsors that were supporting them. But the YPG/PKK always maintained authority and control over the organization, and pushed their extreme ideology on the locals and areas they control, even when no one wanted any part of that crap and was completely foreign to them.

Did the US create them, or push them to rebrand from the YPG to a more marketable and inclusive Syrian Democratic Forces? I've heard the same stuff but I'm not sure to be honest. Seems possible, or they just decided themselves that this move would be better for PR and international recognition and support. Not sure.

After ISIS invaded, many local Arabs and tribesmen joined the YPG as an established organized group ready and willing to add them and fight ISIS. Even though the majority of the SDF lower ranks were Arab by the end of the ISIS fight, the hardcore Kurdish YPG/PKK elements maintained firm control over the group. Once ISIS was done, many stayed because the group gained favour and recognition with the US and international actors, along with a ton of funding and most importantly protection. Assad wouldn't dare fight them with US airforce behind their back, they tried once with Russian mercenaries in Deir Ezzor and the US absolutely slaughtered them. They never dared to do anything against SDF after that again. If the tribes/Arab fighters broke off from the SDF after the ISIS fight was over, they would've been attacked by Assad and Russian airforce and probably suffered the same fate as most other rebel groups, they wouldn't have lasted.

They maintained power over that region because anytime locals protested or opposed them, they were immediately put down by force, just like Assad did. They imprisoned and killed thousands that didn't accept their rule, and they had ideologically aligned Kurdish units do a lot of the dirty work to impose their will and rule. It's very similar to how Assad maintained power in Syria for decades, despite his Alawite community only making up like 10% of the population.

Iran's incursion into Syria was obviously to save their allied Assad regime and to maintain and expand their power in the region, and link to Hezbollah. But I think they also oppose Israel/Zionists, and have done quite a lot against them, more than any other Arab or Muslim nation recently, I don't think it's all just an act. But, it's also true that they are very opportunistic and have been using that excuse to expand their reach and influence in the region, both can be true at the same time.

In Syria specifically however, it came at such great cost to our country and people, that they damaged their reputation with us and the Sunni world beyond repair. It made it clear to everyone their priority is always to expand their power, even if it means killing and destroying an entire country and ruining the lives of millions of Muslims and subjecting them to endless terror and oppression, it didn't matter to them. So ya in general, I agree they don't really care about Arabs or Muslims that much unless they're Shia, but I think they genuine do oppose and hate Israel too.
 
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The PKK is actively inciting ethnic conflict through brutal and uncivilized practices, including the torture and ethnic cleansing of Arab civilians in Hasaka.
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Tomorrow at 7:00 in the morning, Kurdish youth from the city of Sulaymaniyah in the Kurdistan Region will head towards Rojava.
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Kurds in the city of Sulaymaniyah, in the so-called Kurdistan Region of Iraq, are threatening to go to Syria.

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Meanwhile SDF leaders are smuggling their families from Hasakah to Iraq.
 
These from Peace Spring are on their way to Hasake as well from Tel tamr

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Correction: The footage referenced above was filmed in the Sarin area of Eastern Aleppo. In a provocative move intended to incite discord and undermine social cohesion between Arabs and Kurds, gangs affiliated with Qandil reportedly insulted and assaulted young Arab men. The incident was filmed and shared on social media, in what appears to be a deliberate attempt to sow division among the region’s communities

Where are the oppressors whom we trampled beneath our feet?

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These Iranians and zio’s are pushing the same narrative when it comes to middle east and specifically Syria. That’s interesting to say the least.
What I alluded to earlier. Both have demonstrated that they share the exact same goal. The weakening of national states (one through proxies the other through secessionists in cohesion with the Abu Dhabi regime).

@Haz

Yes, I should have specified what I meant with autonomy from the first post on. Otherwise we are in full agreement again.

I disagree, the Mullah regime have only used those legitimate (in many ways) Arab movements as a buffer against Israel/US intervention. No other reason. Any attacks on Israel (35 Israelis killed to this date despite 47 years of barking), only occurred AFTER Israel carpet bombed them and embarrassed them for all to see.

One just needs to study history, including history since 1979 and 1948 respectively. The pattern of behavior becomes very clear. In short, both those regimes and entities have never been and are not friendly or positives for the wider Arab and Muslim world. You cleverly state this yourself from the Syrian perspective where they no doubt did enormous harm to Syria and Syrians.

Had they instead tried to work with Arabs since 1979, in order to combat Zionists, without causing opportunistic mischief, using proxies, terrorists etc. in order to weaken respective Arab states and the long list of mischief in general, they would have far bigger support today than they have. Now it is just a question of time before they will be dealt another blow or a definitive one.

In short, they have not been a positive actor in the region, far from it, and they have "enjoyed" the consequences of that since 1979 and will "enjoy" it further in the future..

Now this above does not change the fact that an unstable Iran and some large war/conflict in the region is a negative thing and obviously this is also why KSA, Qatar, Turkey and others have told the US, that they are staying out of this. Which is the right thing to do. But there is a reason why you don't see a single Muslim country that is willing to stand up for that regime. I doubt that we would see a similar situation if say KSA, Turkey or Pakistan was attacked by Israel and the US.
 
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The Syrian Arab Army has gained control of the town of Sarin south of the city of Ayn al-Arab.

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Raising the Syrian flag on the Khabur Dam (Euphrates) south of the city of Al-Hasakah.

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They have entered deep into Al-Hasakah province.

Looks like the goal and operation is about restoring full Syrian sovereignty. Excellent.

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Local Arab collaborators/traitors with the SDF cult, will have a hard time.

https://x.com/Omar_Madaniah/status/2013564554987421735

Map of developments from earlier today, subject to change later today:

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