Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[PakAl]

Civil war by definition it happens between citizens of the country. This last two weeks few nationals are involved in it. It is the Battlefield between Israel, US, Turkey and Iran in second instance.

Iran Russia are kicked out. The parties involved now are Usa Saudi Arabia Turkey Qatar and Israel. It's civil war because even though outsiders are making them fight but it's Syrian who are spilling blood.

 

[Lulldapull]

But the sheep here were shouting "Assad dictator,he gill the Sunnah beoble...oooh no respect for mosque!"

Most of those sheep are false flaggers.

 

[Foinikas]

Most of those sheep are false flaggers.

They are misled people and Ertugrul fans or "panislamists" from Western countries. They want strict sharia law and conservative rule for Muslim countries,while they enjoy the freedoms,income and tolerance of the "evil" West.

 

[tower9]

Your adversary is using all the tools of warfare

You talk of trade and economy only, as if that's the equivalent response


In fact, the more you develop less likely you are to fight directly, you won't mind others fighting for you , you have more to lose

But if it's a fight that's at your doorstep then at some point you fight or run

That's what I am trying to suggest to @UKBengali

I’m pretty sure the people in Beijing understand this. They aren’t investing hundreds of billions into a huge military for nothing. The time is coming. I don’t think there was much they could’ve done in Syria and it would’ve been stupid trying to keep Assad in power when he was unpopular with his people and his army gave up fighting.

 

[Tamerlane]

I’m not sure if people have read all the posts in this thread or not. There has been evidence presented for the following:

1. Assad was negotiating with US-Israel to dump Iran in return for staying in power.

2. Russia had a deal to allow Israel to bomb Syria. Russia is almost as Zionist as the US. Most of the bloodthirstiest Jews in Israel are Russians and they maintain good relations with Putin, especially the Jewish Russian oligarchs.

Basically, both Assad and Russia were ready to throw Iran under the bus. However, the rebels came and took over before that happened.

All the parties involved in Syria are as bad as anyone else. Here’s a rating of evil:

1. Most evil: Israel
2: Evil: Russia, US
3. Mixture of good and bad: Turkey, Iran
4. Victims: People of Syria

To say that one combination is better or worse than the other is not right. Of the choices available what the people of Syria decided should be accepted by everyone.

 

[Flotilla]

Iran Russia are kicked out. The parties involved now are Usa Saudi Arabia Turkey Qatar and Israel. It's civil war because even though outsiders are making them fight but it's Syrian who are spilling blood.

I think nowadays it is just viceversa.
Curiously the Regime fall, the Rais went out, asked cooperation to the former administration, and there are US backed forces (US themselves also) and israelis invading or taking territories. So day after day it is less civil and more conventional war.

 

[tower9]

Yes, that is what I am seeing in the Middle East disputes. They are all at each other's throats so that Israel becomes the DeFacto judge, jury and executioner. This Iran Vs. Turkey Vs. Arab rivalry seems incomprehensible to me.

Iran was the only country with balls to defy Israel and actually strike back. Turkey and the Arab states confront everyone else in the region but when israel does something they look away.

 

[tower9]

I’m not sure if people have read all the posts in this thread or not. There has been evidence presented for the following:

1. Assad was negotiating with US-Israel to dump Iran in return for staying in power.

2. Russia had a deal to allow Israel to bomb Syria. Russia is almost as Zionist as the US. Most of the bloodthirstiest Jews in Israel are Russians and they maintain good relations with Putin, especially the Jewish Russian oligarchs.

Basically, both Assad and Russia were ready to throw Iran under the bus. However, the rebels came and took over before that happened.

All the parties involved in Syria are as bad as anyone else. Here’s a rating of evil:

1. Most evil: Israel
2: Evil: Russia, US
3. Mixture of good and bad: Turkey, Iran
4. Victims: People of Syria

To say that one combination is better or worse than the other is not right. Of the choices available what the people of Syria decided should be accepted by everyone.

Haven’t heard about Russia allowing Israel to bomb Syria but Israel was already bombing Syria, so not sure what’s so revealing about that.

Assad did distance himself from Iran over the past year mainly due to influence from the UAE. He basically also gave up on governance and just didn’t want to play dictator anymore. Can’t blame him really.

 

[Tamerlane]

Iran was the only country with balls to defy Israel and actually strike back. Turkey and the Arab states confront everyone else in the region but when israel does something they look away.

The Chinese seem to be very eager for Muslim countries to fight with the US and bring it down so that China can become the new boss. Muslims have been fighting the US for the last 35 years and lost over 10 million people. During that time China has been enjoying peace allowing it go develop. If the US was making war on China for that period of time Chinese people would still be wearing Mao suits and riding bicycles.

To keep insulting Muslims is not a good idea. Like the saying goes, to the victor belong the spoils. After Muslims have brought down this monster at enormous loss of life and wealth then they will be the new boss, not China. China’s role will be to produce goods and stay quiet.

 

[tower9]

The Chinese seem to be very eager for Muslim countries to fight with the US and bring it down so that China can become the new boss. Muslims have been fighting the US for the last 35 years and lost over 10 million people. During that time China has been enjoying peace allowing it go develop. If the US was making war on China for that period of time Chinese people would still be wearing Mao suits and riding bicycles.

To keep insulting Muslims is not a good idea. Like the saying goes, to the victor belong the spoils. After Muslims have brought down this monster at enormous loss of life and wealth then they will be the new boss, not China. China’s role will be to produce goods and stay quiet.

China has never goaded Muslims to fight the US. That is hallucination.

The US embroiling itself in the Middle East has given China room to develop, though that ran out during trumps first term. But that’s the stupidity of the US ruling class, not China.

 

[Lulldapull]

They are misled people and Ertugrul fans or "panislamists" from Western countries. They want strict sharia law and conservative rule for Muslim countries,while they enjoy the freedoms,income and tolerance of the "evil" West.

Bhai this Trump has already announced the day he enters office he's goin deport a million and break all historic records on deportation. In many speeches he's said that I've got your facial recognition vidz and your cell phone records putting you at the scene of Gaza/ immigration/ US policy protests and that your online postings are evidence enough of your support of Jihadiism/ anti patriotic agitation. And the loyalty tests are 100% coming......including the rescinding of birthright citizenship.

He's boasted that there are thousands in ICE/ NSA/ CINS who are loyal to him and they got the goods on millions.

In a month or so it is goin get real ugly in the US and this shit will carry over to the EU in no time. Trump will totally use his executive powers and freely use the Patriot act for mass deportations.

Shukar khuda ka I don't live in the west. I thank my lucky stars everyday, I made my money I got the hell out of the rat race.......

Good luck to everybody out west.

 

[Foinikas]

Syria before democracy and freedom

 

[r3alist]

I’m pretty sure the people in Beijing understand this. They aren’t investing hundreds of billions into a huge military for nothing. The time is coming. I don’t think there was much they could’ve done in Syria and it would’ve been stupid trying to keep Assad in power when he was unpopular with his people and his army gave up fighting.

Thank you, good response

But then there are some reasonable questions to ask, which are what is china grand strategy on confronting this, it might not be direct war, I am not sure

The west strategy is clear

Why is it the longer we see inertness from China we cannot ask.... ok whats their thinking, in the last 5 year's wow humongous change...it's consequential to BRICS bro



I know that you said they have a huge military not for nothing, it's also a deterrence the bigger and better it is


Now what's the sun Tzu quote on the best way to win a war

Finally, I did not propose China to have boots on the ground, straw man argument.

But just interesting they don't want impact COMMENSURATE TO THEIR SUPERPOWER STATUS

Happy to watch the world change around them.

 

[Vi-va]

I’m pretty sure the people in Beijing understand this. They aren’t investing hundreds of billions into a huge military for nothing. The time is coming. I don’t think there was much they could’ve done in Syria and it would’ve been stupid trying to keep Assad in power when he was unpopular with his people and his army gave up fighting.

Totally agree with you. Some people just have no clue on China, China knew very well what's international order and how to act accordingly.

 

[tower9]

Thank you, good response

But then there are some reasonable questions to ask, which are what is china grand strategy on confronting this, it might not be direct war, I am not sure

The west strategy is clear

Why is it the longer we see inertness from China we cannot ask.... ok whats their thinking, in the last 5 year's wow humongous change...it's consequential to BRICS bro



I know that you said they have a huge military not for nothing, it's also a deterrence the bigger and better it is


Now what's the sun Tzu quote on the best way to win a war

Finally, I did not propose China to have boots on the ground, straw man argument.

But just interesting they don't want impact COMMENSURATE TO THEIR SUPERPOWER STATUS

Happy to watch the world change around them.

I don’t think that’s an accurate understanding of what China is doing. But refer to what I said about Taiwan. China isn’t investing billions into military modernization for nothing.