Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation
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AZADPAKISTAN2009
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Agree , USA is not European Catholics or religion , it is under influence of different group
- Decision making is done by it above government , physical structure visible to citizens
This group's biggest war is with Russia and now possibly China
For regional position / land
Mode of war is , arm 3-4 groups in region and let them fight and simultaneously support all of them
- Operation in Syria took about 10 to 15 years , to gradually grow and nurture these 4-5 groups
- Phase 2 Provide heavy weaponry in limited number
Pakistan is almost looks like Syria of 1970, we also have these factions being nurtured around border areas since year 2000's, near afghan border
- Al Qaeda
- BLA
- TTP
- Remnants of ISI
- At one point we also had some Central Asian mercenaries
The implosion of Government 2 years ago , and political limbo is further destroying trust between Army and People , similar to how it was done in Syria
Pakistan's government , is becoming more and more like the next Al Bashar regime
The viral videos of prisoners and beating are also distancing people away from Government
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hyperman
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Hey Guys remember when Hassan Nasrallah and Hezbollah supported the overthrow of Gaddafi? lol
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FHN
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Why do u blame it entirely on the West. U support regime change in Libya and Syria. U get what u deserve bro lol victim blaming is not gonna fix anything. My best advice is stop fighting war and start building up your country national power only then can u truly break away from western hegemony. U see Vietnamese still crying to this day about Americans? No they don't. SAA is a good prime example of no money no fight.Read your post again. You posted pictures of destroyed Muslim cities and called it 'True Islam.' You forgot to mention that your Judeo-Christians did that to Muslim countries.
Good thing though they have FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY. Oh and ....."true" Islam. Right? Because that's what it's all about for some people here.
Lulldapull
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Amazing how deeply involved the US, Israel and Al-Turkiya were to get rid of Assad. All these so called HTS dogs are globally sourced/ recruited CIA terrorists.
Everyone knows.
Thanks for posting this.
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AZADPAKISTAN2009
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Read your post again. You posted pictures of destroyed Muslim cities and called it 'True Islam.' You forgot to mention that your Judeo-Christians did that to Muslim countries.
Good thing though they have FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY. Oh and ....."true" Islam. Right? Because that's what it's all about for some people here.
In history books , they will claim , it was done by Civil war , the history books will not record , who provided weapons to all the factions or groups who self imploded
Lulldapull
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Yaar main idher logon ko samjha ra hoon just how dangerous this Syria development is for us. Our people in a daze and can't see it.
What happened in Syria could happen to any muslim country.
AZADPAKISTAN2009
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It is already in motion in Pakistan, we just don't know it yet
Tamerlane
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It depends on who writes the history books. I believe that Muslims will write them and it will be recorded how the Judeo-Christian West went total retard in the service of Satan and had to be put down like rabid dogs with a world war.
FHN
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Asians are successful because of cultural beliefs that emphasize the strong connection between effort and achievement. Maybe there needs to be a cultural shift in the Muslim world. So that u guys don't get caught up in sectarian trap. I'm not really a fan of India but at least it's going in the right place. They still have alot of smart people. Education is key! Not wars! Latin America has gang problem but they don't fight over religious beliefs they are hard workers too. Mexico will be a top 10 economy in the world soon. At least use it as an inspiration. Look up to Mexico and Brazil and see what they do right. Ok good? 
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mulj
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Those jerks are infuriating, who wants to live by sharia laws state has to oblige, those who does not should not be forced into it, simple as that.'Brotherly advice' sounds familiar
Nafiseh Kohnavard
Middle East correspondent, reporting from Damascus
We can now bring you more from BBC Middle East correspondent Nafiseh Kohnavard from Damascus.
As an Iranian woman that "advice" sounds familiar. I grew up in Iran under Islamic rules and had to wear headscarf.
Our Syrian driver Wael feels uncomfortable.
"They say they are not going to interfere [in] people’s lifestyles but this might be the beginning," he says when we leave Abul Hammam.
Wael, a Sunni Muslim from Damascus, says he has three daughters and has never told them how to practice their faith.
Our fixer, Majd, feels the same way. "My girlfriend is Christian. I’m worried about her."
"We are happy that Assad is gone but we are concerned about these things," he adds.
For me, it feels like déjà vu. I was six years old when wearing a headscarf became mandatory in all schools while I was in a French school in Uroumia, Iran. I remember vividly how our pink uniforms turned to black uniforms overnight and we had to wear hijab.
So far, the interim government has said they want to form a government that will cater for all Syrians, from all sects.
This was also the case at the beginning of Iran's revolution, when many didn't expect that there would be an Islamic republic imposing Sharia laws on people.
AZADPAKISTAN2009
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Role of Factions and Mercenary groups
They are not new , or unique they have happened across history in our region of world
Creation of Saudi Arabia
Creation of Jordan
Creation of Eygpt:
Creation of Palestine/Syria/Iraq
Muslim nations in region have all been created by so call "Small groups" and factions
This war of "small" groups , in Libya - Iraq - Syria , is all following same pattern
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Modern Pakistan
Modern Turkey
Modern Egypt
The Change Crafters
Modern Warfare , the faction which gets the Prime Weapon Supply becomes victorious , and this is where "Influencers and Motivators"
play a vital role , behind the scene , supplied with "Money to distribute" and weapons to distribute
Supporting the faction heads is less costly compared to a ground invasion by own army
They are not new , or unique they have happened across history in our region of world
Creation of Saudi Arabia
- 3-4 Factions cooperating against Ottoman, the one who remained in power was least visible of factions came from background to get approval for creating country
- Faction placed in charge with Strong strict interpretations
- Saudis were also a small tribal faction on run , fighting for survival running between Riyadh and Kuwait till they agreed to be more helpful than the locals who helped British in Ottoman War
- They only were given power because they would be more obedient to outsiders
- Saudi gave lucrative $$ contracts to friends after oil was discovered and they continue to give Billions across nothing wrong with that
- Business oriented approach
Creation of Jordan
- Monarch , post war with Ottoman reward given for support against Turkey
- Obedient , king happy with his small pie
Creation of Eygpt:
- Occupation under French, they went away after napoleons death in British prison
- Occupation under English
- Withdrawal of British from Egypt post world war 1
- Military Martial Law Government in Egypt post 1967
- One party system abolished democratically election government, fall of republic
- Syria-Eygpt were once 1 country till they parted way by mutual consent
Creation of Palestine/Syria/Iraq
- Reward for Factions for support against Ottoman Turks
- The land divided between factions as reward
- Monarchy established did not last long
- Military coups in Syria and Iraq, they remained dormant rulers ruling over own population with iron fist
Muslim nations in region have all been created by so call "Small groups" and factions
This war of "small" groups , in Libya - Iraq - Syria , is all following same pattern
- Small pockets of mercenaries
- Someone supplies them weapons
- They topple own government
- They are quickly accepted
- After 20-25 years cycle is repeated
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Modern Pakistan
- Feels like Syria of 1970 , military rule , ISI secret service with tarnished reputation , People and Army divided and the rift is growing
- Constitution / Courts are no longer functional
- People are complaining about missing person and kidnapped souls
- Resembling Bashar Assad like setup
- More and more reliant on IMF loan
- Downward trajectory
Modern Turkey
- Avoided martial law, avoided falling in trap
- Military and Civilian body on same page
- Stable
Modern Egypt
- Army has a negative view in local population due to strict regime , similar to Bashar Assad
- Heavy hand against civilians , kidnapping , court cases
- Republic and Democracy is discouraged
- Economy is holding by thin thread , a loan from IMF
- The army itself has become a "Rouge Faction"
- While Syrian government fell , SISI went on a European tour still afraid of Arab Spring himself
- Crack down in Egypt on Syrian people celebrating
The Change Crafters
Modern Warfare , the faction which gets the Prime Weapon Supply becomes victorious , and this is where "Influencers and Motivators"
play a vital role , behind the scene , supplied with "Money to distribute" and weapons to distribute
- Who flies the C130 and drops gifts for the mercenary friends ?
- Who facilitates the supply of money for factions?
- AK-47 , the Vigo dala rides of factions and cigarettes' are all financed by someone
- They promise the faction leaders certain perks , or benefits if they agree to do some favors for the Change Crafters
- Perhaps this could even be a pardon from all past activates deemed "unnatural" or terrorist like
Supporting the faction heads is less costly compared to a ground invasion by own army
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r3alist
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Exactly this
I agree with everything you said
Except one blind spot is that in the here and now other nations are not seated in the dinner table, only a few,others are in fact on the menu.
China is seated on the table, they have a similar menu available, and are the best opportunists, not known for charity ... you get my drift
You can't wait 10 years to have a better negotiating hand lol
You can't wait 10 weeks
In order to have a future hand you need a present, in the here and now
Put aside all the inadequacy talk
That tech stuff is a seperate war but you need basic stability first, which China has had plenty of whilst NATO was everywhere else
It seems no matter what is happening china is angelic
amazing soft power From their perspective misery or stability they will take whatever benefits they can, so I conclude that if they want brics they need to prove their mettle as leader's with skin in the game otherwise it will fade away? Agree
Btw, why wouldn't you want that for your own selfish reasons, to utilise their considerable heft, that's the name of the game for most middle powers, coercing, and yes coercing powers to offer better deals
If they want to remain on the sidelines sniffing opportunity misery or stability ok also fine, that's not a great power that will shift the status quo
FuturePAF
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Your welcome, I wanted to share a video that shows how the Syrian military couldn’t see the writing on the wall, showing their hubris.
But also, yes, HTS are proxies of many outside powers. A four way deal, Turkey, the US, Israel, and I’m gonna say, IMHO, the Saudis. The Saudis also want a port on the med as well as to quash any chance of a Muslim brotherhood led state emerging. So they co-opted the remnants of AQ into this force that will make all the “Sunni Islamist” noises (anti-Iranian) but be a neutered creature in all other ways.
It was what I was saying was the way the Saudis could have done with Iraq in the 90s instead of the 2003 Iraq war, use the tribes to overthrow internally. Seems my prediction for Syria came true.
Agencies worked together to keep the war “small”.
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FHN
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It's not china fault that u guys are constantly waging wars. Plus BRICS is an economic forum not a military alliance! Stop putting that into the conversation. BRICS or not china production capacity will continue to expand. We will do business with anyone regardless of the color of your skin. I'm sure there are some religiousExactly this
I agree with everything you said
Except one blind spot is that in the here and now other nations are not seated in the dinner table, only a few,others are in fact on the menu.
China is seated on the table, they have a similar menu available, and are the best opportunists, not known for charity ... you get my drift
You can't wait 10 years to have a better negotiating hand lol
You can't wait 10 weeks
In order to have a future hand you need a present, in the here and now
Put aside all the inadequacy talk
That tech stuff is a seperate war but you need basic stability first, which China has had plenty of whilst NATO was everywhere else
It seems no matter what is happening china is angelic
From their perspective misery or stability they will take whatever benefits they can, so I conclude that if they want brics they need to prove their mettle as leader's with skin in the game otherwise it will fade away? Agree
Btw, why wouldn't you want that for your own selfish reasons, to utilise their considerable heft, that's the name of the game for most middle powers, coercing, and yes coercing powers to offer better deals
If they want to remain on the sidelines sniffing opportunity misery or stability ok also fine, that's not a great power that will shift the status quo
in this forum. They believe sunni have the mandate to rule over other sects lol u can't help that shit. It's beyond anyone intellectual maturity. It's called stupidity.
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