Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[The SC]

Director of the Syrian Network for Human Rights: There is false information and there are no secret doors to prisons

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[Snake]

I am not upset, just astounded that people are not more knowledgeable when they willingly start discussing the topics at hand.

What tunnel vision?

There is an annual mutual trade of 400 billion USD.

Chinese Numbers: China-Arab trade booms over two decades

Trade between China and the Arab League has witnessed robust expansion as the two sides bolstered economic cooperation since the China-Arab States Cooperation Forum was established 20 years ago, customs data showed.

english.www.gov.cn

Those are cold hard facts on the ground that destroy your entire argument.

My friend, you are an American yourself I suppose? You already know as does the entire world, that US weapons are the best weapons out there and have been the case since the start of Arab-Western relations. Look at the Arab states and militaries that relied on Soviet weapons in comparison. Mostly trash.

China is first catching up now but almost every weapon of theirs is not battle-proven. They have not been at any war in ages. Unlike the US war machine.

That map is nonsense. There are no US bases in KSA. Not been the case since prior to the Iraq 2003 invasion.

KSA allowed the US to use the Prince Sultan Air Base in the fight against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

You know how 9/11/Al-Qaeda started in the first place? Due to complains of US military presence in KSA. That was the main argument. Post Gulf War.

Also the only permanent US bases in the region are in Qatar (Al-Udeid - the largest) and in UAE. By INVITATION of the local rulers.

Al-Udeid was established by Qatar in the 1990's when they feared an Saudi Arabian invasion/coup. Read about it.

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BTW, China can ask for military bases in some Muslim and Arab countries, maybe the local governments will allow them if it suits the interests of both parties.

Clearly if suits the likes of Qatar and UAE to host US bases. Nobody forces them to. I mean are they not allies/partners? It is hardly a secret, is it? Turkey is a NATO member as well and what is the problem with that? Most Muslim countries would love to be NATO members.

Tunnel vision by showing only Arab-China relations, try to compare that with Arab-West relations. Relations are more than just trade look at sports, culture, tourism, etc. as well. The difference is clear. My argument remains and you are misunderstanding it. In summary my point is China is indifferent to Arab concerns on the world stage because the Arab countries show a proclivity toward Western ideals - sometimes even more than to their own ideals.

I am not referring only to American hardware but also European. For example the Typhoons, or Tornados from Europe. Compare all equipment they receive that to the equipment they receive from China. This is one reason why China doesn't seriously support anyone in the middle east.

Notice the difference here:

They can be counted on 1 hand and they have all been invited by local governments and benefit those local governments.

BTW, China can ask for military bases in some Muslim and Arab countries

This discussion began with your post about people wondering why China doesn't get involved heavily in the middle east. My point remains: The middle eastern governments are ready to get in bed with western powers but don't extend the same level of courtesy to the Chinese.

 

[The SC]

Ahmed Al-Sharaa: We will not pardon those involved in torturing and liquidating detainees, and we will pursue them in our country

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[BHAN85]

I don't know how serious the Syrian opposition is about fighting Israel. But it is clear that Israel takes this threat seriously, because Israel continues to attack Syrian weapons depots and violate its borders. And I think that in the long run, HTS and its leaders will be eliminated by the US and Israel themselves.

You dont know and nobody knows.

What defines Syrian rebels is uncertainty.

They are nutjobs, they can do any stupid thing in one direction or/and the opposite.

They are suicidal guys, they dont care about strategic reasons or anything like that.

It's a rogue state ruled by nutjobs, a open air mental asylum.

So Israel must be thinking in the worst case, and act in consequence.

And that likely it will provoke the worst case, rebels will seek vengeance soon or later. Self fulfilled prophecy.

If you act aggressively preemptively because you think you could be attacked, then, certainly you will be attacked as retaliation for your first attack.

At least Assad regime was easy to predict, they act to protect themselves and to protect their Iranian masters.

But with Syrian rebels, any stupid thing is possible. Even things that only would damage them and everybody else.

 

[The SC]

Ahmed Al-Sharaa: The fear was due to the existence of the Assad regime, and now it has fallen and the country is moving towards development, reconstruction and stability

Ahmed Al-Sharaa: The source of our fears was from the Iranian militias, Hezbollah, and the regime that committed the massacres

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[tower9]

The transgender major-general Suhail Al-Hasan is captured by the new government.

Hopefully he will get a good penetrating treatment before they chop his head like a baked swine.

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I will think of this any time I have a bad day. It’s a reminder that things can get much worse.

 

[Snake]

Being dependent on 1 single partner/ally or not trying to befriend everyone in our current position as Muslims, is pure stupidity.

Be pragmatic and smart.

This is my argument - the Arab world should diversify its defence base to include partners such as Russia, China and later on become fully independent. As of now this is not happening. In the past Russia threatened to get involved with Israel-Egypt conflict partly because Egypt was a lot closer to Russia militarily than it is today. I don't see the diversification in any middle eastern country.

 

[The SC]

Tunnel vision by showing only Arab-China relations, try to compare that with Arab-West relations. Relations are more than just trade look at sports, culture, tourism, etc. as well. The difference is clear. My argument remains and you are misunderstanding it. In summary my point is China is indifferent to Arab concerns on the world stage because the Arab countries show a proclivity toward Western ideals - sometimes even more than to their own ideals.

I am not referring only to American hardware but also European. For example the Typhoons, or Tornados from Europe. Compare all equipment they receive that to the equipment they receive from China. This is one reason why China doesn't seriously support anyone in the middle east.

Notice the difference here:



This discussion began with your post about people wondering why China doesn't get involved heavily in the middle east. My point remains: The middle eastern governments are ready to get in bed with western powers but don't extend the same level of courtesy to the Chinese.

Off topic:

China itself was built on Western Industrial technologies and companies moving there with their modern and sophisticated production lines..

 

[hyperman]

Out of curiosity, how real was the UAE support for the coup in 2016. Do we have any actual solid evidence? Also what was the reason for the hostility to begin with as far back as 2016? From what I recall UAE and Turkey were on the same page in Syria during that time. There was no trouble in Sudan. Libya was also a largely new "thing". So what the hell was going on?

I mean it reminds me of the rumors of Erdogan wanting to use the MB to remove certain Arab leaders.

Now that I recall those old events, I think it all began in Egypt when the Egyptian military and partially the people helped create 2 revolutions within 2 years, firstly the removal of Mubarak and later the removal of Morsi.

I think the 2011-2015 years (Arab Spring, numerous revolutions, rise of ISIS) were the hight of tension in the region.


Subhanallah. I hope that they will turn him into a barbecue cartel style. Jokes aside, they should deal with him as he deserves.

It was over Morsi coup and the Rabaa massacre afterwards. That plus the Turkish support for Syrian rebels against Assad, that really sourced relations with the UAE to where Bin Zayed made a play by going to Gulenists who had a mutual adversary in Erdogan and convinced them to carry it out or atleast gave them money, the person they were in contact with in Turkey was detected by Turkish intelligence. They carried out contact through Mohammed Dahlan(the Palestinian traitor allegedly involved in the whole Arafat poisoning affair)

EXCLUSIVE: UAE 'funnelled money to Turkish coup plotters'

Palestinian exile and Emirati middleman Dahlan was in contact with cleric Gulen before coup attempt, Turkish sources claim

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[The SC]

This is my argument - the Arab world should diversify its defence base to include partners such as Russia, China and later on become fully independent. As of now this is not happening. In the past Russia threatened to get involved with Israel-Egypt conflict partly because Egypt was a lot closer to Russia militarily than it is today. I don't see the diversification in any middle eastern country.

OFF Topic again..

But that is happening..most Arab countries built very decent arms industries..

 

[The SC]

"We will not close the door to anyone"
Spokesman for the Department of Political Affairs, Obaida Arnaout, talks about the mechanism for building new diplomatic relations with all countries

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[The SC]

“We went down as many people as everyone got down.”
Individual initiatives by young people who joined together to clean the streets and squares of #Damascus

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[_Arabia_]

Tunnel vision by showing only Arab-China relations, try to compare that with Arab-West relations. Relations are more than just trade look at sports, culture, tourism, etc. as well. The difference is clear. My argument remains and you are misunderstanding it. In summary my point is China is indifferent to Arab concerns on the world stage because the Arab countries show a proclivity toward Western ideals - sometimes even more than to their own ideals.

I am not referring only to American hardware but also European. For example the Typhoons, or Tornados from Europe. Compare all equipment they receive that to the equipment they receive from China. This is one reason why China doesn't seriously support anyone in the middle east.

Notice the difference here:



This discussion began with your post about people wondering why China doesn't get involved heavily in the middle east. My point remains: The middle eastern governments are ready to get in bed with western powers but don't extend the same level of courtesy to the Chinese.

We were discussing Arab-China relations. The most crucial relationship for every state in the world today is the economic sphere. In this regard the Arabs and Chinese have one of the largest trade volumes in the world.

I already wrote that there are deep-rooted geographical, historical, religious, geopolitical etc. (many other issues I covered) why the Arab world and West have closer ties outside of the economics with the neighboring West.

This is dictated by geography as almost all geopolitics are. If we were located next to China like say Japan or South Korea, this would have been different. Look at the cultural impact of China in Japan and South Korea for instance which is deep rooted.

Sure, and which hardware is the best in the world if not American and British or certainly used to be in the time period that we are covering?

Once again, compare Arab states that relied on USSR/Russia. All of them are failures. Even stable and huge Algeria is painfully mismanaged compared to their human and natural resources. In many ways due to their 60 + year old one-party rule and close ties to USSR/Russia. Compare it with neighboring resource-less Tunisia or Morocco.

No, there is no "get in bed" here. The West (as of now and certainly previously -as I wrote China was irrelevant just 40 years ago) offered way more positives than China could. It is hard cold calculated geopolitics. At the same time with the rise of China, a new reality has emerged where China has overtaken as the single largest economic trade partner.

Better to ask, what is China willing to offer the Arabs and the overall Muslim world to such an extent that we (leaderships) will prefer them over the combined West?

Look at Pakistan. Despite the strategic partnership with China, mainly emerging due to the counterweight to India, has Pakistan and Pakistanis closer ties to China or the West? The answer is the West.

This is my argument - the Arab world should diversify its defence base to include partners such as Russia, China and later on become fully independent. As of now this is not happening. In the past Russia threatened to get involved with Israel-Egypt conflict partly because Egypt was a lot closer to Russia militarily than it is today. I don't see the diversification in any middle eastern country.

Disagree heavily. Arab states that rellied on USSR/Russia (as I wrote) were mostly total failures and remain so. Al-Assad Syria is a perfect example of that.

I am very happy that KSA has hardly bought any military hardware from Russia. It is all mostly trash in comparison. Ukraine has proved it once again. Arab Republics learned it the hard way during their wars against Israel.

China is already involved military (heavily) with the likes of KSA, Egypt and others so I disagree with that but USA remains king here and will remain that for a long, long time. No point arguing otherwise.

Off topic:

China itself was built on Western Industrial technologies and companies moving there with their modern and sophisticated production lines..

That and copying/stealing technology like a certain other regional entity that I won't mention here. Just google "Shaheed" drone and learn that 100% of all its parts are foreign imports.

 

[The SC]

The Kremlin on #Syria: Ensuring the security of our bases and diplomatic missions is of utmost importance

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[The SC]

Iranian Supreme Leader: Our forces played an advisory role in #Syria and #Iraq and did not replace the armies of the two countries

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