Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation
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Foinikas
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Exactly. I'm in the region. What happens in Syria affects me more than you.And you are in Greece.
hyperman
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You Middle Eastern? lol
Foinikas
Elite Member
Why do you pretend to be ignorant?
Syria is a bit further. We're all in the East Mediterranean. Cyprus is just next to Syria. Things that happen in Syria,after the entire region. Greece and Syria have had cultural ties for millenia. Way before any Turkic tribe got close to what is now Persia.
Geopolitical shifts in Syria affect Greece too. In the way I explained numerous times here why I preferred Assad to stay in power,but apparently you're the one who doesn't read or pay attention to what I'm saying.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
Schrodinger's Greek, European when convenient, not like those icky Middle Easterners We are Europ and Civilization.
Then Oriental when convenient. lol
Foinikas
Elite Member
If you're in denial,it's not my problem. It becomes my problem when you're being an obnoxious c as always. Then you complain if I call Musings here to pull your ear.
Greece has always been in this part of the world. Hellenism had been part of modern day Greece,parts of the Balkans,all of Asia Minor and from Alexander until the 11th century AD,in the Levant,Egypt and Libya.
I'll play along with your pretense of ignorance. Take a look at this map.
What happens in Syria affects us more than it does you. Unless of course you're not an American who's not living in America.
Muji.Iqbal
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This thread needs to be closed.
Syrian rebels have won. Democracy has come to Syria and Bashar Al Assad has fled for his life.
Syrian rebels have won. Democracy has come to Syria and Bashar Al Assad has fled for his life.
Soldier35
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Footage of abandoned MiG-23 fighters of the Syrian Air Force has been published. After the change of power in Syria, Syrian MiG-23 fighters and Soviet-made Su-24 bombers were abandoned. Judging by the video, there is no security at the airbase, and bombs and other aircraft weapons were also abandoned. MiG-23 fighters were produced in the USSR from 1969 to 1985, Su-24 bombers from 1967 to 1993. The Russian Air Force currently uses modifications of the Su-24M2 and Su-24MR bombers.
Foinikas
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Hope turns to regret among Syrians returning home from Turkey
By Birsen Altayli and Karam Al-MasriFebruary 5, 20258:04 AM GMT+2Updated 8 hours ago
ISTANBUL/ALEPPO, Feb 5 (Reuters) - Ahmed al-Sheikh's excitement at returning to his homeland from neighbouring Turkey after the fall of Bashar al-Assad has turned to bitter disappointment at the grim living conditions in Syria after some 13 years of war.
Sheikh is one of 35,000 Syrians who left Turkey for Syria full of hope in the first three weeks after Assad was toppled on Dec. 8, giving up the right to come back to Turkey after signing a voluntary return document.
Turkey's refugee association says many, like him, are now disillusioned by the reality of life in a war-ravaged country.
"I was shocked by the catastrophic situation, which was beyond my expectations," said Sheikh, 35, speaking in his home after returning to Aleppo, eight years after he fled to Turkey. He said that water and electricity are frequently cut off and internet communication is almost non-existent.
Migrant returns are a key element of burgeoning ties between Syria and NATO-member Turkey, which is emerging as a power broker able to wield influence economically and diplomatically. Syria's transitional President Ahmed al-Sharaa visited Ankara on Tuesday, discussing an expected rapid expansion of economic ties.
The presence of nearly 3 million Syrians in Turkey has become a sensitive political issue. Many have faced bouts of anti-migrant sentiment that made them feel like unwanted guests, and some rushed to the border after rebels forced Assad out.
"Most of the refugees were initially excited about returning after the fall of the Assad regime, but this excitement faded over time," said Kadri Gungorur, social welfare director of the Refugees Association in Turkey, citing complaints such as the lack of education and health services.
"Some families feel regret and want to return," he said. "When they compare the living conditions in Turkey with Syria, we can accept that Turkey offers them more opportunities."
BID TO SUPPORT VOLUNTARY RETURNS
Sheikh was among those enthused by the rebels' victory, dreaming of rebuilding his bombed Aleppo home. He vowed to go back as soon as Assad fell, despite friends' efforts to dissuade him. Now he is dismayed by the comparatively poor living conditions and scarcity of job and education opportunities."I started thinking about returning to Turkey because my life was stable there, and my children were in school. My living conditions were stable," he said. "But I can't go back now because I signed a voluntary return document."
Due to such negative experiences, Turkish Interior Minister Ali Yerlikaya announced at the end of 2024 a scheme designed to enable migrants to better plan their return home.
The scheme entitles the heads of Syrian migrant families to visit Syria three times between January and June this year, according to an Interior Ministry document.
Between Assad's fall and late January, 81,576 Syrians had entered Syria, indicating a slight fall in the daily rate of returns from December to some 1,600 a day, Yerlikaya said. It was unclear how many of those returning in January had signed the voluntary return document.
During a visit to Turkey last week, the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi expressed support for Turkey's refugee response and voluntary returns.
He praised the policy of what he called "go-and-see visits", saying they were "a best practice, as it allows refugees to assess conditions for themselves and can pave the way for sustainable returns to Syria".
'PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE'
Some Syrians are more inclined to wait and see.Syrian chemist Jafer, 27, came to Turkey 12 years ago and will not consider returning with his wife and three children until conditions improve.
"My children are currently well-adjusted in Turkey, which makes staying here more likely since they have adapted to life, language, and education in Turkey," he said.
"Some people will return, but the lack of basic necessities prevents them from doing so. They think about returning, but not now, perhaps in the future."
It is an option no longer open to Sheikh.
He was forced out of Aleppo in late 2016 when Assad forces, with the support of Russian air strikes, seized control of the eastern part of the city from rebels. He went on to build a stable life for his wife and four children in Turkey.
He has opened a mobile phone repair shop in Aleppo, but his plan to fix his house there is on hold.
"I don't know if the project will succeed here in the country or if it will fail. If it fails, I will have lost everything I earned during my time in Turkey."
hasn2009
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Not needed anymore since they have successfully installed their proxies to protect their's and Israel's interests in the region.
That_Guy
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Honestly, it's a smart move. It basically forces Israel to thick twice before striking Syria's future naval assets, as they'd be striking European controlled assets.
The SC
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Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan said in fiery statements today:
• The meeting of Presidents Erdogan and Sharaa was very fruitful and will gain our relations in the next stage greater momentum
• The steps that will be taken against the PKK 𝗣𝗞𝗞/𝗣𝗬𝗗
• Mr. Sharaa has a very clear position on the Labor Party, a position that meets Türkiye's security needs
• The Syrian state will be restored to all elements of the PKK who came from other countries to their country or will eliminate them
• No on the agenda of the Syrian administration there is ideas on federalism or autonomy
• We work to create a joint mechanism with Iraq, Syria and Jordan to combat ISIS
@DeirEzzore
• The meeting of Presidents Erdogan and Sharaa was very fruitful and will gain our relations in the next stage greater momentum
• The steps that will be taken against the PKK 𝗣𝗞𝗞/𝗣𝗬𝗗
• Mr. Sharaa has a very clear position on the Labor Party, a position that meets Türkiye's security needs
• The Syrian state will be restored to all elements of the PKK who came from other countries to their country or will eliminate them
• No on the agenda of the Syrian administration there is ideas on federalism or autonomy
• We work to create a joint mechanism with Iraq, Syria and Jordan to combat ISIS
@DeirEzzore
