Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

But who's going to rule that? Arabs have tribal mentality still,especially the ones in the Sham and jazira
Everyone has a tribal mentality. Essentially modern day nation states are the manifestations of tribes/nations establishing states. This has always been the case throughout all of recorded human history. I mean if you look at it, all nation states of today were once established by ruling families/dynasties. Monarchies basically. Very few exceptions. Especially the old ones. Can only think of Switzerland as an exception and the likes of San Marino but San Marino was like the Italian Republicans who were also ruled by a Doge/ruler anyway despite the name of "Republic". Just like in old Rome before Augustus.

This is also present everywhere in the Arab world from Morocco to Oman. Even in Egypt. The difference as I explained earlier is that in stable/strong/centralized Arab states this class/tribe division is mostly only seen during marriages, work and gatherings (social interactions). For instance an Egyptian from Sinai will rarely marry a fellah from Luxor (despite being the same ethnicity, having the same religion and the same economic background (social class) just like a cairenes from an upper-class family will rarely marry (it will be frowned upon at least) some villager from the Nile Delta.

Albeit this is much less so than in older times where such marriages were unthinkable mostly.

Anyway tribalism is a very complicated matter in the Arab world and not easy to explain and different from each country in many ways.

Problem is that the Arab world is/was home to the oldest recorded civilizations/kingdoms on the planet and as a result of this there has been literally 10.000's of different empires, caliphates, sultantes, kingdoms, emirates, sheikdoms, imamates, republics, dictatorships, city/village nation states etc. Not long ago in every single Arab country, even within KSA, you had Sheikhs/rulers ruling a village, province, city, region etc.

The smart thing that Ibn Saud did when he unified KSA was to marry into all the powerful ruling and clan families and thus gained legitimacy and a blood kinship to region x or y. Now he/his off-spring was "one of their own".

Frankly speaking tribalism (essentially Arab nobility and kinship model) is not really so much the problem. The main problem is weakness of the central state in places like Iraq/Syria/Yemen/Syria/Sudan (which was not always the case) and the lack of a power-sharing arrangement deal that would make everyone content.

After all everyone that has the opportunity wants to rule/dominate/advance in every field of life whether on the job, in private life, private sector (business) let alone when reaching real power.

All of humanity is basically one big power struggle for relationships, power, resources, legacy, ego etc.

I think the problem in those war-torn Arab nations (of late) is also that each conflict/war creates distrust and it gets harder to reconcile. It requires clever leadership, some overall goals (as a nation state) that everyone can unite under etc.

But at the end of the day those conflicts are mostly flamed by a few locals and outsiders.

The ordinary Arabs in Yemen, Iraq, Lebanon and everywhere else where there are regional/sectarian etc. divisions are living in harmony.

To begin with most people don't care a lot about politics and what we are discussing here.

But anyway while you are here and we are discussing this, what is your view about Lebanon and Syria merging into 1 country in the future (look past leadership/militias in both countries now) as well as your opinion about unity vs division? Because in theory you could create probably another 80 Arab countries (to make the total 100) just like you could divide Greece into 100's of city states once again like back in antiquity.
 
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Anyway to return more to the topic of the thread at hand albeit we have talked about related issue mostly.

60 Saudi trucks enter Syria with food, shelter, medical supplies

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1739624928301.pngKSrelief aid convoy crosses into Syria via the Nasib Crossing on February 14, 2025. (SPA)

  • Delivery is part of Kingdom’s humanitarian aid to support Syrian efforts to rebuild after civil war
  • 16 Saudi relief airplanes also arrive at Damascus International Airport

NASIB BORDER CROSSING: Sixty relief trucks carrying food, shelter and medical supplies entered Syria on Friday via the Nasib crossing on the border with Jordan, the Saudi Press Agency reported.

The delivery is part of Saudi humanitarian aid in support of efforts by Syria’s new leadership to rebuild the country after years of civil war.

Organized by Saudi aid agency KSrelief, the delivery brings the total number of trucks to 174.

Sixteen relief airplanes have also arrived at Damascus International Airport as part of a Saudi air relief bridge launched last month, carrying similar supplies and a KSrelief team.

The agency’s supervisor general, Abdullah Al-Rabeeah, highlighted Saudi Arabia’s consistent support since the Syrian crisis began in 2011, with KSrelief continuously providing aid to internally displaced Syrians, refugees in neighboring countries, and victims of the February 2023 earthquake.

KSrelief has said the Kingdom’s total aid to the Syrian people from 2011 to the end of 2024 exceeded $856 million.


Syrian prime minister lauds Saudi Arabia’s humanitarian program​

Syrian prime minister lauds Saudi Arabia’s humanitarian program


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Syrian PM Mohammed Al-Bashir meets KSrelief’s volunteer team, led by Dr. Ali bin Saad Al-Qarni. (SPA)
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A convoy of 60 aid trucks passed through the Jouf region en route to Syria. (SPA)

  • Convoy of 60 trucks crosses Jouf region to deliver urgent aid to people in need

RIYADH: Syrian Arab Republic Prime Minister Mohammed Al-Bashir met a volunteer team from Saudi aid agency KSrelief led by Volunteer Programs Director Dr. Ali bin Saad Al-Qarni.

During the meeting in Damascus, they discussed developments in the Saudi Amal Volunteer Program, which supports Syrians through 104 campaigns in medical and surgical specialties, training and education, and economic empowerment, the Saudi Press Agency reported.

The Syrian prime minister expressed his gratitude to Saudi Arabia, led by King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, for KSrelief’s generous humanitarian aid.

Al-Bashir also praised the Saudi Amal Volunteer Program’s effective role in assisting the Syrian people, the SPA reported.

The KSrelief team, in turn, thanked the Syrian government for facilitating the program’s work, highlighting the Kingdom’s commitment to supporting Syrians through a range of humanitarian and relief initiatives.

Meanwhile, a convoy of 60 aid trucks, part of the Saudi humanitarian operation by KSrelief, passed through the Jouf region on Tuesday en route to Syria through the Al-Haditha border crossing, the SPA reported.

Loaded with food, relief supplies and shelter materials, the convoy was warmly received by locals in Jouf, who provided support under the guidance of Jouf Gov. Prince Faisal bin Nawaf.

The KSrelief team expressed gratitude to the governor and the people of Jouf for their hospitality, the SPA said.

The humanitarian operation reflects Saudi Arabia’s efforts to assist people in times of crisis.


France says EU working toward ‘rapid’ easing of Syria sanctions​



France says EU working toward ‘rapid’ easing of Syria sanctions


Syria’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Asaad Hassan Al-Shibani shakes hands with his French counterpart in Paris on Thursday. (AFP)

  • Paris conference focused on protecting Syria from destabilizing foreign interference, coordinating aid efforts

PARIS: France’s Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot said Thursday that the EU was working toward swiftly easing Syria sanctions as Paris hosted a conference on the transition in the war-torn country after President Bashar Assad’s fall.

Opposition fighters toppled Assad in December after a lightning offensive.

The new authorities, headed by interim leader Ahmad Al-Sharaa, have sought to reassure the international community that they have broken with their jihadist past and will respect the rights of minorities.

They have been lobbying the West to ease sanctions imposed against Assad to allow the country to rebuild its economy after five decades of his family’s rule and almost 14 years of civil war.

“We are working with my European counterparts toward a rapid lifting of sectorial economic sanctions,” Barrot said, after EU foreign ministers agreed last month to ease them, starting with key sectors such as energy.

Syria’s Foreign Minister Asaad Al-Shaibani is in Paris for the conference, in his first such official visit to Europe for talks after he attended the World Economic Forum in Davos last month.

The French presidency said earlier that the United States, Germany, Britain, the European Union and the United Nations were also to be represented, as were several Gulf nations and Syria’s northern neighbor Turkiye.

French President Emmanuel Macron is due to address attendees.

There has been concern among Western governments over the direction the new Syrian leadership will take in particular on religious freedom, women’s rights and the status of the Kurdish minority in the northeast of Syria.

Shaibani on Wednesday said a new government would take over next month from the interim cabinet, vowing that it would represent all Syrians in their diversity.

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, ahead of the Paris meeting, emphasized the need for “all actors” in Syria to be included.

“It is essential that women be represented,” she said.

Several diplomatic sources had said the conference also aimed to focus on protecting Syria from destabilizing foreign interference and coordinating aid efforts.

Turkish-backed factions launched attacks against Kurdish-held areas in northern Syria at around the same time as the offensive that overthrew Assad, and have since seized strategic areas.

 
Everyone has a tribal mentality. Essentially modern day nation states are the manifestations of tribes/nations establishing states. This has always been the case throughout all of recorded human history. I mean if you look at it, all nation states of today were once established by ruling families/dynasties. Monarchies basically. Very few exceptions. Especially the old ones. Can only think of Switzerland as an exception and the likes of San Marino but San Marino was like the Italian Republicans who were also ruled by a Doge/ruler anyway despite the name of "Republic". Just like in old Rome before Augustus.
No man,not "everyone" has a tribal mentality. I'M TALKING ABOUT NOW. Not 500 years ago. Not 2,500 years ago. Now.

All of humanity is basically one big power struggle for relationships, power, resources, legacy, ego etc.
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Long story short,you want Syria and Lebanon to be united under a Sunni leadership and the entire Arabian peninsula under a king or caliph.
 
No man,not "everyone" has a tribal mentality. I'M TALKING ABOUT NOW. Not 500 years ago. Not 2,500 years ago. Now.


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Long story short,you want Syria and Lebanon to be united under a Sunni leadership and the entire Arabian peninsula under a king or caliph.
Troll post.

No, everyone has a tribal mentality. Otherwise there would not be any disunity on the planet and there would be no need for 200 + nation states (with various ethnic groups wanting 200 + of their own nations states if not more) when we are all "just humans".

I am in favour of Arab unity in whatever format as long as it manifests itself on the ground and is positive. Regional integration is already occuring and will likely continue. Federalism, republic, monarchy etc. is not that important. Regional blocs developing (such as the GCC which is one of the most successful political/economic/social blocs in the world) in the Arab world is enough as would be turning the Arab League into a EU like union which is very possible as the Arab League even predates the UN let alone the EU.
Not sure why you are blabbering about any "Caliph" here other than some jab and hidden religious insults (implying some fanaticism, I assume?) Not cool.. We Arabs don't need any Caliph anyway. Ruled that for 1000 years. No longer relevant in this day and age with how the current world looks like.

Besides a Caliph today would just have the function of a Pope but we don't need such a figure in Islam and can do without as our clergy has a very different role/importance than that of Catholics/Orthodox in Islam. That is what Grand Muftis and Ayatollah's (depending on sect) are for.
 
Troll post.

No, everyone has a tribal mentality. Otherwise there would not be any disunity on the planet and there would be no need for 200 + nation states (with various ethnic groups wanting 200 + of their own nations states if not more) when we are all "just humans".

I am in favour of Arab unity in whatever format as long as it manifests itself on the ground and is positive. Regional integration is already occuring and will likely continue. Federalism, republic, monarchy etc. is not that important. Regional blocs developing (such as the GCC which is one of the most successful political/economic/social blocs in the world) in the Arab world is enough as would be turning the Arab League into a EU like union which is very possible as the Arab League even predates the UN let alone the EU.
Not sure why you are blabbering about any "Caliph" here other than some jab and hidden religious insults (implying some fanaticism, I assume?) Not cool.. We Arabs don't need any Caliph anyway. Ruled that for 1000 years. No longer relevant in this day and age with how the current world looks like.

Besides a Caliph today would just have the function of a Pope but we don't need such a figure in Islam and can do without as our clergy has a very different role/importance than that of Catholics/Orthodox in Islam. That is what Grand Muftis and Ayatollah's (depending on sect) are for.
No,it's not a troll post. You're trying to sugarcoat the problems of Arabs and the
entire Middle-East by saying "everyone is like that".
 
No,it's not a troll post. You're trying to sugarcoat the problems of Arabs and the
entire Middle-East by saying "everyone is like that".
You don't understand the concept of tribalism (mostly nobility and social/class distinction) in the Arab world and how it works in practice. Most of the Arab world is stable and prosperous which is something that will only increase as the Arab demographics will explode in the next few decades making us the largest ethnic group in the world by 2050.

Given the enormous resources (natural, mineral, human), very strategic location, extremely rich history, control of some of the most strategic waterways, geographic size and population boom there is much reason for future optimism.

In particular as most active fronts are calming down. Sudan being the only exception and obviously the Zionists (USA/West/NATO as well by proxy and directly) and their shenanigans.

And yes, I consider the entire human nature to be tribal. You are in it for yourself mostly, then your closest kin (family), then your extended family and friends, then the city/region you were born in, then your country, then your ethnic group, then your religion, then your political allies, then your gender, then people who share your interests and personality and the lists goes on.

The problems in the Arab world are just due to weak leadership, weak central states, outside interference, militias and wars.

Nothing to do with any "tribalism" . Arabs and our ancestors were always tribal and that did not stop Arabs and our Semitic ancestors from creating the oldest civilizations on the planet and some of the most powerful. Even in the Islamic era.

And no need to mention that back then everyone else was tribal which is also the case today. Other names are just used.

To deny the tribal nature of humans is just pure sheer stupidity.

Ending it here as I prefer not to repeat myself endlessly.
 
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One of Tiger Suhail's Cubs has been caught. lol
 
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I'll tell you what I think. The problem with Arab countries in the Middle-East is the militias.
Almost every political party has a militia. If militias were banned in Lebanon,in Syria,in Palestine,in Iraq,there would have been peace. Countries should only have the Armed Forces,Police and homeguard formations.
In any nation where the local army is used by foreign forces to oppress the population, militias will appear there to play the role that the army should have. The Arab monarchies are "client kings" of the USA, UK and Israel, opposition organizations have emerged there, and also in Yemen, Lebanon etc, so as these monarchies cannot defend themselves alone, the USA/UK and Israel help to keep them in power. In Russia there is no militia because Putin has his own agenda, if a Russian government emerges that is a puppet of NATO, then a militia will be born there, it's simple.
 
I know the Saudis supported the Syrian rebels greatly.

The Saudi Arabs are cool and decent people.
 
Video of another abandoned military base in Syria. The video shows Syrian military equipment, Soviet and Russian production. Abandoned tanks T-90A, T-72, T-55. Also visible in the frame is the ZSU-23-4 Shilka air defense system, infantry fighting vehicles and other military equipment of the Syrian army.

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Video of another abandoned military base in Syria. The video shows Syrian military equipment, Soviet and Russian production. Abandoned tanks T-90A, T-72, T-55. Also visible in the frame is the ZSU-23-4 Shilka air defense system, infantry fighting vehicles and other military equipment of the Syrian army.

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Lattakia receives President Ahmed Al -Shara

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For the first time in its history, South Korea is heading to establish diplomatic relations with Syria

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French Foreign Minister: Lifting sanctions on Syria will help the flow of aid.
Britain announces that it will adjust the sanctions system imposed on Syria while keeping sanctions on the symbols of the Assad regime.
All of this happens with the presence of Foreign Minister Asaad Al -Shaibani in Paris to attend an international conference in Syria.

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