Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[PakAl]

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from ruthless jihadi to wanting to build trump tower ... what a rollercoaster

Because he was their man, it's unfortunate how Muslims cannot see pass this.

 

[PakAl]

Does Syria have oil ? Otherwise why are the Taliban still under sanctions and an international pariah ?

well one difference is that the Taliban defeated the West whereas HTS....

Its not about Taliban or HTS, it's about who's their puppet. Taliban so far refuses to be anyone puppet so is hated by everyone. If tomorrow they decide to be puppets, we will witness 1000s of praises and lifting of sanctions.

 

[battalion25]

It is like me spamming this photo.. Kinda childish no?

 

[hyperman]

Because he was their man, it's unfortunate how Muslims cannot see pass this.

There is nothing outside of the Adherence to the 1974 Ceasefire that was agreed to(Something Assad did as well, so its a move inline with Assad era policy, atleast temporarily). Everything else is people running their mouths and outright fake news.

With regards to Palestinian groups inside Syria, Assad kicked out Hamas after they refused to back him during the protests, the only groups that were in Syria were people loyal to Assad, and used by Assad by his Shabiha to put down protests in the palestinian refugee camps, in essence he used Palestinian groups t0o suppress sunni palestinians in the camps who supported the Protest and revolution. Syria otherwise was never used to launch operations into Israel, so its a moot points. These groups may be potentially be asked to leave, but its hasn't been announced.

Really with regards to Israel the only policy change of significance has been the Hezbollah supply routes. Outside of that, Syria's new govt have kept the other policies intact.

 

[hyperman]

This is kinda of childish posting bro or rather spamming. Lmao!

It is like repeating the same thing everyday as we don´t know.. That is like a kid repeating the same toy name again and again while playing.

This is very childish form of using the forum threads no?

Dude you did say that in the last 600 pages in every single one of them

They think if they post it enough somehow it will change something. As if there is some hidden majority that follows Syria and doesn't already know. They are beating a dead horse b/c they themselves are perplexed as to how to manage the new reality. 15 Year they had the same talking points but now in 10 days the entire world flipped and they can't come to terms with it. They could have been pragmatic and move on like the rest of the world, but they can't bring themselves to acknowledge their project collapsing and moving on and being pragmatic.

Really at this point, The Russians have met him, the US president has met him, he has travelled to France/EU. And even a Chinese Delegation has met with him.

The only people that have not met him has been Iran, and no one in the world cares what Iran thinks of Syria. Oh and outside of the Iraqi PMUs pressuring their govt to cancel the invitation of Ahmad Al Sharra to the Arab League Summit in Baghdad, there has been nothing, the Iraqis even moved on. The Iraqis visited Damascus and meet with him and they invited his Foreign minister to Iraq, it would have been better if they invited him, but whatever.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

They think if they post it enough somehow it will change something. As if there is some hidden majority that follows Syria and doesn't already know. They are beating a dead horse b/c they themselves are perplexed as to how to manage the new reality. 15 Year they had the same talking points but now in 10 days the entire world flipped and they can't come to terms with it. They could have been pragmatic and move on like the rest of the world, but they can't bring themselves to acknowledge their project collapsing and moving on and being pragmatic.

Really at this point, The Russians have met him, the US president has met him, he has travelled to France/EU. And even a Chinese Delegation has met with him.

The only people that have not met him has been Iran, and no one in the world cares what Iran thinks of Syria. Oh and outside of the Iraqi PMUs pressuring their govt to cancel the invitation of Ahmad Al Sharra to the Arab League Summit in Baghdad, there has been nothing. The Iraqis did visit Damascus and meet with him and they invited his Foreign minister to Iraq, it would have been better if they invited him, but whatever.

Karzai, Qani, Zelensky etc were always in spotlights, but that's not for free and doesnt say anything.

Syria is not that relevant in the region or the world. Syria’s modern borders and national identity are very much a product of the post-Ottoman restructuring.
After the Ottomans collapsed, the French Mandate for Syria and Lebanon was established (1920–1946). The French created Syria’s borders largely based on colonial interests, dividing the territory into several smaller entities initially, often exacerbating sectarian divisions—like creating separate states for Alawites, Druze, and others.

1. It's 2.5 times smaller than Iraq
2. 85% of its water sources are controlled/or originate outside of Syria
3. Its GDP has contracted by around 85% (is now somewhere between 9-28 billion dollars), which is at least 10-30 times smaller than GDP of Iraq.
4. It's a resource-poor country, unlike Iraq.
5. It's divided in 3 parts and controlled by armies of 3 different countries.
6. It needs 300-600 billion USD to be rebuilt.
7. Its military got wiped out by US, Israel, HTS backed Turkey.
8. It will remain destroyed and unstable for the coming 50 years, good luck with the big slum as a neighbour. It's a risk for investors, they should avoid the mess, it's just a matter of time before something sparks a new conflict there.

 

[hyperman]

Karzai, Qani, Zelensky etc were always in spotlights, but that's not for free and doesnt say anything.

Syria is not that relevant in the region or the world. Syria’s modern borders and national identity are very much a product of the post-Ottoman restructuring.
After the Ottomans collapsed, the French Mandate for Syria and Lebanon was established (1920–1946). The French created Syria’s borders largely based on colonial interests, dividing the territory into several smaller entities initially, often exacerbating sectarian divisions—like creating separate states for Alawites, Druze, and others.

1. It's 2.5 times smaller than Iraq
2. 85% of its water sources are controlled/or originate outside of Syria
3. Its GDP has contracted by around 85% (is now somewhere between 9-28 billion dollars), which is at least 10-30 times smaller than GDP of Iraq.
4. It's a resource-poor country, unlike Iraq.
5. It's divided in 3 parts and controlled by armies of 3 different countries.
6. It needs 300-600 billion USD to be rebuilt.
7. Its military got wiped out by US, Israel, HTS backed Turkey.
8. It will remain destroyed and unstable for the coming 50 years, good luck with the big slum as a neighbour. It's a risk for investors, they should avoid the mess, it's just a matter of time before something sparks a new conflict there.

Its ok, you can stay bitter. lol

Yeah Syria is nothing, thats why Iran wasted all those lives of their militia and all those billions to try to prop up Assad.

طُوبَى لِلشَّامِ

Zayd ibn Thabit reported that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said:
"Blessed is Al-Sham."
They asked, "O Messenger of Allah, why is that?"
He replied: "The angels of Allah have spread their wings over Al-Sham."


— Sunan al-Tirmidhi (3954)

 

[battalion25]

Karzai, Qani, Zelensky etc were always in spotlights, but that's not for free and doesnt say anything.

Syria is not that relevant in the region or the world. Syria’s modern borders and national identity are very much a product of the post-Ottoman restructuring.
After the Ottomans collapsed, the French Mandate for Syria and Lebanon was established (1920–1946). The French created Syria’s borders largely based on colonial interests, dividing the territory into several smaller entities initially, often exacerbating sectarian divisions—like creating separate states for Alawites, Druze, and others.

1. It's 2.5 times smaller than Iraq
2. 85% of its water sources are controlled/or originate outside of Syria
3. Its GDP has contracted by around 85% (is now somewhere between 9-28 billion dollars), which is at least 10-30 times smaller than GDP of Iraq.
4. It's a resource-poor country, unlike Iraq.
5. It's divided in 3 parts and controlled by armies of 3 different countries.
6. It needs 300-600 billion USD to be rebuilt.
7. Its military got wiped out by US, Israel, HTS backed Turkey.
8. It will remain destroyed and unstable for the coming 50 years, good luck with the big slum as a neighbour. It's a risk for investors, they should avoid the mess, it's just a matter of time before something sparks a new conflict there.

Your estimation is over the top let me correct you.

Syria has importance due to it´s geolocation and now that being said.

This New Syria is not partitioned but during Assad regime it was partitioned 3 part but now Syria is unified as SDF has re-joined and Assad gangs were defeated. Hence Syria is technically one know and the Israelis will exit the buffer zone.

As for the rebuilding of Syria the rebels have actully managed to rebuild Idlib which surprised all of Syria? Because they tapped into the Lira currency and flourish for awhile.

The same is gonna happen now.

Cleaning all the destructions in Aleppo, Hama, Homs, Daraa and Eastern Ghouta plus rebuilding it will take 5-10 years. They will build new modern housing units, apartments etc etc. Money is coming from everywhere Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE and Turkey. Assad had broke backers like Russia or Iran with high sanctions on themselves.

- The military rebuild with much stronger armed forces about 10 times stronger will take as short time as 3-5 years and already taking shape as we speak. The Turks have NATO standard weaponry they will have Syria running quickly unlike Iraq that is still weak and in the ragtag stages compared to Jordan that is militarily formidible.

- The rebuilding of all destructed sectors of the mentioned cities will take 5-10 years

- Iraq has not gotten out of poverty and the OIL is ceased by the US and the Kurds in Iraq for protection meaning Iraq is still paying for US protection.

- Syria will be in top shape in as little as 10 years and not to forget Turkey is the second biggest construction superpower in the world just behind China as they are building around the world not only in Africa hence this construction will be rather easy and is Turkey´s bread and butter

 

[Aziqbal]

I just wish for better lives for the Syrians

they have suffered so much

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Its ok, you can stay bitter. lol

Yeah Syria is nothing, thats why Iran wasted all those lives of their militia and all those billions to try to prop up Assad.

طُوبَى لِلشَّامِ

Zayd ibn Thabit reported that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said:
"Blessed is Al-Sham."
They asked, "O Messenger of Allah, why is that?"
He replied: "The angels of Allah have spread their wings over Al-Sham."


— Sunan al-Tirmidhi (3954)

What I mentioned are all facts, Syria is a dwarf compared to Iraq, you can double check all info.

We financially lost around 3 billion usd a year, it's not nothing, but in comparison to our total military budget it is managable, and compared to what other militaries spend, it's very little.

Syria served as a bridge to deliver self defence capabilities to Hezbollah. HTS sunni muzlims saw it as a "persian project" and wanted to stop this. It's a win for muzlims and israeliz, but know that Israel will now have free hands to do whatever it wants with these sunni muzlims in Syria. It's a trap there and remains like that, better that we pulled out.

I don't think that messenger of allah would be that happy if he heard that umayad muzlims butchered his grandchildren and that todays HTS terrorists see the umayads as a source of pride.

Maybe that's why allah irreversibly destroyed their land beyond repair through the hands of forces opposing umayyad terrorism? It's all death, destruction, rubbles, occupation there, it's a cursed zone. Any cent spent there by Iran, was spent well, no regrets at all.

 

[hyperman]

What I mentioned are all facts, Syria is a dwarf compared to Iraq, you can double check all info.

We financially lost around 3 billion usd a year, it's not nothing, but in comparison to our total military budget it is managable, and compared to what other militaries spend, it's very little.

Syria served as a bridge to deliver self defence capabilities to Hezbollah. HTS sunni muzlims saw it as a "persian project" and wanted to stop this. It's a win for muzlims and israeliz, but know that Israel will now have free hands to do whatever it wants with these sunni muzlims in Syria. It's a trap there and remains like that, better that we pulled out.

I don't think that messenger of allah would be that happy if he heard that umayad muzlims butchered his grandchildren and that todays HTS terrorists see the umayads as a source of pride.

Maybe that's why allah irreversibly destroyed their land beyond repair through the hands of forces opposing umayyad terrorism? It's all death, destruction, rubbles, occupation there, it's a cursed zone. Any cent spent there by Iran, was spent well, no regrets at all.

The Prophet ﷺ said:
"A group of my Ummah will remain manifest upon the truth. They will not be harmed by those who forsake them or oppose them until the command of Allah comes, and they will be in Al-Sham."


— Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim
The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said:
"The stronghold of the believers at the time of trials will be in Al-Sham."


— Sunan Abu Dawud (2483)
Sa‘īd ibn Zayd reported that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said:
“Abu Bakr is in Paradise, Umar is in Paradise, Uthman is in Paradise, Ali is in Paradise...” (and the list continues to ten)


— Jami‘ al-Tirmidhi (3747)
The Prophet ﷺ foretold that Umar was the door holding back tribulations. Once broken (not opened), trials would enter.


— Sahih al-Bukhari

Keep Screaming Ummayad Ummayad. lol, meaningless anti sunni sentiment hiding behind supposed criticism of Ummayads. The Jamah is neither of the rejectors nor of the Nasibis.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

During Assad Syria was united, economy was growing relatively well, the GDP is way higher. Due to the civil war with foreign backed rebels, the country became destroyed and divided in separate parts. Fact.

How will Israelis exit the buffer zones and other occupied areas? Who will make them exit? Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz has stated that Israeli forces will remain in southern Syria "for an indefinite period of time to protect our communities and thwart any threat. So till now you're wrong on this one.

Who says syria is now 1? few days ago HTS warned SDF against delay in integrating into state. So no unification either (yet).

The reconstruction cannot start, they only got 6 billion USD from different countries and organizations. Also 5-10 years rebuilding is extremely optimistic (make it 10-30 years at least).

They need 300 billion USD at least, only received 6 billion USD. The rest, if they receive anything, will be burden/debts.

You're saying Iraq is still not rebuilt and is divided, while being 2.5x times bigger than Syria, 10-20 times more resourceful with a GDP at least 10 times bigger.

So forget about Syria somehow doing better than Iraq. It sounds more like a wish or hope. They will stay in a constant state of occupation and destruction.

 

[battalion25]

Your estimation is over the top let me correct you.

Syria has importance due to it´s geolocation and now that being said.

This New Syria is not partitioned but during Assad regime it was partitioned 3 part but now Syria is unified as SDF has re-joined and Assad gangs were defeated. Hence Syria is technically one know and the Israelis will exit the buffer zone.

As for the rebuilding of Syria the rebels have actully managed to rebuild Idlib which surprised all of Syria? Because they tapped into the Lira currency and flourish for awhile.

The same is gonna happen now.

Cleaning all the destructions in Aleppo, Hama, Homs, Daraa and Eastern Ghouta plus rebuilding it will take 5-10 years. They will build new modern housing units, apartments etc etc. Money is coming from everywhere Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE and Turkey. Assad had broke backers like Russia or Iran with heigh sanctions themselves.

- The military rebuild with much stronger armed forces about 10 times stronger will take as short time as 3-5 years and already taking shape as we speak. The Turks have NATO standard weaponry they will have Syria running quickly unlike Iraq that is still weak and in the ragtag stages compared to Jordan that is militarily formdible.

- The rebuilding of all destructed sectors of the mentions cities will take 5-10 years

- Iraq has not gotten out of poverty and the OIL is ceased by the US and the Kurds in Iraq for protection meaning Iraq is still paying for US protection.

- Syria will be in top shape in as little as 10 years and not to forget Turkey is the second biggest construction superpower in the world just behind China as they are building around the world not only in Africa hence this construction will be rather easy
During Assad Syria was united, economy was growing relatively well, the GDP is way higher. Due to the civil war with foreign backed rebels, the country became destroyed and divided in separate parts. Fact.

How will Israelis exit the buffer zones and other occupied areas? Who will make them exit? Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz has stated that Israeli forces will remain in southern Syria "for an indefinite period of time to protect our communities and thwart any threat. So till now you're wrong on this one.

Who says syria is now 1? few days ago HTS warned SDF against delay in integrating into state. So no unification either (yet).

The reconstruction cannot start, they only got 6 billion USD from different countries and organizations. Also 5-10 years rebuilding is extremely optimistic (make it 10-30 years at least).

They need 300 billion USD at least, only received 6 billion USD. The rest, if they receive anything, will be burden/debts.

You're saying Iraq is still not rebuilt and is divided, while being 2.5x times bigger than Syria, 10-20 times more resourceful with a GDP at least 10 times bigger.

So forget about Syria somehow doing better than Iraq. It sounds more like a wish or hope. They will stay in a constant state of occupation and destruction.

They will under the new agreement in line with the international law that is just a non-topic. He said that months ago.

SDF has signed an agreement to melt into the Syrian armed forces and in the coming months they will hand over the borders and then the oilfields.. Syria is 1.

Iraq is honestly a harsh ass country and Mosul itself which was destroyed 10 years ago is not rebuild.. Iraq is a corrupt country and still under US protection which means it doesn´t trust it´s own armed forces it has to be babysitted.

Besides the US gets share from the OIL in Iraq and so do the Kurds and Partially occupied by Turkey. Iraq is not a paradise or a model country. Syria should not strife to that status or use Iraq as model but rather Jordan or Turkey even Azerbaijan

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

The Prophet ﷺ said:
"A group of my Ummah will remain manifest upon the truth. They will not be harmed by those who forsake them or oppose them until the command of Allah comes, and they will be in Al-Sham."


— Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim
The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said:
"The stronghold of the believers at the time of trials will be in Al-Sham."


— Sunan Abu Dawud (2483)
Sa‘īd ibn Zayd reported that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said:
“Abu Bakr is in Paradise, Umar is in Paradise, Uthman is in Paradise, Ali is in Paradise...” (and the list continues to ten)


— Jami‘ al-Tirmidhi (3747)
The Prophet ﷺ foretold that Umar was the door holding back tribulations. Once broken (not opened), trials would enter.


— Sahih al-Bukhari

Keep Screaming Ummayad Ummayad. lol, meaningless anti sunni sentiment hiding behind supposed criticism of Ummayads. The Jamah is neither of the rejectors nor of the Nasibis.

All this hadiths and words were from before the time that sunni umayyads slaughtered grandchildren of Mohammad no?

If he knew that these close/allied muzlims are just deceiving him and plotting to kill his grandchildren, I wonder what he would think/do/say no?

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Turks; people with small eyes, red faces, and flat noses. Their faces will look like shields coated with leather. The Hour will not be established till you fight with people whose shoes are made of hair."

 

[battalion25]

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Turks; people with small eyes, red faces, and flat noses. Their faces will look like shields coated with leather. The Hour will not be established till you fight with people whose shoes are made of hair."

This has already happened.. It was a near existential event for Muslims and it has come to pass