Taiwan's territorial claims

[MH.Yang]

But, if some country gain control of Mongolia and station large number of troops there, the whole northern half of China is under serious threat as happened in the Soviet era, that's why Deng insisted to Gorbachev that Soviet army had to withdraw from Mongolia as a precondition for normalization of relation between the two countries. So, it's better for China to gain control of Mongolia and North Korea too, better safe than sorry.

I mean Mongolia's only has a population of 3 million and their supplies can't feed an army of tens of thousands. If the troops stationed in Mongolia are not Russian troops, then those troops are effectively hostages surrounded by China and Russia. If it was a Russian army, Russia's Siberian railroad wouldn't be able to supply a huge army that could threaten China. Mongolia's abysmal infrastructure is also unsuitable for mechanized forces. It is actually best suited for cavalry.

 

[Yommie]

It's crazy Taiwan still considers Mongolia as Chinese land.

 

[ety]

I mean Mongolia's only has a population of 3 million and their supplies can't feed an army of tens of thousands. If the troops stationed in Mongolia are not Russian troops, then those troops are effectively hostages surrounded by China and Russia. If it was a Russian army, Russia's Siberian railroad wouldn't be able to supply a huge army that could threaten China. Mongolia's abysmal infrastructure is also unsuitable for mechanized forces. It is actually best suited for cavalry.

In the cold war, there were about 100 K Soviet troops stationed in Mongolia and close to 1 million Soviet troops stationed along all the border regions adjacent to China. The total Russian population in the Russian territories bordering China are over 10 millions now. Even in those days, they did manage the supplies for large number of soldiers in Mongolia and the wider border regions with China, logistics and infra were not problems for the Soviets. The threat from Soviet troops on the borders was the main reason for China to have speedy rapprochement with US in early 1970s. In a sense, Mongolia and North Korea to China are like Belarus and Ukraine to Russia, if not more important.

 

[MH.Yang]

In the cold war, there were about 100 K Soviet troops stationed in Mongolia and close to 1 million Soviet troops stationed along all the border regions adjacent to China. The total Russian population in the Russian territories bordering China are over 10 millions now. Even in those days, they did manage the supplies for large number of soldiers in Mongolia and the wider border regions with China, logistics and infra were not problems for the Soviets. The threat from Soviet troops on the borders was the main reason for China to have speedy rapprochement with US in early 1970s. In a sense, Mongolia and North Korea to China are like Belarus and Ukraine to Russia.

That was the Soviet Union, not Russia, and it was a logistical requirement of the Cold War era, not now.

 

[ety]

That was the Soviet Union, not Russia, and it was a logistical requirement of the Cold War era, not now.

Yes, the relation between Russia and China are very good now indeed. I am only speaking from a purely geographical perspective.

 

[MH.Yang]

Yes, the relation between Russia and China are very good now indeed. I am only speaking from a purely geographical perspective.

I wasn't referring to the relationship between the two countries, which is subject to change. I was referring to the very large gap between Russia's mobilization capabilities and those of the Soviet Union. Secondly, the logistical demands of modern warfare are a far cry from the Cold War. With all due respect, Russia's troop strength in the Far East would likely not even win the city of Mohe now, let alone China's northern military region.

 

[ety]

I wasn't referring to the relationship between the two countries, which is subject to change. I was referring to the very large gap between Russia's mobilization capabilities and those of the Soviet Union. Secondly, the logistical demands of modern warfare are a far cry from the Cold War. With all due respect, Russia's troop strength in the Far East would likely not even win the city of Mohe now, let alone China's northern military region.

Russia has 150 million population, rich natural resources, large piles of nukes, great strategic depth and an advanced defense industry. It's a big and powerful country in many senses. They can reasonably quickly mobilize their resources and industry to develop and deploy a potent force on Chinese borders if they want. In the short to medium term, I don't think Russia is a threat to China though.

 

[Viet]

I wasn't referring to the relationship between the two countries, which is subject to change. I was referring to the very large gap between Russia's mobilization capabilities and those of the Soviet Union. Secondly, the logistical demands of modern warfare are a far cry from the Cold War. With all due respect, Russia's troop strength in the Far East would likely not even win the city of Mohe now, let alone China's northern military region.

there is no russian fighting troops in the far east.
no russian fighting troops along the NATO, either.
Putin deploys all fighting capabilities to Ukraine.
China is safe. Europe is safe.
at least for now.
but should the russians win the war against Ukraine they can rebuild the army and redeploy troops to the borders. they will probably need 5 years.
that’s the assessment in Europe.

 

[MH.Yang]

there is no russian fighting troops in the far east.
no russian fighting troops along the NATO, either.
Putin deploys all fighting capabilities to Ukraine.
China is safe. Europe is safe.
at least for now.
but should the russians win the war against Ukraine they can rebuild the army and redeploy troops to the borders. they will probably need 5 years.
that’s the assessment in Europe.

Yes.

The fact is that Russia's logistical capabilities are incapable of supporting it in a large-scale military operation in the Far East. And China's demographic problems have resulted in the Chinese having no interest in Russian Siberia. So the border between these two countries will be very peaceful for the foreseeable future.

Russia can provide the minerals, oil, and food that China needs. And China is able to provide the industrial goods and dollar-euro foreign exchange that Russia needs. It is difficult to create economic conflicts between these two countries.

On the contrary, Russia and the US are both exporters of minerals, oil, food, and arms. China could not mind choosing either of them, but can their economies talk to each other?

 

[Viet]

Yes.

The fact is that Russia's logistical capabilities are incapable of supporting it in a large-scale military operation in the Far East. And China's demographic problems have resulted in the Chinese having no interest in Russian Siberia. So the border between these two countries will be very peaceful for the foreseeable future.

Russia can provide the minerals, oil, and food that China needs. And China is able to provide the industrial goods and dollar-euro foreign exchange that Russia needs. It is difficult to create economic conflicts between these two countries.

On the contrary, Russia and the US are both exporters of minerals, oil, food, and arms. China could not mind choosing either of them, but can their economies talk to each other?

Russia is not USSR. the russians will never match China economical, conventional military capabilities. Putin’s empire is worth less than Italy.
except cheap oil, gas and propaganda the russians produce nothing

the problem is Russia madness, it’s nuclear potential in combination with millions of lives to spare. Putin can sacrifice 10 millions russians without a blink. can China? you are dealing with a world full of nuts.
close economic ties never stops a war. it was never the case, and will never in the future.

 

[ety]

Russia is not USSR. the russians will never match China economical, conventional military capabilities. Putin’s empire is worth less than Italy.

the problem is Russia madness, it’s nuclear potential in combination with millions of lives to spare. Putin can sacrifice 10 millions russians without a blink. can China?

I don't think Putin is really a mad man. He attacked Ukraine because he could, he knew NATO is basically talks but impotent in front of his large stockpile of nukes.

 

[Viet]

I don't think Putin is really a mad man. He attacked Ukraine because he could, he knew NATO is basically talks but impotent in front of his large stockpile of nukes.

look, I am from Viet Nam. we have seen more madnesses and wars than any country else. I would not rely on thinking or believing. you hand over your country’s survival because of opinions of other?
better you prepare all eventualities.
who give us the guarantee that China, Thailand, Cambodia will not attack us?

 

[ety]

look, I am from Viet Nam. we have seen more madnesses and wars than any country else. I would not rely on thinking or believing. you hand over your country’s survival because of opinions of other?
better you prepare all eventualities.
who give us the guarantee that China, Thailand, Cambodia will not attack us?

Why you drag in Vietnam into the discussion ? We are talking Putin and Russia. If Vietnam doesn't behave naughty being a threat to China as it did before gave military bases to Soviet Union or want domination of SEA, the likelihood China and other SEA countries attacking Vietnam is very low. Be real.

 

[Viet]

Why you drag in Vietnam into the discussion ? We are talking Putin and Russia. If Vietnam doesn't behave naughty being a threat to China as it did before gave military bases to Soviet Union or want domination of SEA, the likelihood China and other SEA countries attacking Vietnam is very low. Be real.

ok I stop here.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Taiwan affirms South China Sea sovereignty after Manila move​

Mon, Aug 03, 2026

The Republic of China (ROC) government yesterday reiterated its sovereignty claim over islands in the South China Sea after the Philippines deposited its official nautical chart with the UN related to an atoll claimed by Manila, Taipei and Beijing.

In addition to reaffirming the ROC’s claim over the South China Sea, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) said any disputes in the South China Sea “should be resolved peacefully in accordance with international law and the law of the sea.”

It also insisted that “Taiwan should be included in multilateral dispute settlement mechanisms.”

Photo: Taipei Times

MOFA’s statement was released after Manila deposited its official nautical chart of Scarborough Shoal with the UN last week to reinforce its claim over the atoll, which lies roughly 220 kilometers from the west coast of central Luzon Island.

“The deposit was made pursuant to Article 16 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS),” the Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs said in a statement on Friday.

The Law of the Sea “requires coastal States to give due publicity to official charts or lists of geographical coordinates showing the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured,” it said.

The chart depicted the outer limits of its 12-nautical-mile territorial sea and 24-nautical-mile contiguous zone around the shoal based on its baseline, which corresponds to the low water line along a coast.

Scarborough Shoal, known as Huangyan Dao in China, Bajo de Masinloc in the Philippines, and Democracy Reef (民主礁) in Taiwan, is claimed by all three governments.

China’s Foreign Ministry said Friday it would not accept the Philippines’ establishment of baselines around Scarborough Shoal, calling the move “illegal and invalid.”

Taiwan affirms South China Sea sovereignty after Manila move - Taipei Times

The Republic of China (ROC) government yesterday reiterated its sovereignty claim over islands in the South China Sea after the Philippines deposited its official nautical chart with the UN related to an atoll claimed by Manila, Taipei and Beijing.In addition to reaffirming the ROC’s claim over t

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