Tang dynasty battles with the caliphate

[SteppeWolff]

I hate to break it to you, but you're an Indian my friend. Not an Uzbek.

Ok Greek, and Im not some larpers friend

 

[MMM-E]

We would rule the Chinese, but the Turks did not enter China , because of fearing assimilation by the enormous Chinese population


The Turks defeated Chinese armies numerous times and conquered vast parts of their territory. However, they made a highly conscious and strategic decision not to settle in China or directly govern its massive population to avoid assimilation.

The Warnings of the Orkhon Inscriptions
The clearest written proof of this policy comes from the Orkhon Inscriptions from the 8th century. The great statesman Bilge Tonyukuk and Emperor Bilge Khagan explicitly warned the Turkic people

-- Do not be deceived by China’s soft silk, sweet words and princesses.

-- If you move into Chinese lands and settle there, you will be outnumbered, absorbed, and lose your Turkic identity.

-- The correct strategy is to stay in the steppes (OTUKEN), maintain military readiness, defeat China from the outside, and make them pay tribute.

 

[MH.Yang]

If the Karluk Turks had stood by China (the Tang Dynasty) instead of change sides , China would have won a decisive victory at the Battle of Talas.

This shift would have fundamentally altered the geopolitical landscape of Asia and the Middle East, rewriting global history

Instead of Islam, Turkish tribes would have largely adopted Buddhism, Confucianism, or Taoism due to deep Chinese cultural hegemony

And Islam might not exist at all in the regions of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh today.
even Anatolia and Balkans

You're wrong. Firstly, the western part of China is the Taklamakan Desert. The Tang Dynasty had a population of 80 million, 570000 professional soldiers, and millions of militia. However, due to the Taklamakan Desert, the Tang Dynasty could only maintain a supply capacity of 20000 troops in Central Asia, otherwise the Tang Dynasty would not have only had a few thousand regular troops to participate in the Battle of Hengros. Under such supply conditions, even if the Tang Dynasty achieved victory in the Battle of Hengluo, it did not have the logistical capability to continue its westward expedition. Secondly, the Tang Dynasty was a Han dynasty, not a Mongol dominated Yuan dynasty. Han people will not occupy land that cannot be completely digested. At the limit of Han Chinese immigration was the Tang Dynasty in Central Asia, where they were not interested in further territories. Thirdly, Confucianism is based on the foundation of the nation. I don't think countries outside of East Asia would accept this idea. China is also not interested in promoting this idea.

 

[Anatolia]

Ok Greek, and Im not some larpers friend

Do you seriously not have anything better to do than try pretend being a Turkic Uzbek and try divide Turks?

 

[MH.Yang]

There was not Xinjiang until 1884
Chinese reoccupied East Turkistan and gave a new name called Xinjiang which means "New Territory" in Chinese.

That was the name chosen by the Manchu rulers of the Qing Dynasty. It was a new territory of the Manchu people, but a traditional territory of the Han ethnic group.

 

[Indos]

Do you seriously not have anything better to do than try pretend being a Turkic Uzbek and try divide Turks?

There are indeed many Uzbek in Pakistans, mostly they are Shiahs, those close to Himalayan mountains

 

[MMM-E]

the Tang Dynasty was a Han dynasty, not a Mongol dominated Yuan dynasty. Han people will not occupy land that cannot be completely digested.

Prior to the Battle of Talas in 751, the Tang Dynasty did conduct military expeditions and interventions in northern India and its border regions.While the Tang Dynasty did not launch a massive, direct invasion force from mainland China with the intent to colonize India

They heavily projected power into the Indian subcontinent through diplomatic crises, alliances, and punitive expeditions

The Extraordinary Expedition of Wang Xuance (648–649 AD)
This is the most direct and famous Tang military intervention deep inside Indian territory.

 

[Anatolia]

There are indeed many Uzbek in Pakistans, mostly they are Shiahs, those close to Himalayan mountains

He is not a Turk. Trust me. Turks do not hate on others for being Sunni or Shia.
Look at Anatolian Turks and Shia Azerbaijanis for example.
And we have Alevi Turks too in Anatolia.
We have no sectarianism.

 

[MMM-E]

Not Chinese but the Turkic Dynasties ruled Indian subcontinent


The Hephthalites, also known as the White Huns
Ghaznavids
The Delhi Sultanate
MUGHAL EMPIRE

The Turkic Dynasties left a deep mark on Indian history for nearly 800 years and were one of the longest-ruling foreign groups in the subcontinent's history.

 

[Indos]

There are indeed many Uzbek in Pakistans, mostly they are Shiahs, those close to Himalayan mountains

Correction, just checking on Gemini, 99% Pakistani Uzbek are Sunni Muslim, what I refer those living in Hunza Valley with Shia majority

 

[MH.Yang]

Prior to the Battle of Talas in 751, the Tang Dynasty did conduct military expeditions and interventions in northern India and its border regions.While the Tang Dynasty did not launch a massive, direct invasion force from mainland China with the intent to colonize India

They heavily projected power into the Indian subcontinent through diplomatic crises, alliances, and punitive expeditions

The Extraordinary Expedition of Wang Xuance (648–649 AD)
This is the most direct and famous Tang military intervention deep inside Indian territory.

Wang Xuance is a diplomat, not a general. He did not invade India, but carried out a retaliatory military operation. The local government of India robbed his diplomatic mission, so he borrowed some troops from Tubo and Nepalese nobles and destroyed some Indian kings.

 

[MMM-E]

What a warlike nation Turkic Peoples were!

We subjugated China, ruled India for 800 years, and Iran for 920 years.
We also made Anatolia our homeland, destroyed the Eastern Roman Empire, conquered deep into Europe, and ruled for centuries.

We also ruled all the Arabs, from Algeria to the Hejaz

 

[MMM-E]

Wang Xuance is a diplomat, not a general. He did not invade India, but carried out a retaliatory military operation. The local government of India robbed his diplomatic mission, so he borrowed some troops from Tubo and Nepalese nobles and destroyed some Indian kings.

in 747 , Tang General Gao Xianzhi led a brilliant military campaign into the Hindu Kush and Pamir Mountains

If that same general had won the Battle of Talas in 751, his next target would have been India

 

[Anatolia]

Correction, just checking on Gemini, 99% Pakistani Uzbek are Sunni Muslim, what I refer those living in Hunza Valley with Shia majority

The sectarianism in this part of the world is mad.
But doesn't exist among Turks.
I assume its same in Indonesia too?

 

[MMM-E]

That was the name chosen by the Manchu rulers of the Qing Dynasty. It was a new territory of the Manchu people, but a traditional territory of the Han ethnic group.

East Turkistan was never a traditional territory of the Han ethnic group

Even the name of the Altay Mountains is Turkish

The True Homeland of Turkic Peoples
For thousands of years, East Turkestan was the cradle of ancient nomadic and sedentary Turkic civilizations. It was ruled by empires like the Xiongnu (Huns), the Göktürks, the Uyghur Khaganate, the Kara-Khanid Khanate, and the Chagatai Khanate