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Nice article for what is after Tempest ..


Yep, makes sense. They do need to lose the generational labeling for a while since most of these are really 5th maybe they can be stretched to 6th like the Tempest but really, the only evolution happening is in the software & sensor related features plus the elimination of the horizontal stabilizers. Hardly a step up from 5th generation aircraft if you think about it. But because of the elimination of the H-stabs is a rather drastic change (despite already seeing it in 5th gen designs with the YF-23 and the X-32), it's still enough once you add all the advancements in computers and sensors. Maybe also some elements of the aerodynamics with those new wing designs maybe a new stealth edge incorporated into the fuselage or something like that or a new intake design. So that's fine we can call that a jump in generation to 6th. Other than that, the next generation beyond that needs to be quite drastic, not modular or as in what could be qualified as basically an upgrade.

That said, a drastic shift to something that can be called 7th gen and beyond would have to really be something like a completely autonomous aircraft which is pretty much what he was saying. Not just unmanned, autonomous as in it thinks for itself. That's an appropriate leap.
 
New Details of Tempest/GCAP unveiled today at Farnborough with new mockups..


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It seems that GCAP has gotten a bit bigger since the last time we saw her, with a delta wing, rather than the cropped affair from before. Does suggest a bias towards range and payload which the UK and Japan need for their theatres. Not sure Italy has the same requirement but i guess their approach is to accept the compromise to protect their industry by being a tier 1 partner in this programme.

The cockpit canopy seems abit smaller aswell - guess compromise for its role and range requirements and a move away from pure agility/dogfighting to a long range standoff platform.

We should be 2 years away from the first flying prototype.
 
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I guess, they don't want to commit to a high-risk project like Tempest when WW III is right around the corner, according to the British Military.
 
Never happening as the UK wants indigenous fighter aircraft technology capability.

With Italy and Japan onboard, the development and unit costs will be affordable for the UK.

Yes saw this and Stammer committed to continuing the project on a live television interview. He also said diplomatically there would be fallout for the UK if we backed down now.
We also learnt from the US when they refused software codes for the F-35. Best to go our own way now.
 
Yes saw this and Stammer committed to continuing the project on a live television interview. He also said diplomatically there would be fallout for the UK if we backed down now.
We also learnt from the US when they refused software codes for the F-35. Best to go our own way now.

This aircraft would be comparable to anything that the US and China come up with in the 2030s.

Franco-German plane would be 2nd rate.

Buying from US would be either more F-35s or an export version of the NGAD that will again be 2nd best.

With Japan onboard and the fact this plane will also have a naval version, that is already 7-800 planes just from the 3 partner nations.
 
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The FB-22 was proposed decades ago and the resemblance is a little there.
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But at the end with the state of BVR weapons, HOBs, DEW the need to be super maneuverable (relatively) has disappeared and instead providing payload - maneuvering and range balance is paramount
 
The FB-22 was proposed decades ago and the resemblance is a little there.
lockheed_martin_fb_22_strike_raptor_by_aircraftfan32849_dfi01j4-pre.jpg


But at the end with the state of BVR weapons, HOBs, DEW the need to be super maneuverable (relatively) has disappeared and instead providing payload - maneuvering and range balance is paramount

The requirements are driven by :

a) the need to challenge China by Japan
b) the need to challenge China by the UK (sigh .. )
c) I do see australia as a potential off the shelf purchaser of this platform for China too.

All of the countries need long-range for their requirements, so it is a meeting of minds.
 

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