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[Ali_Baba]

French media: Spain may buy Turkish Kaan stealth fighters

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According to French media reports, Spain may move towards purchasing the Turkish national fifth-generation fighter “Kaan” to enhance its defense capabilities. Reports indicate that this step may bring about a change in the balance of strategic defense in Europe.

The Turkish “Kaan” fighter program is receiving wide international attention, especially in light of the challenges that Madrid faces in making its decision regarding the F-35 program. The decision on this program is going through a period of political uncertainty, while Spain continues to face difficulties in the “Future Combat Air System” (FCAS) project in which it participates with France and Germany. Because of these obstacles, the Spanish government is looking for multiple alternatives.

The French news website Avia News reported, citing its sources, that the Spanish government may be moving towards adopting the Turkish fighter 'Kaan' as a distinct option from both a technical and strategic standpoint. The current cooperation framework between Spain and Turkey constitutes a basic pillar to support this trend.

The report highlights the possibility of the two countries cooperating in developing a fifth-generation fighter, including the jet engine used in the Kaan. According to the Spanish magazine Defensa y Seguridad, both TUSAŞ and ITP Aero may develop the engine, enhancing Türkiye's capabilities in aeronautical engine technology. It is worth noting that Spain last year chose the Hürjet training aircraft produced by TUSAŞ, and purchased 18 units of it.

If Turkieye follows the same approach to the development of the JF17, ie seperates the software for the plaform away from the mission computers and EW, then Turkieye can offer Spain the opportunity to develop and deploy their own mission computers, radars and EW equipment for their own variant of KAAN but have the same core platform as Turkieye for the Kaan.

 

[Oublious]

Journalist "Ali Al-Shahabi" commenting on the American questions regarding Saudi Arabia's interest in the Turkish fifth-generation aircraft "KAAN":

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's interest in the project stems from its pursuit of technology transfer and enhancing local manufacturing, alongside the economic advantages represented by lower production costs compared to Western options.

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The funny part of the story is most of the Arabs thinks they are going to make Kaan in ther own country. The thing is they will build licence in ther own country some parts, they can make, if they have the industry. Kaan structure is made off Composite material and Titianium. I do not think they have the knowhow about aviations at that level.

Still what comes after making parts is important, that wher abition starts. What is our level of knowledge and what can we make. Like when Aselsan started, what can we make in our own country, that was walkie talkies. Transfor of technology is pipe dream....

 

[Oublious]

If Turkieye follows the same approach to the development of the JF17, ie seperates the software for the plaform away from the mission computers and EW, then Turkieye can offer Spain the opportunity to develop and deploy their own mission computers, radars and EW equipment for their own variant of KAAN but have the same core platform as Turkieye for the Kaan.

Of course not, they can start ther own fighter program better.

 

[hyperman]

If Turkieye follows the same approach to the development of the JF17, ie seperates the software for the plaform away from the mission computers and EW, then Turkieye can offer Spain the opportunity to develop and deploy their own mission computers, radars and EW equipment for their own variant of KAAN but have the same core platform as Turkieye for the Kaan.

Spain doesn't really want that, b/c it defeats the purpose, the computers and avionics are the aircraft. The body itself is not difficult to produce, and the engines can be bought off the shelf. If they were to develop their entire electronics suite for the aircraft, might as well build your own aircraft.

 

[Eşbah]

Et si l’Espagne se tournait vers le KAAN ?

Madrid n’arrive pas à se décider sur le F-35 pour des raisons politiques et le programme SCAF avec la France et l’Allemagne tourne au vinaigre. Il reste une dernière option pour l’Espagne, sa collaboration avec la Turquie déjà bien engagée.

www.avianews.ch

What if Spain turned to KAAN?

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Madrid can’t make up the way for the F-35 for political reasons and the SCAF program with France and Germany is turning sour. There is still one last option for Spain, its collaboration with Turkey already well underway.

 

[hyperman]

Et si l’Espagne se tournait vers le KAAN ?

Madrid n’arrive pas à se décider sur le F-35 pour des raisons politiques et le programme SCAF avec la France et l’Allemagne tourne au vinaigre. Il reste une dernière option pour l’Espagne, sa collaboration avec la Turquie déjà bien engagée.

www.avianews.ch

What if Spain turned to KAAN?

Editor's photo: Avia news
Avia news
4 days ago
3 min of reading

Madrid can’t make up the way for the F-35 for political reasons and the SCAF program with France and Germany is turning sour. There is still one last option for Spain, its collaboration with Turkey already well underway.

They would get the most amount of workshare if they went with Turkey. F-35s is just a off the shelf purchase, FCAS is a long way away, and doubtful between France and Germany if they leave anything significant to produce for Spain. Depending on how many Jets Spain wants, there could be production lines in Spain, and far more customization than they would get in other options, and the Engine development is technically still open.

 

[Ali_Baba]

They would get the most amount of workshare if they went with Turkey. F-35s is just a off the shelf purchase, FCAS is a long way away, and doubtful between France and Germany if they leave anything significant to produce for Spain. Depending on how many Jets Spain wants, there could be production lines in Spain, and far more customization than they would get in other options, and the Engine development is technically still open.

Will be interesting to see how the USA reacts the KAAN programme now, with what they may have once thought was a F-35 customer.

KAAN may well become a serious alternative in Europe itself to the F-35 programme, esp if it can pull of the local engine.

I don't think Europe has an engine in the class of the F110 engine, which would make things easier for the programme.

Spain scraps plans to buy F-35 fighter jets

Spain has shelved plans to purchase F-35 fighter aircraft, Spanish newspaper El País reported today. Preliminary contacts for the purchase of the fifth-generation American stealth fighters have bee…

www.politico.eu

 

[Aziqbal]

my bet

Will be interesting to see how the USA reacts the KAAN programme now, with what they may have once thought was a F-35 customer.

KAAN may well become a serious alternative in Europe itself to the F-35 programme, esp if it can pull of the local engine.

I don't think Europe has an engine in the class of the F110 engine, which would make things easier for the programme.

Spain scraps plans to buy F-35 fighter jets

Spain has shelved plans to purchase F-35 fighter aircraft, Spanish newspaper El País reported today. Preliminary contacts for the purchase of the fifth-generation American stealth fighters have bee…

www.politico.eu

my bet is lost of American political pressure

 

[Deino]

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[Deino]

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[Merzifonlu]

I measured the pixels. The reduction in length is half a meter, not a meter. The wingspan has also increased by half a meter. So 20.5m X 14.5m

 

[xbat]

they had presented this image long time ago. i placed some in drawing. result may astonished

 

[JamD]

Via @DogutCem


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Five obvious differences I can see:
1. The aileron and flap hinge being common (which I have posted on earlier as well but somehow all Turkish members chose to ignore)
2. The horizontal tail trailing edge is cropped with an extra edge
3. The flat region between the wing and horizontal tail is much bigger
4. The engine nacelles (if you can call it that) are much more suppressed with the top of the fuselage much less flattened than p0*
5. All the control surfaces hinges have additional flexible surfaces presumably for stealth reasons.

Again congratulations to the Turkish people!

 

[Ali_Baba]

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they had presented this image long time ago. i placed some in drawing. result may astonished
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I would say at this point, it is an unknown if it have that many BVR missiles, ie I am not sure the front weapon bay is that large. We will find out when it goes for a test flight i think.

 

[hyperman]

it is an unknown if it have that many BVR missiles, ie I am not sure the front weapon bay is that large.

Oh the bays are massive. they widened the gap between the two engines and its a very large aircraft already.