TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[BonPlan]

If the US doesn't supply the engine, they will lose Turkey; they cannot risk this.

Do you think Turkey is not focusing on its own engine!

Why? USA can continue to supply F16, and maybe F35.

 

[MMM-E]

why a half generation gained ?
It will be a miracle if you succeed in copy & paste F110.

Even F-110 is superior to French M-88 Engine

And TF-35.000 is 5th gen engine to compare with old technology 4th gen F-110 Engine

1-- supercruise capability
TF-35.000 : YES
F-110 : NO

2 -- Power and Thrust
TF-35.000 : 35.000 lbf
F-110 : 29.000 lbf

3 -- Advanced Materials and Stealth
TF-35.000 : Utilizes high-temperature resistant superalloys, advanced thermal barrier coatings, and innovative cooling technologies.

F-110 : Built primarily with older metallurgy, utilizing standard titanium and nickel alloys

 

[MMM-E]

why a half generation gained ?

Because of some features belonging to the 6th generation.

1 -- full data-to-decision (D2D) capability
MUM-T concept with KIZILELMA and ANKA-III unmanned stealth platforms

2 -- Artificial Intelligence (AI) integration
High-capacity networking , AI, data fusion
Artificial Intelligence Co-pilot
Pilot Health Tracking

3 -- DIRCM ( LASER Weapon )

 

[Bengal71]

If the US doesn't supply the engine, they will lose Turkey; they cannot risk this.

Do you think Turkey is not focusing on its own engine!

They will not lose Turkey. Turkey will be disgruntled but will suck it up. The US knows this.

 

[MMM-E]

They will not lose Turkey. Turkey will be disgruntled but will suck it up. The US knows this.

Some people's desires will be unfulfilled.
Turkiye will get both the F-35 and F-110 Engines ...

1 -- F-110 engines approved by Congress.
2 -- Congress is not involved in the F-35 process

TBMM National Defense Committee Chairman Hulusi Akar
"We are returning to the program. We are not in the position of being just an F-35 buyer. We have responsibilities in the program, including our parts manufacturing tasks, and we will fulfill them"

 

[Bengal71]

Some people's desires will be unfulfilled.
Turkiye will get both the F-35 and F-110 Engines ...

1 -- F-110 engines approved by Congress.
2 -- Congress is not involved in the F-35 process

TBMM National Defense Committee Chairman Hulusi Akar
"We are returning to the program. We are not in the position of being just an F-35 buyer. We have responsibilities in the program, including our parts manufacturing tasks, and we will fulfill them"

Great if it works out.

 

[BonPlan]

Because of some features belonging to the 6th generation.

1 -- full data-to-decision (D2D) capability
MUM-T concept with KIZILELMA and ANKA-III unmanned stealth platforms

2 -- Artificial Intelligence (AI) integration
High-capacity networking , AI, data fusion
Artificial Intelligence Co-pilot
Pilot Health Tracking

3 -- DIRCM ( LASER Weapon )

You were speaking of the new engine.....

 

[MMM-E]

You were speaking of the new engine.....

İf Russian SU-57 and Chinese J-35 are 5th gen Fighters
then KAAN with the interim F-110 Engine 5th gen Fighter too

If Russia's Su-57 and China's J-35 are accepted into the 5th gen club despite their engine limitations, the KAAN belongs there too

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With the TF-35.000 5th gen engine KAAN will become true 5th gen Fighter

and KAAN will become 5,5th gen Fighter with some features belonging to the 6th gen ( full data-to-decision (D2D) capability , MUM-T , Artificial Intelligence (AI) integration and DIRCM )

 

[Pokemonte13]

6th gen is currently a bit watery lacking keen distinction between 5th and 6th gen. overall when deciding what is 5th and 6th gen i would only concentrate on physical characteristics that are hard to change/improve

 

[BonPlan]

İf Russian SU-57 and Chinese J-35 are 5th gen Fighters
then KAAN with the interim F-110 Engine 5th gen Fighter too

If Russia's Su-57 and China's J-35 are accepted into the 5th gen club despite their engine limitations, the KAAN belongs there too

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With the TF-35.000 5th gen engine KAAN will become true 5th gen Fighter

and KAAN will become 5,5th gen Fighter with some features belonging to the 6th gen ( full data-to-decision (D2D) capability , MUM-T , Artificial Intelligence (AI) integration and DIRCM )

The sole engine effect in 5th gen (but lacks in the F-35 case despite the own LM definition) is super cruise.
If your KAAN can supercruise with F110, and if it is stealth, have sensor fusion and is as agile as a legacy F16, it is a 5th gen jet.
Giving it a new engine will never made it a 5,5 or 6th gen.

 

[Sinan]

One of them spoke about HAVASOJ and shared this amazing information
he said that HAVASOJ, which is more capable than US and Israeli systems and it can jam enemy radars from 400 km away

That's treason, you don't disclose information about your systems' information to public. Or else enemy will plan inaccordingly.

Anyways, i don't think you are even capable of understanding the words that come out of their mouth. I seriously doubt that you even know Turkish in the first place.

 

[Sinan]

The Gen things you talk about are defined by USA. 6th Gen has not been defined yet.

And we don't need to follow US path in every corner we turn. Their approach and our approach is different. They use Ghost Bat like missile carrier, we use Kızılelma as tip of the spear. Our understanding of 6th Gen can be different from US understanding.

 

[MMM-E]

True 6th gen Fighter


Tailless design for extreme stealth
Variable-cycle engine
Artificial intelligence (AI)
Virtual Cockpits
Multi-Domain Command
Full data-to-decision (D2D) capability ( MUM-T )
DIRCM

The first country to be able to combine all of these would be USA

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And the operational use of unmanned fighter Jets in the MUM-T concept will evolve according to the technological level and requirements of each Country

 

[MMM-E]

Giving it a new engine will never made it a 5,5 or 6th gen.

5th gen Fighter
All-Aspect Stealth
Sensor Fusion
Supercruise
Network-Centric Warfare
Extreme Maneuverability

The F-35 does not have true supercruise capability
The F-35 doesnt have extreme maneuverability

The F-35 has advanced sensor fusion and more stealth capability to compare with Russian SU-57 and Chinese J-20

F-35 : 0.001 m² to 0.005 m²
J-20 : 0.01 m² to 0.05 m²
SU-57 : 0.1 m² to 0.5 m²

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Not the TF-35.000 engine
but some features belonging to the 6th gen ( full data-to-decision (D2D) capability , MUM-T , Artificial Intelligence (AI) integration and DIRCM ) will made the KAAN a 5,5th gen