The Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict

[Foinikas]

It calls for the "reunification of armenian and Karabakh" and also rejects the Armenia Turkey border by making references to "Western Armenia". The Armenian government pre 2020 had avoided "an explicit and formal recognition of the existing Turkish-Armenian border." And their presidents had made several references in talks to "Western Armenia" needing to be "restored".

Inshaallah it will be reunited.

And are you suggesting that Turkey should make claims for areas outside of its internationally recognized territories Foiny?

Turkey is already doing that,hypy.

And unlike Armenia, the Turks are far stronger than Greece and the Geography even favors Turkey if Turkey decided that some islands should be Turkey's. You really want to go down that route despite treaties Turkey signed? lol

And Greece isn't Armenia,you might end up bleeding to get what you want or either dragging more countries against you. You sure you wanna try? lol

 

[SolarWarden]

Just give it to me straight.... Is another war coming?

 

[Foinikas]

Just give it to me straight.... Is another war coming?

Probably not in Armenia

 

[hyperman]

Inshaallah it will be reunited.


Turkey is already doing that,hypy.


And Greece isn't Armenia,you might end up bleeding to get what you want or either dragging more countries against you. You sure you wanna try? lol

Foinikas, I know you like to trolls, but if a war actually breaks out, I'd love to see how the Greeks hold on to islands that are a stone's closer to Anatolia than to Athens in the Dodecanese , let along islands like Meis. There Islands are practically empty and full of old people and foreigners. Do you seriously think it would turn out well?

I get it that you hate Turks, but its extremely foolish to go picking a fight for Greece.

 

[hyperman]

Just give it to me straight.... Is another war coming?

No, atleast not with Armenia involved. Momentum seem to be going towards expanding relations, not tensions.

 

[Qaraca]

And Greece isn't Armenia,

I’m confused. Seems like you have a grasp of "balance of power", then your comments are even more incomprehensible. Because it’s always based on what some delusional ultra-nationalist Armenian wish or want or think.

Let me ask you something,if in 1922 Turks lost and Turkey was confined in a small territory or you can imagine it in a modern scenario,let's just say Turkey is confined to 1/5 of what is it now,would be eager to cooperate and restore relations with all those who smashed you? Or if you heard Erdogan or whoever would be president,go on about how we need peace and we forget about our old places and we must start trading with Greeks,Americans,Jews,Arabs,Russians...whoever. How would that sit on you? i'm curious,I'm just curious about it. If you heard suffered a defeat worse than WWI and were confined to a small part of what is now Central Turkey,how would it have sounded if you had Erdogan rush to say "yes,we'll give you the entire Black Sea coastline too,even if you didn't take all of it,we'll give you the south coastline too. Let's start cooperating,let's be friendly,let's start trading.

Karabakh was never a part of modern-day Armenian state. And I don’t only mean post-Soviet state, but 1918 Armenian republic. Both Armenia and Azerbaijan was established in 1918.

When Armenia and Azerbaijan joined USSR, the borders became what each party controlled at the time. Nakhchivan was actually controlled by local Azerbaijanis, and Zengezur (Syunik, the southern part of Armenia between mainland Azerbaijan and Nakhchivan) was controlled by Armenians.

In Karabakh, Shusha (the capital of Karabakh at the time) was controlled by Azerbaijani army, although there was a rebellion by Armenian population in other parts of Karabakh. Still, the overall controll was with Azerbaijani forces.

 

[hyperman]

I’m confused. Seems like you have a grasp of "balance of power", then your comments are even more incomprehensible. Because it’s always based on what some delusional ultra-nationalist Armenian wish or want or think.

He is like one of those clowns in a Bar who keeps egging on his friend to go take a shot at that big dude sitting in the corner, hyping him up that he can take him, so the poor fool goes and picks a fight, and then then the "friends" looks the other way to hide, while his friend proceeds to get beaten up.

 

[Foinikas]

Foinikas, I know you like to trolls, but if a war actually breaks out, I'd love to see how the Greeks hold on to islands that are a stone's closer to Anatolia than to Athens in the Dodecanese , let along islands like Meis. There Islands are practically empty and full of old people and foreigners. Do you seriously think it would turn out well?

I get it that you hate Turks, but its extremely foolish to go picking a fight for Greece.

Where am I trolling?

When did I say I "hate Turks"? Do you hate Greeks? Did I speak of invasions? You're either ignorant or you selectively forget what I post about. And I've always been saying and pointing out that Greece's doctrine is purely defensive. On the contrary,your kin is the one making claims against us,while promoting is as "we only want peace,but we also will protect our rights and our rights are half your country".

 

[Foinikas]

I’m confused. Seems like you have a grasp of "balance of power", then your comments are even more incomprehensible. Because it’s always based on what some delusional ultra-nationalist Armenian wish or want or think.

Man..ignore hyperman idiotic comment-yes @hyperman your comment about me and bar clowns is idiotic-and hear me out. Understand what I'm saying:

Armenia is done for. They can't fight. They lost most of their equipment in the last war,they lost more of the territory they were to defend,they have little money,they have no actual allies in the region anymore. The Americans and EU can't get there without approval from Turkey,Russia,Georgia,Azerbaijan,Iran and that isn't happening. Azerbaijan is stronger and Turkey has become a colossus compared to Armenia.

But a President or Prime Minister can't go around talking against the declaration of independence and everything patriotic. He can't go around criticizing that. He could have left the subject. Even at its peak in the '90s and 2000s,could Armenia ever take even Naxichevan? Forget "Western Armenia" or the rest of NK Oblast that Azerbaijan used to hold in the 2000s. Even Naxhichevan,could they do it? No.

By condemning everything patriotic though,Pashinyan makes his government look even more defeatist,traitorous and makes it feel as if the guy is trying to make Armenia a vilyaet of Turkey uniting Azerbaiian.

Come,think if Aliyev said in the 2000s "forget Karabag,it's only nationalist dreams,forget Zanzegur corridor,forget Naxichevan,we must work with the Armenians and start trading and visiting each other,we must have more relations with Ermeniler,we must forget the past".

 

[MMM-E]

He is like one of those clowns in a Bar who keeps egging on his friend to go take a shot at that big dude sitting in the corner, hyping him up that he can take him, so the poor fool goes and picks a fight, and then then the "friends" looks the other way to hide, while his friend proceeds to get beaten up.

Bro , There is no other nation on earth as daydreamer as this one.

They have no power whatsoever, yet they chase after impossible dreams, and then they cry when they get beaten up by the Turks ( 1922 , 1974 , 1996 )

 

[hyperman]

Bro , There is no other nation on earth as daydreamer as this one.

They have no power whatsoever, yet they chase after impossible dreams, and then they cry when they get beaten up by the Turks ( 1922 , 1974 , 1996 )

They really think they can take Turkey in a fight, a nation whose entire population is smaller than the population of Istanbul. A nation where the average age is the oldest in europe, a nation, a nation which one of the lowest birth rates in Europe, where they need to rely of foreign labour b/c they don't have a significant domestic workforce. No real defense industry, not manufacturing, with most of their population living across the Aegean in the Balkan peninsula and the Islands empty or with retirees. All because someone gave them a few used Rafales.

Some daddy has promised them that they will be there to fight the Turks for them or something. lol

So eager to break the status quo, so eager to show Turkey how tough they are, as if Turkey would somehow cower to them and their daddies, so eager to be the foot soldiers for the zionists and others.

 

[Qaraca]

Come,think if Aliyev said in the 2000s "forget Karabag,it's only nationalist dreams,forget Zanzegur corridor,forget Naxichevan,we must work with the Armenians and start trading and visiting each other,we must have more relations with Ermeniler,we must forget the past".

This comparison still makes no sense.

Had Azerbaijan taken Syunik, and Pashinyan said those things, then you could have a point. The logic here is very simple: Everyone stays within their internationally recognized borders. Otherwise, perpetual conflict is guaranteed.

 

[Starlord]

Probably not in Armenia

That's good, the last thing world needs is yet another war...

 

[Foinikas]

This comparison still makes no sense.

Had Azerbaijan taken Syunik, and Pashinyan said those things, then you could have a point. The logic here is very simple: Everyone stays within their internationally recognized borders. Otherwise, perpetual conflict is guaranteed.

Armenia wouldn't wage a war to...restore Western Armenia or march to,I don't know what else,anyway. Not even in the 2000s could they do it,they could never do it,fighting Turkey on their own is suicide. But we're talking about foundations,declaration of independence,
it's like Pashinyan constantly tramples on the memory and sacrifices of Armenians of a hundred years.

A small example on something a little bit similar. Bolivia had access to the sea. They lost their access to the sea in the War of the Pacific more than a hundred years ago. Chile officially annexed that part which is now considered northern Chile,bordering Peru,in 1904. Bolivia never forgot this and they kept a small naval force,mainly in Lake Tikitaka,to remind them of their aspirations to some day,somehow get an exit to the sea. Have they tried to take it by war for 120 years? No. They are being realistic. They wouldn't have a chance against Chile in a war anyway. So it all goes to diplomacy and deals. My point is,you may not plan wars or have irridentist plans,but you can't trample on a patriotic idea,something that shaped a nation at some point.

 

[hyperman]

My point is,you may not plan wars or have irridentist plans,but you can't trample on a patriotic idea,something that shaped a nation at some point.

Brother, Armenians even in their fantasy maps have no black sea access.