The Case for Pakistan as a Civilizational State

[ThunderCat]

Well Iran was never colonized. They kept their culture and system for a longer time.
And that explains why even to this day they don't get along with western powers and facing sanctions and war. They are very proud people who cant be subdued. Not like pakistan where US and other western powers has a huge influence in decision making.

They have a much smaller & sustainable population along with huge energy resources.

That is not what Pakistan is. It's population is still growing and it's resources depleting.

You are comparing a middle income country to a poor country.

 

[Master Chief]

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Neither was Saudi Arabia

Why are you spreading such illiterate content?

 

[Master Chief]

ancient civilization ?? Any scripts we can decipher, any kings or empires centered on modern Pakistan

just a bunch of settlements

Yes actually. They also ate lots of beef. Might have gotten lynched by certain zealot communities if they were still around today.

 

[Master Chief]

Read my post again. Gazi Mustafa Kemal introduced a modified Latin alphabet. I proposed a modified Scythian alphabet. The Scythian languages were Iranic, so they were near cousins to our modern languages.

Scythian alphabet:
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But why?

Barring a latinisation effort, for reasons similar to Ataturk's in house reforms, why would Pakistanis just chop and change script willy nilly? It makes little sense to me. Either retain persio-arabised script or switch to latinised.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Read my post again. Gazi Mustafa Kemal introduced a modified Latin alphabet. I proposed a modified Scythian alphabet. The Scythian languages were Iranic, so they were near cousins to our modern languages.

Scythian alphabet:
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Lol that looks way more difficult than Urdu alphabet. The goal is to make learning of Urdu easier but that's a alphabet unknown to all Pakistanis. I bet no one will even bother to learn that alphabet. Even looking at that alphabet made my head spin lol.

 

[El Sidd]

Lol that looks way more difficult than Urdu alphabet. The goal is to make learning of Urdu easier but that's a alphabet unknown to all Pakistanis. I bet no one will even bother to learn that alphabet. Even looking at that alphabet made my head spin lol.

It's an old elitist ploy to keep communication and knowledge within a particular community.

 

[nahtanbob]

When you parade these civilizations as if they were your own, you glorify them. But once reminded they were situated in Pakistan, they become "just a bunch of settlements."

Do the people living in those settlements have a name for those settlements ?

 

[nahtanbob]

Why are you spreading such illiterate content?

Was Saudi Arabia ever colonized ?

 

[nahtanbob]

Yes actually. They also ate lots of beef. Might have gotten lynched by certain zealot communities if they were still around today.

okay. that is your bar

 

[Master Chief]

Was Saudi Arabia ever colonized ?

The house of Saud itself was raised by a coloniser to oust a rival coloniser.

Are you for real this illiterate??

 

[Master Chief]

okay. that is your bar

What was you bar?

"Can script be deciphered saar?? If not, it cannot be civilisation saar!"

 

[Watandar]

That's only the elite class. And this English wannbe-mentality I see most in mostly in Sindh province amongst Sindhis & Muhajir ethnic groups, which the middle class and lower classes try to emulate on.

Sindhis & Muhajirs (various ethnicities) are the most white-washed people in Pakistan i find.

But British cultural influence in Pakistan exceeds that. For example our law enforcement agencies are of British origin.

It was only recently that I learned the khaki brown & black police uniforms are of British heritage.

Not all British influence was bad. They even contributed to our linguistic heritage by contributing to our indiignious linguistic heritage.

It was not them who imposed English on us but our corrupt elite class.

I mean i am English speaking, but still proud of my cultural and linguistic heritage.

When I speak Lashkari, i speak it without inserting English. I am proud of who I am and my heritage.

I am probably the proudest and patriotic Pakistani on Earth.

I agree that people from Karachi are the most America-obsessed in all of Pakistan. I don't think that's limited to any middle class or upper class ethnic group though as they are all part of the Karachi area culture.

But regarding young folks speaking and preferring English, that trend may have began in Karachi in the 1980's but by now has spread to all of the Pakistani middle and upper class. The two big factors have been the Internet and emigration from Pakistan, for which English is necessary.

 

[r3alist]

 

[ThunderCat]

I agree that people from Karachi are the most America-obsessed in all of Pakistan. I don't think that's limited to any middle class or upper class ethnic group though as they are all part of the Karachi area culture.

But regarding young folks speaking and preferring English, that trend may have began in Karachi in the 1980's but by now has spread to all of the Pakistani middle and upper class. The two big factors have been the Internet and emigration from Pakistan, for which English is necessary.

A lot of Karachi folks are also mullah types and even worship Arabs. Surprisingly i've also spotted it in Sindhis.

Or its a bit of both. I've seen this two. Mullah class families living in medieval ages while sticking English words into their speech when they already got indigenous words for it.

Then I see a video vlog "Pakistani mum in Finland." Mullah type woman but speaking gutter-style Lashkari.

Polluting it with English and articulating so informally yet committed to her extreme religious lifestyle. Weirdos.

 

[ThunderCat]

Do the people living in those settlements have a name for those settlements ?

At least it's good to see you displaying your ***** flag despite hiding behind an Amreeki name all this time.