The Egyptian-Turkish alliance.. Cairo and Ankara are moving towards a new Middle East through the “KAAN” stealth aircraft project

Arabs can not create an advanced Defense Industry themselves ,

Why? That is a very racist thing to say .... I am shocked you have said this.

Nobody ( USA-Europe ) will give most critical technologies to Arabs

Technologies are a function of hard work and investment, I see no reason why the "Arabs" as you put it, cannot do it themselves. The"Arabs" have invested in a university networkf or core R&D, they are building the manufacturing infrastructure via TOT, and eventually design houses will come into play that can actually build local systems.

They haven't started anything either.

They have. They have started joint projects with Pakistan, and they have also started to ask for TOT and local manufacturing in their countries for weapons procurements. This is the same path that Turkieye took to build up their own local industry.

Arabs are still spending hundreds of billions of dollars on useless American weapons .... ( in a war American weapons wont work against Israel )

Yes - it is not an off switch that you push and it all of a sudden happen. It will take years to get to where they need to.

instead of working with Turkiye

Türkiye is one of many countries that they can work with, right?
 
I feel that the alliance with these 4 powerhouse(in their own might) would be the best thing to happen for the muslim world......
KSA, Egypt, Turkiye, Pakistan and others......together we can be a force of good in the world, and work for our collective interests and cooperation.

Israel, as expected, is already terrified of such an alliance.
They really don't like Pakistan as it has the nukes and a battle-hardered military and people who really will never tolerate israel or ever warm upto it.
The alliance is not going to realise its full potential until the treacherous little Abraham accords signatory sheikhdoms of UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait etc. are not reined in. They UAE and Oman in particular need to be ‘spoken’ to as they facilitate and provide bases to IL and Indians..
 
Why? That is a very racist thing to say .... I am shocked you have said this.

I am not talking about genetics
I'm talking about dependency

Turkiye has been struggling to break this dependency for 50 years and has paid a heavy price ( military coups by 1960 , 1971, 1980 ,1997,2016 )

They need at least 50 years and determined and courageous leaders
 
Türkiye is one of many countries that they can work with, right?

Not many
except Turkiye , Nobody can give critical technologies to Arabs

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USA blocked sale of PATRIOT to Turkiye and France ( MACRON ) blocked EUROSAM to work with Turkiye for developing long range Air Defense System

and Turkiye itself has developed SIPER , HISAR and other Air Defense Systems

Do you think USA , France , Russia , China will give Air Defense System technologies to S.Arabia or Egypt ?


The same applies to manned - unmanned Fighter Jets, Engines, Submarines, Destroyer, Satellites , Quantum Radars , hypersonic systems , advanced missile technologies , ICBM , EW Systems and many more
 

Egypt is no longer satisfied with purchasing weapons and aircraft. Rather, it is moving today towards a different stage based on industrialization and industrial partnership, even with former regional adversaries, most notably Turkey, which is leading an ambitious project to develop the fifth generation fighter known as “Kaan” (or Qaan), a project in which Cairo today has become a partner, in a development that opens the door to questions about the backgrounds of this rapprochement and the regional repercussions it may have, especially on Israel.

Fifth-generation stealth fighters are an advanced symbol of air power and sovereignty, and they are systems that are not easily given and sold only under strict conditions, even to the closest allies. However, Egypt seems to be stepping directly into this exclusive club, not only as a buyer, but as a partner in manufacturing and development, in a step that represents a qualitative shift in its modern military history, as it represents Cairo’s first direct entry into an international project to develop a fifth generation fighter, which means its transition from the import and assembly stage to the field of high-tech manufacturing.

This shift also reflects a degree of relative freedom from dependence on the West and Russia for its air armament. Cairo already possesses a diverse fleet that includes American F-16 aircraft, and French aircraft such as the Rafale, in addition to previous efforts to acquire the Russian Sukhoi Su-35. However, all of these platforms do not provide full stealth capabilities, and they remain linked to restrictions on armament, spare parts, and political use.

On the other hand, engaging in the Kan project gives Egypt for the first time access to the heart of advanced military technology, with possibilities for transferring industrial and engineering knowledge, especially since Turkey produces a large percentage of its fighter components locally, including radar and electronic warfare systems. This cooperation is also in line with a broader Egyptian trend to modernize defense industries and localize technology, which also appears in other partnerships such as cooperation with South Korea in the K2 tank project and with Italy in manufacturing frigates.

When moving to the characteristics of the fighter itself, the Kaan project is not just a development of a new aircraft, but rather a Turkish strategic project that aims to break the monopoly of fighters such as the American F-35, the Russian Su-57, and the Chinese J-20. This fighter is close in philosophy to the capabilities of the F-35, but it is designed to be more independent in modernization and operation, giving partner countries greater flexibility away from Western political restrictions.

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Its most prominent features include a locally made AESA radar capable of tracking more than 20 targets simultaneously with high accuracy, advanced electronic warfare systems capable of jamming and influencing an opponent’s defenses, in addition to a cockpit equipped with a smart helmet system that provides a panoramic view and real-time information, as well as network capabilities that allow direct communication with drones and air defense systems, in addition to an internal stealth design that reduces the radar footprint by reducing the attachment points for external weapons.

As for the production level, the main manufacturing takes place in the facilities of the Turkish Aerospace Industries Company in Ankara, with possibilities to establish a production line or partial assembly in Egypt if the agreement includes a special section for industrial cooperation, similar to the Egyptian-Korean model in the K2 project.

With this development, the question arises about the future of the Egyptian Air Force, as this accession means that any future air threat may face a more advanced system with the ability to conceal and strike from a long range, which may put Egypt within one decade in a position that allows it to match advanced regional air capabilities, including Israel and some European powers, which reflects a shift in Egyptian military doctrine from conventional defense to advanced deterrence.

Egypt's accession to the Qan project does not appear to be just industrial cooperation, but may indicate a broader strategic shift, as Turkey needs a strong regional partner to support its ambitious defense project. It also benefits from Egypt's entry in strengthening the political legitimacy of the project and opening new markets, while Ankara obtains a reduction in the high financial burdens, especially since the cost of the program exceeds billions of dollars, and may reach more than 10 billion with the completion of development and production.

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Expanding the industrial base is also a crucial factor, as Türkiye needs partners capable of supporting production and supply, which Egypt can provide with its industrial structure and growing engineering expertise. In addition, the geopolitical dimension plays a pivotal role, in light of the restructuring of regional alliances and the decline of traditional divisions, in contrast to the rise of the logic of flexible interests.

In this context, the question arises as to whether this cooperation is just an industrial partnership or the beginning of a broader alliance, especially with the expansion of cooperation in other fields such as energy, gas, maritime defense, and drones, which may pave the way for the formation of a new Egyptian-Turkish axis that redraws the region’s balances in the Mediterranean, North Africa, and the Red Sea.

On the other hand, this development raises questions within Israel, which relies on qualitative air superiority supported by F-35 fighters. The emergence of Egypt as part of an advanced stealth fighter project may mean, for the first time in decades, a decline in the idea of absolute air superiority. The new fighter provides advanced stealth capabilities, advanced electronic warfare, and an operational range that may exceed 2,000 kilometers, with the ability to work networked with drones, which reshapes the equation of air combat in the region.

This potential shift means, from an Israeli perspective, the loss of the unconditional superiority that was based on possessing the F-35 over regional opponents’ possession of less advanced aircraft such as the Rafale and F-16. Egypt's possession of significant numbers of these fighters by the end of the decade may give it the ability to carry out precise long-range strikes while reducing the chances of detection.

The most sensitive factor is the possibility of the formation of an Egyptian-Turkish axis, bringing together two major military forces in the Middle East, which may radically change the calculations of regional deterrence if cooperation expands to include broader intelligence or defense fields.

Although no clear official Israeli positions have been issued, some media outlets and specialized analysis centers are following this development with interest, noting that transferring this technology to an Arab country the size of Egypt may redefine the nature of future threats in the region.

This is not just a new arms deal, but rather a gradual restructuring of the concept of air power in the Middle East, as Egypt transforms from a consumer of weapons into a partner in their production, with implications for the balance of regional deterrence and the course of military competition in the region in the coming years, in light of a new reality in which air superiority may not remain as limited as it was before.
Some years ago they were not the best friends of the world... About Lybia for exemple.
Interesting to follow.
 
Israel, as expected, is already terrified of such an alliance.
They really don't like Pakistan as it has the nukes and a battle-hardered military and people who really will never tolerate israel or ever warm upto it.
The main big problem for israel is Iran. As for now there is no issue with pakistan.
Don't forget the Abraham agreements already made with some regional powers of the area.
 
Turket uber alles !!!

Classical @MMM-E verbiage.

France even removed EW Suite and A-50 VLS from FREMM Frigate which sold to Egypt

France never can give SAMP-T technology to Egypt or S.Arabia

France has consistently refused to grant India the core source codes and design technology for RAFALE Fighter Jet

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on the other hand , The Türkiye-Indonesia KAAN agreement includes provisions for significant technology transfer, joint production, and strategic engineering collaboration to help bolster Indonesia’s domestic defense capabilities.

Turkiye offering the same proposal about the KAAN Fighter Jet to S.Arabia , Egypt , Pakistan , Qatar etc
 
Apart from a few display models and toys, as well as drones assembled using Chinese and European components, Turkey did not showcase any advanced technology or equipment.Turkey is not more advanced than Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Your trashy post out of jealousy is proof of how stupid you are

Turkiye sold advanced Weapons, not toys, worth $10 billion dollars.

And Turkish UCAVs did not have any European or Chinese components

TB-3 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR UCAVs are full of Turkish technology from E/O System to Engine

AKINCI , ANKA-III and KIZILELMA are full of Turkish technology except Ukranian Engine ... and Turkiye has started developing its own Engines


and Your China lost first position to Turkiye in global UCAV export market
 
Your trashy post out of jealousy is proof of how stupid you are

Turkiye sold advanced Weapons, not toys, worth $10 billion dollars.

And Turkish UCAVs did not have any European or Chinese components

TB-3 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR UCAVs are full of Turkish technology from E/O System to Engine

AKINCI , ANKA-III and KIZILELMA are full of Turkish technology except Ukranian Engine ... and Turkiye has started developing its own Engines


and Your China lost first position to Turkiye in global UCAV export market
China DJI drones alone supply more than 75% of world market lol.

When did you export 10billion in sales? Just wondering not saying ur incorrect just show evidence.

China exported nearly 4000billion in 2025 is that more than 10billion?
 
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U trash talk south korea and they are at 6% while your 1.6%. Learn to be humble for once.
 
There is not a single Islamic country in the world that would be allowed to possess nuclear weapons. Pakistan is an extreme exception and an incredible mistake by the Western powers. That is extremely good luck for Pakistan. Fate has it that Pakistan would become a nuclear power.

Yes they (major western powers) will never let it happen. That being said, other nations outside the West will also complain and also arm themselves e.g. Japan.
Pakistan was in a perfect storm, and there was confusion, and we got very lucky.
 
  • Türkiye’s Arms Exports Surge 122% in 2021–2025, SIPRI Reports

the country's defense and aerospace industry achieved a record $10.05 billion in exports for the full year of 2025.

 

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